DOMESTIC vs IMPORT?

uh wtf the SL55 almost has a 100 hp difference on the Z06. Around like 125 lbs of torque difference. It's a Supercharged V8, DOHC, all that stuff.

You are right I was thinking of the M5 at the time. The Benz is 493HP and the vette is 405. For some reason I became dislexic and was thinking the benz was 394 like the M5.

And by the way, all AMG motors are handbuilt, and the sl55 list at 130, but u can only get one for about 15 to 20 grand over sticker

$180,000 was for the Porsche GT2

That mercedes is a beauty for sure, but I also have my chin to the floor with the Audi RS6.

Seeing both the Audi RS6 and BMW 760i in person really put me over the top.

Originally posted by tomlong
For $180,000 they better be!

And they sell every GT2 they make before it's built. There's a reason for that, it is worth it.

and the sl55 list at 130, but u can only get one for about 15 to 20 grand over sticker
Probably depends on the area, I'm pretty damn sure that price sticker said 180k when I was at the dealership. Could of been 160 though I dunno. Thats cool that they handbuild the motors, seems like it would be a pretty tough and reliable engine. Still though as nice as the car looks its factory built. Of course I could stop whining and always go up a good 200 grand and buy a Bentley lol :silly2:. Such expensive vehicles.

Originally posted by benroliver
all AMG motors are handbuilt


hahah... ok... and that makes it special why?

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
Which cars do you think are best for street racing. Imports (honda,vw,etc.) vs Domestics (chevy, pontiac,etc.) and I dont mean v8 firebirds, camaros and mustangs. I am talking about 4 cylinders and some v6s with aftermarket mods done to them. Like a civic vs a cavalier, or a integra vs a neon, or a focus vs a golf, or a cougar vs a eclipse, these are just some examples. I have just noticed that there are a lot more domestic cars on the street racing scene then ever before. It is no longer just import vs import. I just want to get different peoples views.

Keeping it simple

Cheap power and streetable = Domestic V8 always

Road racing = Small and light(preferrably high hp per lb)

I seriously don't see a point of these thread because its pointless, everyone has a different opinion. Alot of people just say an American car sucks because you have to replace parts more often, well either your bullshitting or you just don't drive them properly. My mums fiance had aF350, 87 model. Didn't replace one part from new till 2002(when he sold it to move to Australia from USA), replacing the normal wear parts is all he did. Battery, fan belts, tires etc etc

I love both "types" equal. I don't see how either one is superior to the other, Imports are expensive and a damn lot of money are needed for most aftermarket parts and for insurance. Domestics are cheaper in nearly everyway because they are a local car, all parts are available easily etc etc. All of the Skyline vs Corvette or Camaro shit is just like me comparing a local Holden V8 to an imported Camaro, pointless. Favouring sucks, paying no respect to the other countries car is a pig headed thing to do. I'd race anything if it had four wheels!

Everybody has their favs, but should't we all repect other cars for being cars. People say they hate Honda's, but drive cars that are ten times slower. Me, personally, I'm not a Honda guy, but I respect the fact that a person has the balls to even race it. Like NOS, I think it is a death trap, but if you got the knowlegde and the balls to use it, good for ya.

I can personally admit that I have gotten my ass whipped by cars I thought had less then 100Hp. All makes, Chevy, Dodge, Honda, Ford and Mazda.

So what I am trying to say is that you should respect other cars because they all have 4 wheels and an engine.

Originally posted by Lowryda
I seriously don't see a point of these thread because its pointless, everyone has a different opinion. Alot of people just say an American car sucks because you have to replace parts more often, well either your bullshitting or you just don't drive them properly. My mums fiance had aF350, 87 model. Didn't replace one part from new till 2002(when he sold it to move to Australia from USA), replacing the normal wear parts is all he did. Battery, fan belts, tires etc etc

I love both "types" equal. I don't see how either one is superior to the other, Imports are expensive and a damn lot of money are needed for most aftermarket parts and for insurance. Domestics are cheaper in nearly everyway because they are a local car, all parts are available easily etc etc. All of the Skyline vs Corvette or Camaro shit is just like me comparing a local Holden V8 to an imported Camaro, pointless. Favouring sucks, paying no respect to the other countries car is a pig headed thing to do. I'd race anything if it had four wheels!

Speaking of Holden... Let me tell ya, i went on conceptcarz.com check some proto's out, before the whole buildup of the new GTO, i hadn't even heard of Holden. They are some awsome vehicles! i dont know if this is a missprint, but some of the models can hit the 214 range, on a V8... ShIt! They are soooo sweet looking too. The only thing is, is that one of the GTO ads was a Pontiac warped version of the HSV GTO coupe which isn't what the new GTO will be based on... It will be based on the monaro, which in my opinion is the least appealing compared with any of the others. I love this company though, we gotta get more Aussie imports to the US!

Originally posted by Lowryda
I seriously don't see a point of these thread because its pointless, everyone has a different opinion. Alot of people just say an American car sucks because you have to replace parts more often, well either your bullshitting or you just don't drive them properly. My mums fiance had aF350, 87 model. Didn't replace one part from new till 2002(when he sold it to move to Australia from USA), replacing the normal wear parts is all he did. Battery, fan belts, tires etc etc

I love both "types" equal. I don't see how either one is superior to the other, Imports are expensive and a damn lot of money are needed for most aftermarket parts and for insurance. Domestics are cheaper in nearly everyway because they are a local car, all parts are available easily etc etc. All of the Skyline vs Corvette or Camaro shit is just like me comparing a local Holden V8 to an imported Camaro, pointless. Favouring sucks, paying no respect to the other countries car is a pig headed thing to do. I'd race anything if it had four wheels!



I agree with you.:)




Btw is that a superbird with a blower in your sig?

edit

changin it. no pistons for me!

Another reason that i would buy a domestic car rather than an import, is also because of safty. Most imports that a guy like me could afford these days are lightweight (which gives them their speed) and obviously smaller engines, sometimes even mid or rear engines. If you like to race, that would scare me a bit. I just prefer having a larger car, because i feel more protected especially while going fast, and also the fact that it's easier to get in and out. I realize some camaros and firebirds go against this rule, but they are an exception. Again, that's just my take on things though. I would still love to own a nice luxery acura like a 3.2 type S or something, but way outta my range.

Originally posted by pontiactrac
Another reason that i would buy a domestic car rather than an import, is also because of safty. Most imports that a guy like me could afford these days are lightweight (which gives them their speed) and obviously smaller engines, sometimes even mid or rear engines. If you like to race, that would scare me a bit. I just prefer having a larger car, because i feel more protected especially while going fast, and also the fact that it's easier to get in and out. I realize some camaros and firebirds go against this rule, but they are an exception. Again, that's just my take on things though. I would still love to own a nice luxery acura like a 3.2 type S or something, but way outta my range.

:rolleyes:

Safety, more in a domestic. Your kidding right?

I guess that is why the VW Jetta ranked higher than the Chevy Trailblazer in the goverment tests. Also weighing almost half as much and half the size. Weight and size have no bearing on a vehicles safety.

The new Mini is one of the safest cars on the road

Agreed. BMW was running a commercial along the lines of safety where they denoted the handling of the 5 series as its primary safety feature. A car that can avoid an incident is safer in the first place.

A better example can be found in comparing the last two cars that Dale Earnhardt raced; the Corvette C5-R and a Winston Cup Monte Carlo.

The Corvette is designed around a safety idea pioneered by Mercedes Benz (or at least popularized by Mercedes Benz) in the 1960's. This is called "deformable structure". Energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be absorbed or changed into a different form. In an impact, inertial energy (i.e. the momentum of a weighted object, like a car) is transferred to whatever objects may move and is absorbed by the crumpling of the car's structure. A Winston Cup car's heavy (nearly 4000lbs) steel tube chassis is designed to crumple as little as possible in an impact. While this is good for the 1/2mile at Bristol, on a 2.5mile superspeedway it has an adverse effect. What happens is all that inertia get transferred to the one object that still moves; the driver. The decelerative force actually is enough to slam the brain in the braincase, and cause lethal damage.

Now, in a deformable structure automobile, that energy is absorbed by the areas around the driver, which crumple, twist, and blow apart to dissipate as impact occurs. Recall the condition of Earnhardt's stock car after his lethal crash. It actually was rolled onto the flatbed. For all intents and purposes, the car was mostly intact. But the amount of force dissipated by Dale's body was enough to damage the brain and sever the spinal cord at the base of the neck. This also has happened to Adam Petty, Tony Roper, and Kenny Irwin Jr.

If Dale Earnhardt had that same crash in the C5-R he'd shared with his son at the 24hrs of Daytona one week previous, the car would have been a total writeoff with little salvageable. But Dale Earnhardt would have been able to step out of the car and thank modern technology, developed by foreign engineers, for saving his life.



If you can't tell, I've been a proponent of safer automotive design in American motorsport for quite some time and consider NA$CAR to be the greatest offender in crimes against driver safety. Kenny Irwin Jr. was a dear friend to my family and the open wheel community I've grown up in. We miss him a lot.

Originally posted by TDIguy


:rolleyes:

Safety, more in a domestic. Your kidding right?

I guess that is why the VW Jetta ranked higher than the Chevy Trailblazer in the goverment tests. Also weighing almost half as much and half the size. Weight and size have no bearing on a vehicles safety.

The new Mini is one of the safest cars on the road

when are people going to realize that import is a word that usually infers asian imports. Yea, european cars are imports, but we would refer to them as such, and everone else on this site were talking about asian imports vs domestics (the reason is Asian imports are alot diff from euro imports, euros are more similar to American cars.). --- OH, weight and size have no bearings on safty, crash into another car with an 18 wheeler and a civic, i ask you this question... Which one will you most likely live through, you better believe weight and mass have alot to do with it. Yea, you know why it ranked better, cause it's probably a stronger frame, many more safty features too (something u won't find in integras and civics) and it's German made, which is the the safest in the world. It may also be lighter than an SUV which i find to be obvious, but im sure a civic is made with a more lightweight material and chassy.

Originally posted by pontiactrac


OH, weight and size have no bearings on safty, crash into another car with an 18 wheeler and a civic, i ask you this question... Which one will you most likely live through, you better believe weight and mass have alot to do with it

That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have read today. When did the goverment start smacking civics into rigs? It was the 30mph impact. Also I dont care what kind of domestic you are driving, whether it be a cavalier ir Silverado. If you go head on into an 18 wheeler, your done.

If you are going to come in here and discuss, please bring something productive

Originally posted by TDIguy


That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have read today. When did the goverment start smacking civics into rigs? It was the 30mph impact. Also I dont care what kind of domestic you are driving, whether it be a cavalier ir Silverado. If you go head on into an 18 wheeler, your done.

If you are going to come in here and discuss, please bring something productive

Alright, you have to realize before getting all offended, you came on this website for a discussion, if you arn't mature enough to take a reply without getting offended by nothing offensively stated, u have to learn how soon. U missread what i said too, if you were driving a 18 wheeler, not crashing into an 18 wheeler. the gov didn't all of a sudden smack down on civics, im just saying that common sense tells u that a small civic wouldn't hold up as well in a crash as a larger vehicle, im not bustin on civics, just my take on it.

You can just look at a Trailblazer and tell its not safe, but do you realize you just compared two different types of vehicles? I wouldn't put a bet on it that those Toyota Rav4s and 4Runners are any safer then a Trailblazer.

i'd like to point out that any car smaller than a volvo S40 is not safe for the plain fact that its too small to survive a crash with a car of larger size

Pickups and SUV's all have shit safety ratings its already been proven by government tests and the safest one out of the pickups on the market was a toyota.


Safety isn't your car its more how you drive and how others drive and act around you.


no matter how safe your car its not going to withstand an 18 wheeler crashing into it.

Originally posted by pontiactrac

im just saying that common sense tells u that a small civic wouldn't hold up as well in a crash as a larger vehicle, im not bustin on civics, just my take on it.


A smaller vehicle will hold up aswell as a larger. IE BMW's new Mini vs Grandam or Taurus. Which driver would have a better chance of walking away? The Mini driver.

My point being, not many people would walk away form an 18 wheeler impact, which makes your example a poor one. I have seen Volvos head on into much larger vehicles, and the person in the volvo survived. Fact is, European cars for the most part are the safest automobiles on the road. I would trust an Audi A6 over any Suburban, Escalade, Navigator, or Excursion. The Audi happens to half the size and weight, also safer.


i'd like to point out that any car smaller than a volvo S40 is not safe for the plain fact that its too small to survive a crash with a car of larger size

That is wrong, read above. The beetle has a higher impact rating than the Oldsmobile Intrigue.

the safest one out of the pickups on the market was a toyota.

I agree with that


Safety isn't your car its more how you drive and how others drive and act around you.

True but that wont stop the other vehicle from hitting you


no matter how safe your car its not going to withstand an 18 wheeler crashing into it.

That was my point

lets all go out an find out for our selves shall we? :D j/k

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TDIguy


My point being, not many people would walk away form an 18 wheeler impact, which makes your example a poor one. I have seen Volvos head on into much larger vehicles, and the person in the volvo survived. Fact is, European cars for the most part are the safest automobiles on the road. I would trust an Audi A6 over any Suburban, Escalade, Navigator, or Excursion. The Audi happens to half the size and weight, also safer.

- Again, for the 2nd time, you missread my reply. u said size and weight have NOTHING to do with ur chances of living through a crash. And my rebuttle was, if that is true, what would u be more likely to live through, WHILE DRIVING... (civic vs. 18wheeler) Obviously this is an exaggerated statement just to prove the point that size and weight obviously mean more than u stated. But enough about that analogy... The reason why many of u are bringing up that (the obviously large) SUV's have bad safty rating has alot to do with the fact that being so high off the ground, that they tend to tip over alot in an accident. That would be a serious blow to their safty ratings.

Also, i love imports, i would take one in a second because they are awsome performers while still getting great gas mileage. But part of that performance means sacrificing heavy/sturdy parts to lighten the ride load. I realize you all are telling me audi's, passats, mini's with great safty ratings, but who drives these cars competitivly? They aren't performance cars, like honda's and other asian imports. and if you arn't driving a performance car, chances are, u arn't driving fast... Therfore, what do you have to worry about an accident for? And these cars, not being performers, can put all their effort into safty to appease the family consumer. So who really cares about a mini then. Now if i am racing in a RSX type s or a mustang, im probably tearing up the road and that makes safty that much more important.

This is a joke right first doler for dolr nothing touches the vper and zo6 now s/c r turbioo any of out top caar and for the 1,000.000 gt1 11.1 hell my Ws6 can run dor to door with it now... and handling.. Gee Ac cobra in the 60 did 1.2 g's.. the zo6 and viper 11.02/ 1.04 stock.. and many heavy muscle car can not only beat and out top end .. i knew you get their pepele forgerLPE 26 mph 0-60 in 2 second and he used a used vette so 30 +45 is 75 for a car that can demolish any Import on the planent for a fraction of the imports cost


DOMESTICS RULE

Imports are reamers.. also ineriors are far and away caught up to the best imports.. but really who care if its 20 % lessattrative interior give me leather power everything comfortable supportive(laterally seats) and nice carpeting and dash layout ad i'm happy

Originally posted by pontiactrac
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TDIguy
[B]
I realize you all are telling me audi's, passats, mini's with great safty ratings, but who drives these cars competitivly? They aren't performance cars, like honda's and other asian imports. and if you arn't driving a performance car, chances are, u arn't driving fast... Therfore, what do you have to worry about an accident for?



Please tell me you are kidding. How can you rate Honda as a performance car and not Audi, Vw, or even Mini. Do you watch WRC or touring racing. Have you ever heard of the S or RS Audis. Gti, R32, Mini S. Have you ever heard of the Autobahn. These vehicles are daily drivers at over 100-120mph cruising. In my opinion Euro cars are better performers. The have both safety, technology, and power.

Originally posted by TDIguy



Please tell me you are kidding. How can you rate Honda as a performance car and not Audi, Vw, or even Mini. Do you watch WRC or touring racing. Have you ever heard of the S or RS Audis. Gti, R32, Mini S. Have you ever heard of the Autobahn. These vehicles are daily drivers at over 100-120mph cruising. In my opinion Euro cars are better performers. The have both safety, technology, and power.

MINI(1/4 mile in 16.6 seconds, cooper s is 15.9), volkswagon...- actually please tell me U are kidding, reguardless of what they could or in some cases can't do, they arn't percieved as performance cars, and there is some Audis with twin turbos and v8's that don't even make impressive numbers... If you want to make the case about the euros, at least use porshe, ferrari or maybe BMW's(even though bemers are luxery in alot of standards.) and obviously u don't know what some hondas and acuras are capable of. That is just something you have to learn for yourself i guess. You've heard of RSX T.S, INTEGRA GSR, Prelude, S2000, right? Yea, i do consider alot of hondas performance cars and can be bought pretty cheap too, especially their mod capability. Im in no way denying that Euro cars are great performance wise, but were talking about the affordables. i can't doe out any on a porshe, ferrari, or a Autobahn whatever that is. And even if i could, how much safer are they than any other performance car around here. (were not talking about the luxery ones like merciedes) performance im talking about. but then again, that's just my take on things. i was talking about Asian imports vs domestics anyways, they are easier/popular to buy and more in stock. Euro cars weren't supposed to enter the comparison.

Originally posted by pontiactrac


MINI, volkswagon-ha, now please tell me U are kidding... If you want to make the case, at least use porshe or maybe BMW's(even though bemers are luxery in alot of standards.) and obviously u don't know what some hondas and acuras are capable of. That is just something you have to learn for yourself i guess. You've heard of RSX T.S, INTEGRA GSR, Prelude, S2000, right? should i mention the NSX? Yea, i do consider alot of hondas performance cars, especially their mod capability. Im in no way denying that Euro cars are great performance wise, but were talking about the affordables. i can't doe out any on a porshe, ferrari, or a Autobahn whatever that is. And even if i could, how much safer are they than any other performance car around here. (were not talking about the luxery ones like merciedes) performance im talking about. and again, i was talking about Asian imports vs domestics anyways, they are easier/popular to buy and more in stock. Euro cars weren't supposed to enter the comparison.


FYI, Cooper S is on par with the ITR in handling and straight line.
The Autobahn is a hwy :rolleyes:
I never said there was no japanese performers. You show me one Japanese import that can be bought for $18000USD, keeping full interior and only $500 in mods do a high 13 low 14 1/4 like a GTI 1.8T. I am completely aware of what japanese imports are capable of. Also VW's are great performers. Bone stock GTI's do 1/4 in 14.8-15.1 with full interior 0 weight reductions, right out of the factory. Japanese cars are fantastic. I happen to know plenty of people who own RSX S, they require quite a few mods to hit 13's, where euros dont. IE VW, needs very little to go fast

Originally posted by TDIguy



FYI, Cooper S is on par with the ITR in handling and straight line.
The Autobahn is a hwy :rolleyes:
I never said there was no japanese performers. You show me one Japanese import that can be bought for $18000USD, keeping full interior and only $500 in mods do a high 13 low 14 1/4 like a GTI 1.8T. I am completely aware of what japanese imports are capable of. Also VW's are great performers. Bone stock GTI's do 1/4 in 14.8-15.1 with full interior 0 weight reductions, right out of the factory. Japanese cars are fantastic. I happen to know plenty of people who own RSX S, they require quite a few mods to hit 13's, where euros dont. IE VW, needs very little to go fast

all right, i have to agree with most of this... it's just that the whole point i was making earlier (domestic vs import) was that on the import performance cars, they are so light to make them fast that it takes away from their sturdy structure that keeps the passengers on the safest level. With a domestic car, alot of them are heavier, which can be a handicap, but when safty comes in to play, they have a hardier steel frame as protection. And i find it really hard to believe that a BONE stock GTI can do 14.8, not that one source is the end all be all, but i am reading here on a road summery test by road and track, they have a GTI doing 15.3 on a manual. Hey, if it could do 14.8 i give it props, but i think that's a bit out of reach for that car.

A banzai clutch drop rewards you with 10 easy feet of wheelspin, followed by a nice Pomeranian's bark at the upshift. Sixty mph is in your face at 7.0 seconds—one second quicker than a Civic Si. The quarter-mile is history in 15.5 seconds at 90 mph—0.2 second and 4 mph behind a VW GTI 1.8T. The 128-mph top speed is seven shy of a Ford SVT Focus's.
What the Mini does best is devour corners, thanks in part to its 3-series-style multilink rear suspension and spring rates that must be close to a Ferrari F40's. On even the wildest kinks and whirligigs, there is simply no perceptible roll, dive, or squat. The car hangs on beyond what its grip of 0.85 g suggests. By the time you get the tires howling, your passenger will be dialing 9-1-1. Eventually, the Mini understeers, but on dry, public roads, you'll have a deuce of a time inducing it.



http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/2002/july/200207_roadtest_mini.xml?&page=2


2002 Volkswagen GTI 1.8T 6.60 0-60
Acura RSX 7.0 0-60

http://www.car-videos.com/performance/speed.asp?Speed1=0&Speed2=60


Might I add the GTI weighs alot more and also more standard features

Originally posted by TDIguy


http://www.car-videos.com/performance/speed.asp?Speed1=0&Speed2=60


Might I add the GTI weighs alot more and also more standard features

Ok, i don't really know how credible the performance statistics web page (the 2nd one) is since it listed the GTI as doing the 1/4 mile in "17.58 s @ 80.01 mph." Iv'e been on that one before and im not sure how legit. it is, it's got some outragous times on the cars that ive noticed before. it seems like a teenager put it together, but nontheless.

Brad 's 2001 Jetta 13.823 @ 101.2 mph 1.94 AWW
K03
GIAC



3000lb jetta 1.8T with just chip and good driver. Thats $500 in mods.

http://www.18turbo.com/18t-quartermile.html

Originally posted by TDIguy


3000lb jetta 1.8T with just chip and good driver. Thats $500 in mods.

http://www.18turbo.com/18t-quartermile.html

yea, but it doesn't do 14's stock, at least not according to the other site

Ian Case 's 2002 GTi 14.441 @ 97.41 mph 2.25 AWP
K03
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BONE stock #57

Originally posted by TDIguy



BONE stock #57

ok, that's good, i aint gona lie. just hard to believe for a volkswagon golf

Why is it so hard to believe that a Volkswagen can perform? They have been amazing performers since the intro of the Rabbit GTi. Lets not forget G40-60, Synchro, Ralley, GTX, GLI, Twin engine Scirroco, 16v GTi, VR6. They have been performers for years. And that is hard to believe?

Originally posted by TDIguy
Why is it so hard to believe that a Volkswagen can perform? They have been amazing performers since the intro of the Rabbit GTi. Lets not forget G40-60, Synchro, Ralley, GTX, GLI, Twin engine Scirroco, 16v GTi, VR6. They have been performers for years. And that is hard to believe?

Whoa, chill... im giving u a compliment. I don't watch rally racing stuff, im more of a drag/street racing fan.

I am not getting mad. Just giving some examples of past performers.;)

Dont forget the Super Beetle!


It was good for its time of small cars..... wasnt it?

I'm just throwing out names... hahah :D

In the end, our little Volkswagens--one looked upon as a relic, a scrapper looking for leftovers from the "real" competition and the other one as a "ringer," a purpose-built racecar with no street applications--took a couple of the cars to the cleaners. Overall, the 1969 Beetle beat just about everyone, humbling the doubters and overcoming the slow-VW stereotypes, and the mostly-stock 1971 Super Beetle gave the remaining challengers a run for their money, handily beating a slightly modified 2002 Subaru WRX and outlasting the Toyota Supra (who overheated its power steering and dnfed for the day). The performance of our Volkswagens surprised most all of the people there, so maybe next year they won't laugh quite as hard when VW Trends comes to compete.



http://www.vwtrendsweb.com/features/0112vwt_gforce/

Those old Beetles were handlers. Slight mods and they were monsters. I personally dont like them though.

my fav is the all wheel drive passat, dash board is so hot on that thing

I wish i knew more, really im just a young ignorant child coming here to learn and chat with all you cool guys.. you know coolness buy assocition.. haha, i wasnt being sarcastic really..but i like VW's personally cant wait to get one..really looking for a jetta

I think this is the right place to ask this question. Why is it that V8 line up against 4banger and brag about winning? I think it is kinda funny if you ask me...since most of the time the V8 doesnt win by much. I have just never heard anyone say anything about how much smaller a 4banger engine is to a V8. Sure it cost more money to fix the 4banger to get close to the v8 but you gotta give them props for making it a close match. Just my .02 worth...done mean to start any arguments...I like both and would drive either...just dont know how or why they are always put against eachother.

Originally posted by Pimpin Yoda
I think this is the right place to ask this question. Why is it that V8 line up against 4banger and brag about winning? I think it is kinda funny if you ask me...since most of the time the V8 doesnt win by much. I have just never heard anyone say anything about how much smaller a 4banger engine is to a V8. Sure it cost more money to fix the 4banger to get close to the v8 but you gotta give them props for making it a close match. Just my .02 worth...done mean to start any arguments...I like both and would drive either...just dont know how or why they are always put against eachother.

That sure as hell came out of the blue. Definitely the WRONG place to ask this. So let's drop it where it is:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Pimpin Yoda
I think this is the right place to ask this question. Why is it that V8 line up against 4banger and brag about winning? I think it is kinda funny if you ask me...since most of the time the V8 doesnt win by much. I have just never heard anyone say anything about how much smaller a 4banger engine is to a V8. Sure it cost more money to fix the 4banger to get close to the v8 but you gotta give them props for making it a close match. Just my .02 worth...done mean to start any arguments...I like both and would drive either...just dont know how or why they are always put against eachother.

Agreed with self, plus i and many others would tear that arguement apart so don't even bother ;)

import=good for some ppl
domestic=good for some ppl

all preference...end of story. :D

I hav'nt read the whole thread but I'll post my opinion...

Domestics are good, and so are imports. But when teh domestic guys refer to imports , all they talk about are civics with fart cans which are'nt exacly the only import. They're forgetting the supras that are cabable of quad digit hp numbers and single digit timeslips :cool:

I'm an import fan, but it does'nt mean I hate domestics, they're just DIFFERENT from what I like. I like small, light cars than can pull about 1.0 G and outhandle big-dollar sports cars. I ALSO like early mustangs which are waytoo fast for their price, and the older camaros. The new neon srt-4 is a car I would gladley trade my GSR for ;) .

Botme line is, domestics don't suck and niether do imports. The're just different. People are different as well (no shit!), and tehy like diferent types of cars.

OK, I'm babling too much, I'll stop now :D

Originally posted by integra818
I hav'nt read the whole thread but I'll post my opinion...

Domestics are good, and so are imports. But when teh domestic guys refer to imports , all they talk about are civics with fart cans which are'nt exacly the only import. They're forgetting the supras that are cabable of quad digit hp numbers and single digit timeslips :cool:

I'm an import fan, but it does'nt mean I hate domestics, they're just DIFFERENT from what I like. I like small, light cars than can pull about 1.0 G and outhandle big-dollar sports cars. I ALSO like early mustangs which are waytoo fast for their price, and the older camaros. The new neon srt-4 is a car I would gladley trade my GSR for ;) .

Botme line is, domestics don't suck and niether do imports. The're just different. People are different as well (no shit!), and tehy like diferent types of cars.

OK, I'm babling too much, I'll stop now :D

Perfect words... I am a big fan of lotuses by the way, it's just a shame they dont' market the elise in the states, i would pick that up in an instant, one of my favs of all time.

Originally posted by pontiactrac

The reason why many of u are bringing up that (the obviously large) SUV's have bad safty rating has alot to do with the fact that being so high off the ground, that they tend to tip over alot in an accident. That would be a serious blow to their safty ratings.
Full-size SUV's usually have very stiff frames for supporting all that weight. Unfortunately, stiff frames make for very high load transfer to the occupants in a collision, hence - poor crash survivability (real-life and test results)...

Originally posted by pontiactrac
They [european cars] aren't performance cars, like honda's and other asian imports.
That is probably one f the most ignorant statements ever posted on an AF forum. My Jetta GLI posted a 14.8 second run in the quarter-mile bone-stock. Is that fast enough for you? How many Honda or Toyota ECONOMY CARS do that?
Please, tell me your kidding...

Originally posted by pontiactrac
if you arn't driving a performance car, chances are, u arn't driving fast... Therfore, what do you have to worry about an accident for? And these cars, not being performers, can put all their effort into safty to appease the family consumer. So who really cares about a mini then. Now if i am racing in a RSX type s or a mustang, im probably tearing up the road and that makes safty that much more important.
I was wrong... This is even more ignorant. You don't have to be "tearing up the road" to be concerned about safety, a 30 mph impact decelerates your body at 9.2g's! I would MUCH rather take a hit in my 201hp Jetta than in my Camaro, even with it's roll cage, 6-point harnesses, and fire suppression system. And I'll take a Mini Cooper S over any RSX or Civic...

Originally posted by Murco

I was wrong... This is even more ignorant. You don't have to be "tearing up the road" to be concerned about safety, a 30 mph impact decelerates your body at 9.2g's! I would MUCH rather take a hit in my 201hp Jetta than in my Camaro, even with it's roll cage, 6-point harnesses, and fire suppression system. And I'll take a Mini Cooper S over any RSX or Civic...

DUUUDE... where have you been??? That conversation about the volkswagon is ancient history, did you bother to look at my reply that said i was impressed. Keep up with the flow of the conversation or don't even bother posting. We already established the point that the Volkswagon's 1/4 was better than expected, instead of calling it ignorant, keep up with the present topic.

European cars OWNJOO :ylsuper

Originally posted by RACER D12
European cars OWNJOO :ylsuper

im glad you are content with your own conclusion... but it isn't the only one :D

French and Italian (other than ferrari and lamborghini) suck


its fact the cars are just crap :o

Originally posted by Spyk
This is a joke right first doler for dolr nothing touches the vper and zo6 now s/c r turbioo any of out top caar and for the 1,000.000 gt1 11.1 hell my Ws6 can run dor to door with it now... and handling.. Gee Ac cobra in the 60 did 1.2 g's.. the zo6 and viper 11.02/ 1.04 stock.. and many heavy muscle car can not only beat and out top end .. i knew you get their pepele forgerLPE 26 mph 0-60 in 2 second and he used a used vette so 30 +45 is 75 for a car that can demolish any Import on the planent for a fraction of the imports cost


DOMESTICS RULE

Imports are reamers.. also ineriors are far and away caught up to the best imports.. but really who care if its 20 % lessattrative interior give me leather power everything comfortable supportive(laterally seats) and nice carpeting and dash layout ad i'm happy

1. WTF?!?!? That wasn't very coherent, but I managed to make sense out of some of it.

2. A Viper costs nearly $80,000. Dollar for dollar you can make a car kill a Viper for that price in the 1/4 mile. Now I am a Mopar enthusiast, and I love the Viper, but it isn't the best deal on the market and neither is the Z06.

3. Just because you get high numbers on the skidpad doesn't mean that you automatically handle better than a car with lower numbers on the skid pad.

4. Your post is a flame and is trying to start shit. Stop! We are trying to keep this civil and we don't need people making asinine comments like this.

As for my own opinion about this. I like and dislike individual cars. I don't car where they are made and I don't care who made them. It is different for ever car for me.

Oh and Cbass. My friend’s Porsche was trashed. He treated it like crap; I was just using it as an example to give you a hard time. I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did given the way he drove it. I once raced him in the GTC, I blew his doors off. :)

Originally posted by Polygon


1. WTF?!?!? That wasn't very coherent, but I managed to make sense out of some of it.

2. A Viper costs nearly $80,000. Dollar for dollar you can make a car kill a Viper for that price in the 1/4 mile. Now I am a Mopar enthusiast, and I love the Viper, but it isn't the best deal on the market and neither is the Z06.

3. Just because you get high numbers on the skidpad doesn't mean that you automatically handle better than a car with lower numbers on the skid pad.

4. Your post is a flame and is trying to start shit. Stop! We are trying to keep this civil and we don't need people making asinine comments like this.

As for my own opinion about this. I like and dislike individual cars. I don't car where they are made and I don't care who made them. It is different for ever car for me.

Oh and Cbass. My friend’s Porsche was trashed. He treated it like crap; I was just using it as an example to give you a hard time. I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did given the way he drove it. I once raced him in the GTC, I blew his doors off. :)

Actually he did stop, that was written almost 3 pages ago. although that's a good thing since i disagree with him completely.

Funny i ran a 15.03 in my Sentra spec V bone stock on a cool florida night.. as far as someones admitin that his 14.8 Jetta ONCE ran that time mean nothing its consistency and the bottom line fact is tq to weight ratio favors the Sentra.. "eco box" as he would put it.. praytell why a Jetta and not the much more engineered Passat?????

VW arn't that fast there are rare occasion.. where one is faster than the rest.. as far as his statement he'd rather be in the Jetta than his Camaro.. perhaps if the Camaro Had 'AIRBAGS" ..

Bottom line we all have a preferences.. and in real world situation impact occur all all different angles thus decelaration forces can occur at odd angles making the best laid plans of engineers mute

what has happened in the last 15years is engineers are making cars right at the limit they are needed because theey have CAD and other programs to identify the limits needed.. in the furher past cars wer made as stong as they could because they engineers didn't know the limits they needed.


When it comes to performace America hands down.. doller per doller NO one can touch the American V8

Funny how ( and i won't use my Ws6) a trans am of 01-02 breeding with pushrod and live axle .. could nail 66mph in a 600ft* slalom a .89 g and still run stock low low 13's all day with more than a adequate interior.. for mid 20's
and i've owned and like the imports both European and Japanes..
But unlike my patrioc friend i don't support the old Axis powers economy
FERRARI I WOULD BUY ALONG WITH A SKYLINE... BUT AS YOU CAN TELL FROM MY SIG my blood belongs here in the USA

When it comes to performace America hands down.. doller per doller NO one can touch the American V8

but dollar for dollar, can an american v8 car touch the quality and workmanship of a german engineered car, or japanese high end car, for that matter?

cheap plastic abound in the US cars. all over. sorry.

if the quality and workmanship of an american car with a v8 was as high as some german cars and japanese cars, the price tags would be considerably higher.

some of us buy our cars for all around nice ness, as opposed to some super high end car that's poorly built.

one question...

what does america have to match the amg and M line of cars? nothing.

and consider another issue...

bmw's m3 is compared to the corvette often.

the m3 is simply part of the 3 series line, competing with a purpose built sports car. i'll take engineering excellence any day.

Originally posted by Spyk
Funny i ran a 15.03 in my Sentra spec V bone stock on a cool florida night.. as far as someones admitin that his 14.8 Jetta ONCE ran that time mean nothing its consistency and the bottom line fact is tq to weight ratio favors the Sentra.. "eco box" as he would put it.. praytell why a Jetta and not the much more engineered Passat?????

VW arn't that fast there are rare occasion.. where one is faster than the rest.. as far as his statement he'd rather be in the Jetta than his Camaro.. perhaps if the Camaro Had 'AIRBAGS" ..

Bottom line we all have a preferences.. and in real world situation impact occur all all different angles thus decelaration forces can occur at odd angles making the best laid plans of engineers mute

what has happened in the last 15years is engineers are making cars right at the limit they are needed because theey have CAD and other programs to identify the limits needed.. in the furher past cars wer made as stong as they could because they engineers didn't know the limits they needed.


When it comes to performace America hands down.. doller per doller NO one can touch the American V8

Funny how ( and i won't use my Ws6) a trans am of 01-02 breeding with pushrod and live axle .. could nail 66mph in a 600ft* slalom a .89 g and still run stock low low 13's all day with more than a adequate interior.. for mid 20's
and i've owned and like the imports both European and Japanes..
But unlike my patrioc friend i don't support the old Axis powers economy
FERRARI I WOULD BUY ALONG WITH A SKYLINE... BUT AS YOU CAN TELL FROM MY SIG my blood belongs here in the USA

Sorry guys, i do have to agree with him somewhat, maybe it is my patriotic side, but the part i agree with is that i wouldn't buy german products because of there past and hypocritical present. Look at what they did to the world back then, and now they pretend that we carry the same evil that they portrayed in WWII on our liberation of Iraq. That is not the case, and is a very hypocritical believe to make others around the world try to forget about what they did. I won't put up with that and will never buy a German product, or a French product considering they have forgotten how we liberated their country and now they dont even believe the same could happen in Iraq. I know this is off topic, but i saw something in his post i can respect and relate to so i had to give my opinion. I would have no problem buying a Asian, English, Australian or many others, but if a country cant learn to support our brave troops who are fighting for the world's safty, i can't support their country by buying their goods. I wouldn't go a far as saying i will never buy from a company away from American made, but i will never support countries that forgot about september 11, and what we went through and the reason for our "not taking any chances attitude." I salute our troops. Again, sorry if this reply came as a hiatus in the flow of the topic.

i'm not looking for some sort of military support.

i'm looking at cars. everyone here is. i understand your viewpoint, but that's what the off topic forum is for.

if you don't like certain imported cars b/c of their countries political views and problems, that's cool...

that's why this is AUTOMOTIVEforums.

we're talking about cars, not politics.

Originally posted by flylwsi
i'm not looking for some sort of military support.

i'm looking at cars. everyone here is. i understand your viewpoint, but that's what the off topic forum is for.

if you don't like certain imported cars b/c of their countries political views and problems, that's cool...

that's why this is AUTOMOTIVEforums.

we're talking about cars, not politics.

instead of telling me it doesn't belong even though i already apoligized for that, you could have continued with the Domestic vs Import topic, if you had left it alone and just continued with the topic, nobody would have been bothered by it. And sorry for not know that there was an off topic thread, i haven't been here all that long.