The Next Comp?

Yeah okay, probably way to early to be discussing this, but what the hell. We're still counting down to the eighties comp in July but what's next after that?

For me there is one option - Open wheel race cars! This will pricipally mean Formula One but also include CART, short track sprint cars, top fuel dragsters (or whatever they're called in your part of the world), anything with the wheels hangin' out there uncovered.

Or would we rather go with another decade - a prettier one. :) Or return to Le Mans? Rally cars are out thanks to Zeljko's competition (running this month BTW, so get your entries in!), but anything else is worth considering. How about only yellow or orange liveried cars? Or maybe we could even skip the theme this time and have anything goes.

How about only yellow or orange liveried cars?

I like that, including the two colours mentioned! (Jagermeister frenzy! :D)

I really like the idea of open wheel. The specified lively option such as red or orange could mean you end up with nothing but Ferrari’s or Jagermeister models. Not that this would be totally bad, I mean there are a few Jagermeister models to build, but with open wheel you really have a wider selection, and from all periods.

Or you could say on open wheel model from say 1970 – 2000, giving a 30 year span of open wheel racing. As many kits have a whole world of aftermarket, plus some very nice mutli media kits, the pros can go to town, whereas the rest of us mere mortals can at least have a go with a Tamiya kit or something.

Would open wheel include bikes though? Technically, they are kinda of open wheel. LOL

Actually with orange I was thinking of early (and late) McLarens. :)

If the theme was called "open wheel race cars" that would exclude bikes, but maybe something can be arranged. :D

I like that, including the two colours mentioned! (Jagermeister frenzy! :D)

WOW I just love that: not for the kind color , it could be blue (:naughty:) but I love the artistic approach: my vote is casted,

YELLOW,ORANGE&GREEN

so it would include a lot of Lambos, it's from ages I wand make me one :)

Is there really so much choice and so much to be excited about when it comes to racing Lamborghinis?

how about forbiden liveries like tobbaco ones or let's say Martini cars, or Red Bull cars?
Allthou colour and open wheelers sonds good to.

Is there really so much choice and so much to be excited about when it comes to racing Lamborghinis?

You're right: 1 second after post I'm wondering why Phil posted that in the wrong subforum :grinyes::grinyes::grinyes:

how about forbiden liveries like tobbaco ones or let's say Martini cars, or Red Bull cars?
Allthou colour and open wheelers sonds good to.

Good idea Sasa so I'll have a chance to finish until the deadline my Lancia :grinyes::grinyes:

Drinking and smoking! I like it! :) Guess we'd have to include swastikas in "forbiden liveries" too. :lol:

Not a bad idea with the tobacco and alcoholic sponsorships. I like that, could be –

Open wheel from the past 30 years, and needs Tobacco or alcohol sponsorship, and must be either –

Red
Orange
Yellow
Black
Blue

So, Ferrari with Marlboro decals, or a lotus with JPS, or an F1 car with Red Bull all over it… That would make a cool contest actually, sadly does mean you’d have to buy a kit, and then trawl all over trying to find decals etc for it.

I think we just need to pick one theme rather than multiple restrictions. Participation is the name of the game. If we went with F1 (or open wheelers) it would be cool to have as many different eras as possible represented, remembering in the 50s and most of the 60s there was no sponsorship.

Well I need to try searching by Google some Jack Daniel F1:grinyes:

A bit more fun:
- Red, Yellow or Black
- only tobacco/alcholic sponsor
- only fantasy liveryes

so you'll see finally the fiat 500 abarth Coaila

or better the brown 575GTC Moods vanilla kind:licka:

hey guys this could be fun: full freedom, full creativity, full motivation to marvel

- only fantasy liveryes

Ooooh! :grinyes:

- only fantasy liveryes
Ooooh! :grinyes:
Nooooooooooo! :grinno:

I agree with RallyRaider- participation is the most important thing.

Personally, I like the idea of having a (insert theme here) Motorsport Build/Meet instead of calling it a 'contest'. The difference may just be semantics- I do like the idea of having judging and prizes- but I know people who aren't building because they believe they wouldn't be competitive. It would be nice for people not to drop out because of the "I won't win, so what's the point" mindset. Honestly, this is part of why I started my 635 so late. We have alot of serious talent here, and experinced builders showing off fabulous builds early on in the contest idealy shouldn't discourage less experinced people from participating.

As for a theme, I really like the continuation of the decade themed build- but if we do anything other than '70s or '90s, we risk a serious lack of participation. I've got something cool picked out for the '70s!

Doing it by color seems a bit contrived to me- especially because competition cars frequently have such intricate and multicolored schemes. It seems inevitable that we'd have to resort to 'how little of a color can I get away with' discussions.

I do like the 'cigarettes and alcohol' idea, though.

I suspect we're going to have another poll to decide everything, after we have three or for popular ideas?

And by the way, should this thread maybe be in the general discussion area?


'Racing Lamborghini's'!! :rofl::lol::lol2::rofl::screwy:

Tobacco and Alcohol-Theme sounds great. I don´t know about the "Open-Wheel-Theme", though. To me it seems to restricitve.

Personally, I don´t really see me building some sort of openwheeler! How about we skip "open" or "closed" wheels and call for "alcohol and Tobacco", however the cars are constructed in the first place!

Would include bikes very easily!

I kind of have the idea of fantasy race cars. Something that didnt ever race, but you'd like to see it. Like a Mini in Le Mans. I've got a few race cars I'd like to build, but not the same as all the other cars, something different.

You dont have to go as extreme as a Mini, it could be your version of a Le Mans 360. Even Trans Am racing muscle cars.

That idea really allows the mind to get creative, and you wouldnt be held to strict building instructions.

My two cents.

I kind of have the idea of fantasy race cars. Something that didnt ever race, but you'd like to see it. Like a Mini in Le Mans. I've got a few race cars I'd like to build, but not the same as all the other cars, something different.

You dont have to go as extreme as a Mini, it could be your version of a Le Mans 360. Even Trans Am racing muscle cars.

That idea really allows the mind to get creative, and you wouldnt be held to strict building instructions.

My two cents.

I agree, I was going to suggest, something along the lines of an almost futuristic race car. Maybe creating something like a concept race car. Something that can really get everyones imagination to flow.
Chris

I also like the phantom race car idea.
However the the tobacco/alcohol sponsoring idea comes close, too.
Just like godfather23 I don't see myself building open wheelers soon, but who knows...

Just to put fuel on the fire:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/jack.jpg


I kind of have the idea of fantasy race cars. Something that didnt ever race, but you'd like to see it. Like a Mini in Le Mans. I've got a few race cars I'd like to build, but not the same as all the other cars, something different.

You dont have to go as extreme as a Mini, it could be your version of a Le Mans 360. Even Trans Am racing muscle cars.

That idea really allows the mind to get creative, and you wouldnt be held to strict building instructions.

My two cents.

I dunno. While it could be interesting, I'm not sure it's particullarly feasible for a large participation competition. The more creativity you ask from people, the fewer will enter and the slower they will build. Not intended as an insult or an attack, just the objective truth- it's more difficult to build and be 'creative' than it is to just build, and therefore fewer people would participate.

Besides, if we're going to delve into the realm of fantasy cars, why bother restricting it to race cars? It would be a really fuzzy line between fantasy race cars and, say fantasy drift competition cars- and then from there to fantasy modded street cars, and then.... Where do you want to draw the line, and why bother? Really, if there's enough interest in a fantasy theme, open it to everything- you'll at least get more builds.

I have plenty of great kits of real race cars that I just haven't gotten around to starting, and I really like having a motorsports contest to entice me to pull something out of the stash and start it. I don't have a kit of a car I've been planning to turn into a fantasy racer- and I seriously doubt many other people here do. I can come up with something I'd build for just about every real world category that's been suggested- but if the contest would mean buying an entirely new kit and then coming up with some creative new idea to change it into, I'd sit it out....

I think that a phantom race car build could be envisaged as a separate thing. I really like that idea, but now I'm not so sure it's quite suitable for the case at hand.

Some good discussion going on here, and some good points made, guys. Keep 'em coming!

while I work on my entry for the current contest

I dunno. While it could be interesting, I'm not sure it's particullarly feasible for a large participation competition. The more creativity you ask from people, the fewer will enter and the slower they will build. Not intended as an insult or an attack, just the objective truth- it's more difficult to build and be 'creative' than it is to just build, and therefore fewer people would participate.

Yes probably you're right. Looking back I note I was only sharing my wonder, not looking at the best for a great contest, the better idea woul be the one which can move the ass of more people possible :)

Just to put fuel on the fire:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/jack.jpg

This might be a dumb question, but I need to ask it, did you PS that or is that a real car? Because that car is AWESOME!
Chris

Don't you know it? It fight in the Tennessee GT series.
I'm kidding, just pimped trought PS in 5 minutes :). But I admit N°7 is a good deal for that pony ;) also as the fuel (have you tried? may be JD'll have more octane than nitro :)).

Well friend I promise: no more joking in this thread (if you warrant me that Klutz-100 can't fall down here) I note you're quetly tedious and a bit serious than normal: I'll do the good from now :)

Well I guess fantasy livery is kinda hard. ALmost every contestant has to be able to make decals himself. Don't know if a lot off people will enter the contest then. What about something sinister? Every car in the contest has to have something to do with death. Like Senna's Williams, Christine (from Stephen King), James Dean car, the lincoln from kennedy... and so on...
It's perhaps a a bit to far.. but it would definatly be something else then "lemans" ;-)

Tobacco and alcohol is a great idea! or just Red Bull cars would be awesome too! Or im always a big fan of going back to LeMans theme, i have a major build project planned for this year involving a LeMans car.

Well I guess fantasy livery is kinda hard. ALmost every contestant has to be able to make decals himself. Don't know if a lot off people will enter the contest then. What about something sinister? Every car in the contest has to have something to do with death. Like Senna's Williams, Christine (from Stephen King), James Dean car, the lincoln from kennedy... and so on...
It's perhaps a a bit to far.. but it would definatly be something else then "lemans" ;-)

It's only my opinion but I don't like it at all. I prefere collect stuff that have something to do with life, but I appreciated the idea :)

I like the open wheel theme with tobacco and alcahol influance.

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Well I guess fantasy livery is kinda hard. ALmost every contestant has to be able to make decals himself. Don't know if a lot off people will enter the contest then. What about something sinister? Every car in the contest has to have something to do with death. Like Senna's Williams, Christine (from Stephen King), James Dean car, the lincoln from kennedy... and so on...
It's perhaps a a bit to far.. but it would definatly be something else then "lemans" ;-)

What? Alcohol and tobacco aren't deadly enough for ya'?...;-)>

Bill

hmm, how about a competition in which you MUST have race weathering/damage (what-ever applies) on the car instead of the usual fresh from the factory look?

I like the Idea for the Open wheels (I should say any Years) with or without Tobacco/beer.
See you,

Jamme

hmm, how about a competition in which you MUST have race weathering/damage (what-ever applies) on the car instead of the usual fresh from the factory look?

That sounds really good :)

hmm, how about a competition in which you MUST have race weathering/damage (what-ever applies) on the car instead of the usual fresh from the factory look?

:grinyes: :grinyes: In my opinion, weathered/damaged cars only belong in diaramas. Where the on looker can get a full perspective of the situation. Besides, I'm not into, and I don't believe many others are either, making race cars that look like military vehicles LOL:grinno: :grinno: Also my opinon, the only time I would consider weathering is to cover up a crappy paint/decal job and then I would strip and repaint before weathering.:grinyes: :grinyes:

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I think a broader range of criteria is probably more preferable if you want a large turnout. Limiting your entries to strictly open-wheeled, tobacco/alcohol sponsored blue cars with even-numbered liveries whose driver is going to severely limit your entries. I'd personally vote for either open-wheel or alcohol/tobacco entries... both might be pushing it. Although I don't see any reason for having smaller contests throughout the year with the other criteria. My $ .02.

....i suggesting weathering/damaging because the way i see, it is a theme that allows everyone to enter what they want to build as well as opening up near endless variations of dents, scratches, broken or mud encrusted what-ever you can think of for the various types of race cars.

it also allows for a relatively level playing field as well as from what i gather looking around at what the regulars post, not many people go down this route for their models.

I like the idea of open-wheel racers of all ages, and maybe we can have themed prizes like best tobacco and best alcohol, in addition to the best overall?

Ok, here's an idea?
How about any race vehicle that has won a race?

perhaps this has been suggested before but it would certainly allow for quite a variety of models?

Here's another idea?
Test vehicles or prototypes?

I like the open wheel idea and the colours of Orange & Yellow and why not bring the alcohol & cigarette sponsorship...
So lets bring it on...

I like the open wheel idea and the colours of Orange & Yellow and why not bring the alcohol & cigarette sponsorship...
So lets bring it on...


So, lets see- open wheel, orange or yellow, and alcohol/tobacco. That leaves us, what- McLarens in Marlboro, and maybe Jordans in Benson and Hedges. Sure, that's plenty of variety for everyone!!

All right, all together now- it's going to be either:
1. Open wheel. Or-
2. Tobacco/alcohol. Or-
3. Orange or red or mauve or chartruse. Or-
4. '70s. Or-
5. Whatever other single category (death, battle damage, Red Bull, Cup Noodles, winners, losers, also rans, etc.)

Pick one of the above.

So, lets see- open wheel, orange or yellow, and alcohol/tobacco. That leaves us, what- McLarens in Marlboro, and maybe Jordans in Benson and Hedges. Sure, that's plenty of variety for everyone!!

All right, all together now- it's going to be either:
1. Open wheel. Or-
2. Tobacco/alcohol. Or-
3. Orange or red or mauve or chartruse. Or-
4. '70s. Or-
5. Whatever other single category (death, battle damage, Red Bull, Cup Noodles, winners, losers, also rans, etc.)

Pick one of the above.

Well excuse me for making the colour mistake, saying yellow instead of red. What i was saying is i like the themes that have come up so far......

Well excuse me for making the colour mistake, saying yellow instead of red. What i was saying is i like the themes that have come up so far......

All right, I didn't mean to come across quite so agressively. And it certainly wasn't intended just for you. But- only one of these schemes is going to work, and combinations will only discourage participation.

Either way, after were done throwing around ideas (and we've seen some good ones), I suspect a poll will be in order to sort out one from the rest.

No worries MPWR...
Well i am happy with either of the options so far, i just want to get the pole done so we can decide what to build...

Here's another idea?
Test vehicles or prototypes?

that's cool

Winners is another excellent idea, leaves lots of possibilities. Alternatively maybe losers would be an even bigger pool to draw upon. :lol:

Test vechicels and prototypes is a brilliant ID. You can enter street cars, race cars, Oldtimers,.... this one gets my vote!

may be muscle-cars competition? I also like an idea with open wheels

So, lets see- open wheel, orange or yellow, and alcohol/tobacco. That leaves us, what- McLarens in Marlboro, and maybe Jordans in Benson and Hedges. Sure, that's plenty of variety for everyone!!

All right, all together now- it's going to be either:
1. Open wheel. Or-
2. Tobacco/alcohol. Or-
3. Orange or red or mauve or chartruse. Or-
4. '70s. Or-
5. Whatever other single category (death, battle damage, Red Bull, Cup Noodles, winners, losers, also rans, etc.)

Pick one of the above.


Tell ya what, when YOU figure out what the theme is let us all know. Then we'll figure out if we want to enter anything!!!!!!!

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Tell ya what, when YOU figure out what the theme is let us all know. Then we'll figure out if we want to enter anything!!!!!!!

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Allright, Benson and Hedges Jordans for everyone!!

well i surely will not be entering if it is open-wheel, no builds planned in the future and i think i already know who would win this anyhow. Alcohol/Tobacco would be a great theme and open to every racing series out there. I still think this is a great subject. Winners or Prototypes is a good idea but i believe that this will lead to alot of argueing about the definition and what can and cant be entered, this is a Motorsport contest, so we would have to have some guide lines on this one.:2cents:

Allright, Benson and Hedges Jordans for everyone!!


Nooooo. Camel Lotuses (or is it Loti?)

Looking at this realistically, the theme that would promote the greatest participation would be the Tobacco/Alcohol idea.

No limitation of type of vehicle ie sedan, open wheeler, bike or truck. Remember that if you don't want your model to advertise the theme in a big way, some events were sponsored by them and this could mean just a small door sticker.

I don´t want to get into serious rants here. But - no matter what theme - we choose, we should set the priority that we are in the motorsports section of this forum. So we sholud be able to set a limit to cars that raced or are connected to actual cars that will race (prototypes, etc.) at actual events.

Otherwise we could open a competition for "Hey, lets build a model" in the Car Modeling section. I´m not sure, how feel about it, but this comp should have something to do with motorsports.

So please, no theme that opens up for street modified cars or general muscle cars!

What about movie cars? you can all the way with this. Old race cars to futuristic (I would LOVE to see somebody make the Lexus from Minority report).

Hmm…

Not wanting to get embroiled into any argument, even though I’m perhaps not the most popular on this board, and therefore anything I say will be largely ignored but I still feel that open wheel would make a nice contest.

But I also like the idea of “race winners” as this opens up the contest to so many race car /bike models. And this would allow for so many entrants.

The tobacco /alcohol idea is also good, but this could be optional at the builders discretion. With race winners you select a model, and then the builder can decide to add the additional sponsorship decals.

Race winners also opens this to the “whole” world of motor sport. The ones who like F1 can build F1, those who like to build bikes, rally cars, touring cars etc etc.. It really does open up the contest to so many models, and then anyone who likes to build race cars can enter.

Just my thoughts, I’ll wait for the poll. And then cast my vote.

Yes what said Mike is true but I'll see a little difference on the cointest's appeal:

- Tobacco/alcohol is a "visual" theme that will join all entries, so all entries would have something to do, visually speaking. I don't know if I express myself clear. This concept is really god for a contest to me, fun. Just imagine all finished models with something common.

- Winner/loser ecc. isn't a visual discrimination so you'' able to find out really some different car, and it may be good for a bigger variety.

- I'm not really enthusiast for the open wheel theme but it'll be a great stuff for start something different and unexpected.

Just a couple of thoughts on this:

No. 1: Well friend I promise: no more joking in this thread (if you warrant me that Klutz-100 can't fall down here) :thefinger :rofl:

No. 2: I have no right to take voice in this discussion because almost one year ago I declared entry in the 80s comp and.....:shakehead zilch!

No. 3: What ever it is, I think it's a good idea to make sure it has an "advanced builder" version and "standard builder" version i.e. similar to the curbside/engine catagories. The comp should encourage many entries and any restrictions to highly detailed or investment heavy aftermarket part categories might restrict that (any TAMIYA tobacco/alcohol decal kits out there?)

4. I still think OOB is a good method to allow standard entries in a competitive way. Keeps the builder focussed on clean building and good paint jobs and not on accurate scale dims of the leading edge of the rear back twiggle-diffuser blade ;)

5. How about a just a racing bike theme? Must have 2 wheels only? Keep it simple...?

6. I am yet again admiring Phil's calm approach to getting tens of guys to agree to something :lol: Hats off to you, Phil :worshippy

What ever you guys decide on just let me know. I will be more than happy to supply some prizes for the winners. maybe theme appropriate?? I love watching the in progress threads because I don't have a lot of time to build myself. I am just finishing up the GTP Corvette I stated a year ago last March!!

Kevin
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