Camaro Vs. 04 Cobra

my room-mate says cobolt is a color too lol, she said its called cobolt blue...im glad shes a chick because thats a bit feminine like to know :iceslolan


Actually Cobalt is an element like said and it is blue in color. So for many years and still to this day most blue paints and dyes where made from Cobalt.

So Cobalt blue kinda becomes reptitive cause like 99% of ya blues have some cobalt in them.

Man....so much info on Cobalt...thanks guys i think im going to publish a book...

To answer people when asking "why chevy isn't using a DOHC engine."

When Chevy was coming up with the C5 (1997) they took some engineers to a test track and had two identical C5's one with what is the LS1 and the other with a DOHC V8 and weren't told which was which. After driving both it was unanimous that the favored car was the LS1. Stick with what works and the LS1 is a great engine, but ford has a good thing with the boosted DOHCs...

William

now gt stang is a mod who knows his colors lol

So how does the cobalt beat out the srt-4? they run like 13's stock right?

The articles i have seen place them almost identical with the SRT being VERY slightly faster...

William

Knowing that Cobalt is a color isnt femine I knew that because of Halo, my color for Master Chief was cobalt :)

hell naw, i didnt even notice that on halo lmao.....thats sweet!

Challenger wasn't the competition for the camaro/mustang battle. Challenger was the bigger actual "muscle car" not the "pony car" crowd...
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The Challenger (and its cousin 'Cuda) were pony cars that competed against the Mustang, Javelin and Camaro in the SCCA Trans Am series.... you must be thinking of the Charger as the "bigger actual Muscle Car"...

~John

So how does the cobalt beat out the srt-4? they run like 13's stock right?

???????

Wow i didn't know the challenger was a "pony" car, i figured since it was HUGE like the chevelle and GTO it would be in the "muscle crowd." Personally i still refer to my camaro as a muscle car...

William

well i dont know about u guys but i dont see many cobras 03 and newer on the streets, and from what i saw they are a bit pricy as well. i dont think compairing a special edition mustang to a z or an ss is fair playing field. i would say v6 to v6, gt to z, ss to roush, and the cobra has nothing to compete with...some will say they went after the vet on that one but others will argue that down, but if u wanted to go the next camaro up then u will be looking at those 427 special editions and that rich mans zl1. they own cobras all day. is it fair to comair those cars to it? i think ford played the game a bit better than gm because they really made more specialty cars than gm did that a adverage guy could afford. so now were stuck with fighting off cobras with a ss or a z (same car). add a few mods of your own and u would own that cobra, but this goes back to last months statement...its all about which driver has the deepest pockets!

Once Test drove an 02 Cobra (I think it was an 02) had 18,000 miles on it and they wanted 36,000. You can keep your friggin Cobra, my 70 will whoop it's ass any day of the week, cost less than half as much, and looks about 5,000,000,000,000 times cooler.

I'm with Philly on this one, Cobra is a step up from any normal Camaro produced. It's like a 12 gauge versus a 10 gauge. Put a choke in the 12 and THEN you've got somewhat of a comparison.

Couldn't have been an 02...must have been an 01 if it wasn't supercharged...I can say i know a 04 cobra is faster than a LT1/T56 swapped first gen...I found this out in a highway race a week or so ago...

William

Lol, that's one way to learn some thing new, that's for sure.

Once I get things sorted out with mine, we'll see what the deal is... have a buddy a 04 cobra that's supercharged (smaller pulley), new intake and 3.73's who's itching to race.

If the guy who I bought my maro off of ran "low 11's" with a lame cylinder, I'd like to see what it'll do when everything's proper.

Couldn't have been an 02...must have been an 01 if it wasn't supercharged...I can say i know a 04 cobra is faster than a LT1/T56 swapped first gen...I found this out in a highway race a week or so ago...

William

Don't remember if it was supercharged or not, smoked it up for about 3 miles... sales guy said he was bored.:smokin: All I know is that for a year old car (assuming) with 18,000 miles on it and they wanted $36,000 (ahem FIRM)... What did the damned thing go for new??? 45,000? Way to much money for me.

Agreed. I'll take my 4k camaro and put 10k of parts on it to smoke your ass all day long, thank you very much.

That sounds like a supercharged on. They went for 33k sticker for a hardtop where i'm at and 37-39 for a convertible. I'd take a supercharged cobra over any camaro besides first gens...

William

I thought I'd put up prices for everybody here. So you know I got these at MSN in case you want to check them out :thumbsup: I couldn't find anything about the SS but isn't it a little more because of the hood, spoiler, and other options?

2003 SVT Mustang Cobra

Convertible Trims

SVT Cobra Convertible
Kelley Blue Book $27,900 - $29,500
MSRP $37,835
Invoice Price $34,819

SVT Cobra Convertible - 10th Anniv.
N/A
$39,275
$36,115

Coupe Trims

SVT Cobra Coupe
$25,500 - $26,900
$33,460
$30,839

SVT Cobra Coupe - 10th Anniv.
N/A
$34,935
$32,166

Engine and Power

4.6L
390 hp @ 6000 RPM
390 lb-tq @ 3500 RPM

2002 Z28 Camaro

Z28 Coupe
$15,700 - $16,700
$22,830
$20,889

Z28 Convertible
$18,650 - $19,850
$29,925
$27,381

Engine and Power

5.7L
310 hp @ 5200 RPM
340 lb-tq @ 4000 RPM

2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1/4 mile Drag Racing timeslip:
1/4 Mile ET: 13.500
1/4 Mile MPH: 105.250
1/8 Mile ET: 9.160
1/8 Mile MPH: 83.180
0-60 Foot ET: 2.360
Temperature F: 58.0
Car Make: Chevrolet
Car Model: Camaro
Car Type: SS
Car Year: 2002

Link here: http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Camaro-Timeslip-2302.html

2003 Ford Mustang SVT COBRA 1/4 mile Drag Racing timeslip:
1/4 Mile ET: 12.900
1/4 Mile MPH: 112.000
1/8 Mile ET: 0.000
1/8 Mile MPH: 0.000
0-60 Foot ET: 2.050
Temperature F: 86.0
Car Make: Ford
Car Model: Mustang
Car Type: SVT COBRA
Car Year: 2003

Link here: http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustang-Timeslip-2689.html

yep an 06 Z06 will smoke a 03-04 cobra...But will it smoke the new GT500 in a straight line (corners i KNOW it will). The GT500 will cost less and run similar stock times and have the ability to be modded MUCH easier. Chevy was having problems getting the Z06 up to 500hp. I agree to an extent that ford is "playing catch up" but in their defense i think ford is producing an affordable fun car that the market will be willing to pay for.

William

sorry comin into the convo late, but i wanted to point out that the gt500 is in now way shape or form cheaper than the '06 z06 vette. oh and gm didn't have much trouble getting 500hp out of the ls7, they get far more hp like that and get it to run 24hrs of lemans w/ no problems at all, gm never has had hp trouble lol

i wanted to point out that the gt500 is in now way shape or form cheaper than the '06 z06 vette

The '06 ZO6 Corvette is priced at what, $60-$80,000? The GT-500 will be priced at around $40,000. It looks like it'll be cheaper to me.

So my question is, is there any stock Camaro that could even compete. Maybe the SS but I want diff opinions
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No....

I have a buddy with an '04 Cobra, stock he ran a 12.14... He has added Basanni Exhaust, smaller supercharger pulley which almost doubled his boost, and a few other mods..... and is now hitting 11.60s...

~John

stock 12.14? 1/4 mile? :lol2: what are you smoking no way no how

It's projected to be around 40K, I doubt it, I really do unless they're going to use some really cheap body stuff, suspension, and all other crap aside from the engine. I'd still go Vette though, too many Stangs in the streets and having GT500 said on my Stang isnt going to make me want a Vette less than a Cobra.

its spose to be under 40k

stock 12.14? 1/4 mile? :lol2: what are you smoking no way no how
Agreed.

12's....yes
12.1....no.

And I can't believe those mods would only shave off half a second. If he really 'doubled the boost,' he would have taken MUCH more off than .5 seconds. A 12.1 ET is for a modified Cobra.

i ran a 12.60 stock, pulleyed and the air snorkle removed i ran 11.6s at 125

i ran a 12.60 stock, pulleyed and the air snorkle removed i ran 11.6s at 125
I LOVE how those cars take to mods. Doesn't take shit to get them REALLY moving.

Yeah, sure do. Simple stuff too.

The '06 ZO6 Corvette is priced at what, $60-$80,000? The GT-500 will be priced at around $40,000. It looks like it'll be cheaper to me.

i don't research ford or anything but i have heard from alot of people who are super interested in the gt500 that those are gonna be 100,000 and up cars... and i'm not calling u a liar, but under 40 grand? they won't do that cuz then too many people would own one, and that is supposed to have a "rich person" kinda ferrari type persona

Are you guys talking about the real GT500, as in the muscle car, or the Ford GT, the supercar?

Are you guys talking about the real GT500, as in the muscle car, or the Ford GT, the supercar?

i meant the ford gt

Ford GT is as expensive as hell man, I agree with your previous post. However, the GT500 should be something retro back to the Supersnake days.

starting msrp on a ford gt is 141,000 like i said, in no way shape or form cheaper than the '06 z06 vette

the z06 is targetted at the ford gt, it will outperform it, for 60,000 less :evillol:

Boo yah man.

Yeah the ford GT supercar is definately more expensive than any corvette (maybe not C5R?) but he is talking about the 06/7 cobra mustang GT500. That car is supposed to be around 40,000 and have a detuned motor from the ford GT, 450hp estimated.

WOW, cant believe how many posts, and how its still open!!!!!! It has to be a record...
Anyway someone on here thinks the GT500 will outperform the Zo6, Thats hard to believe.....

I don't think it will outperform it, I only think that it will be close in the quartermile.

Anyway someone on here thinks the GT500 will outperform the Zo6, Thats hard to believe.....

a couple hundred more dollers should do it if not faster yes i said hundred

Quarter mile yes, cornering no.
Ridge Runner, I was talking stock for stock.

i dont think it will be able to beat the Z06 in niether 1320 or cornering

does anyone know how heavy the new shelby 500 will be?

475hp weighing in at 3600 i beleive, and i'll double check myself cause i know i'm off by a little.

excuse me... 3850lbs at most likely 475hp@6000 rpm
quote from car and driver

Judging by our weather-limited experience at Romeo and our test-track results with the 2003 SVT Mustang Cobra [C/D, June 2002], we concur. Power will be abundant, although O'Connell and his crew were still being cagey about specifics. Pressed on this issue, O'Connell said "between 450 and 500 horsepower—how's that?" Our tech staff warmed up the calculators and figured a forecast of 475 horsepower at 6000 rpm. We may be low.

Big power isn't much good unless it gets to the ground without excessive wheelspin, which is why the production GT500 will have a lot more rear tire than the New York show car, which hunkered over a set of 19-inch wheels wearing 255/45 tires. The initial production run of GT500s will roll on 9.5-by-18-inch wheels with sticky Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires—255/45 front, 285/40 rear.

"We just couldn't get the 255s to hook up," says O'Connell. "Almost every run was going up in smoke."

A pronounced forward weight bias—about 57/43, according to O'Connell—didn't help, either. Part of this is due to increased mass. The supercharged iron-block 5.4 weighs about 175 more pounds than the naturally aspirated 4.6 SOHC 24-valve aluminum V-8 in the Mustang GT. That factor, plus a bigger front-brake package, bigger wheels and tires, and other GT500 package elements, add up to a curb weight projected in the 3850-pound range versus 3575 pounds for the last Mustang GT we tested.

It be a challenge, and also a good race, if the Shelby had $100 MORE IN MODS......Fords need mods you cant blame Chevy for making impossible competition :)

Are you saying VR4 that the 03 Cobra will be faster than the GT500?

no, hell no!! lol

i'm saying the shelby should be a low 12's, and thats what the 03 Z06 does right now(12.4). exept i'm epecting the gt500 to be in the 12.2-12.1 range

Thats pretty frekin low.......
Faster and faster......
soon 13's will be slow!!!!!

Dont know about that, man. 13s being slow? 13s are usually the goal that many people want their cars to goto. The GT500 is definatly knocking on Z06's door though with that HP, but I dont know if it will go faster than it.

man, some guy dynoed his 97 cobra today, i thought it would lay down like 280 or close to it, that damn thing ran 168 i was like wtf. by the last pull i think its best run was a 173 or something. the guy who owned it was pissed, hes a camaro guy, but he got the car for like 6g's and nothing was wrong with the car. i just thought that was wild as hell.

Maybe it was a 97 GT, their power output was less than impressive. The Cobra was supposed to have 300 hp, granted its unlikely it would get that on a dyno, but 45% drivetrain loss is a little high. Something would have to be wrong with any year cobra to dyno at 170 hp.

that sounds like what a GT would have laid down.

Put the cobra against this http://www.supercars.net/cars/314.html and see what happens.

omgomgomg...I've got a chubby.

I say its a far run, 69 of them were made and it was a production model like saleen, rousch is to ford, so bye bye cobra, camaro is and always will be victorious!!

What about this http://www.supercars.net/cars/702.html
against the Camaro ZL1?

What about this http://www.supercars.net/cars/702.html
against the Camaro ZL1?

Well being that both of those pictures are labeled "concept" I guess we'll never really know, but you know RStang... you're in the CAMARO forum now. It's ok, we all know your little orange pony car would have it's ass ripped off in one bite, spit out, stepped on and laughed at. You can admit it now that you're not amongst your FORD boys. :grinyes::lol::iceslolan:lol2:

Well being that both of those pictures are labeled "concept" I guess we'll never really know, but you know RStang... you're in the CAMARO forum now. It's ok, we all know your little orange pony car would have it's ass ripped off in one bite, spit out, stepped on and laughed at. You can admit it now that you're not amongst your FORD boys. :grinyes::lol::iceslolan:lol2:

Well I'm not the only mustang guy who posted in this thread
and you give a bad rep to the camaro crowd as being dicks.
You don't see the guys in the mustang forum acting like a dick to camaro owners do you?

I didn't know it was a sin against the camaro people that if you own a mustang you can't post here :rolleyes: :disappoin

Well I'm not the only mustang guy who posted in this thread and you give a bad rep to the camaro crowd as being dicks.
You don't see the guys in the mustang forum acting like a dick to camaro owners do you?

I didn't know it was a sin against the camaro people that if you own a mustang you can't post here :rolleyes: :disappoin



Awwww c'mon RStang. I'm full of love for everyone. :smooch:

"You don't see the guys in the mustang forum acting like a dick to camaro owners do you?" Big old WTF??? You don't see me going over there and posting links to the BADDEST AMERICAN PRODUCTION CAR EVER do you? I'm all modest staying over here, basking in my knowledge that your guys' cars suck (in my OPINION). You are the one who posted your Boss Mustang link in a Camaro Forum... and can't take the heat??? You need to lighten up.

No sin posting anywhere... just don't expect us to be all "omgomgomgomg your mustang is sooooo hot... I'm developing this tingling sensation... ohhh.... ohhh yeah baby... ohhhhhhhhhh, put it up again.... it's so BIG and FAST!"

Concepts don't count and that thing doesn't even have street tires, i think.

Awwww c'mon RStang. I'm full of love for everyone. :smooch:

"You don't see the guys in the mustang forum acting like a dick to camaro owners do you?" Big old WTF??? You don't see me going over there and posting links to the BADDEST AMERICAN PRODUCTION CAR EVER do you? I'm all modest staying over here, basking in my knowledge that your guys' cars suck (in my OPINION). You are the one who posted your Boss Mustang link in a Camaro Forum... and can't take the heat??? You need to lighten up.

No sin posting anywhere... just don't expect us to be all "omgomgomgomg your mustang is sooooo hot... I'm developing this tingling sensation... ohhh.... ohhh yeah baby... ohhhhhhhhhh, put it up again.... it's so BIG and FAST!"

Link85x posted up a concept camaro and all i did was post a concept mustang and asked how would they both match up.It's not like i made a new thread or anything. What is so bad about what I did? It's in a camaro vs. mustang thread.I wasn't trying to start a war or anything.He posted a badass concept camaro and I posted a badass mustang concept because obviously an 03-04 cobra is no competition to that camaro.

So was it that my simple reply was offending to you that you seen a concept mustang or is it you just don't like people who like or own a mustang?

oh ok... lets kiss and make up.

I personally HATE mustangs. Why???? Just because. I HATE Ford, why? I've owned 3 and they all SUCKED. (Stupid me kept giving them he benefit of the doubt). I know someone that has a nice 04 (Ithink) Cobra that I wouldn't drive if you paid me because I've never driven a ford that didn't fall apart WAY before it's time. (Brand new 03 Supercrew Xmission went with 7500 miles on it, 99 Explorer... what didn't break??? You get the point.) Oh and expensive as hell to fix. I've had 4 Chevy's 2 K1500 Pickups, an 86 Blazer and my Maro, and (with the Maro being the only exception because I just bought it last year and haven't had the time to get it fixed properly yet) my 86 hit 260k before I sold it to a mexican who drove it to mexcio 11 times before it died, and the 2 trucks are still perfect.

Hey, you like them that's great and more power to you.

If you can't see the humor in my post (which is ALL it was) then you need to get some bloodpressure medicine and a hummer. It was just a joke... who's getting offended?