Camaro Vs. 04 Cobra

Ok then.....might as well throw in the T/A then too

Stock ls1 camaros and firebirds just can't compete with the 03+ Cobras... Sorry GM guys but it's just the truth. And don't take my comments wrong, I am a fan of both. In my opinion, were entering a great age for horsepower, with the mighty GT500 and 500 horsepower ZO6 on the horizon. It's going to be fun times when those two bump heads on the street...

Well since the T/A is in there, might as well as add the Cougar and 'Cuda, since they were pony cars too.

Way too give no opinion....lol
Which do you like better then, Mustang/ Camaro,
You have to have a favorite, even if you like both

Well since the T/A is in there, might as well as add the Cougar and 'Cuda, since they were pony cars too.
Crap, might as well put in the bmw 2002's since they were just about killing everything on the road

Challenger wasn't the competition for the camaro/mustang battle. Challenger was the bigger actual "muscle car" not the "pony car" crowd...However i like the Challenger the most of all the old performance cars (ie stangs,camaro,cuda,etc..etc...). I was kidding with the 6.0 GTO comment, i know you meant the looks of the car, in traditional pontiac styling to make the car "different" from the previous year or older model they cut some holes and called it good.

What is the transam being thrown into? The 04 cobra v. SS camaro battle? Transam is essentially the same as the SS with near identical performance.

Now it really is no longer the camaro v. mustang battle...Not until GM gets it head out of it's ass and does something right for a change...

William

Challenger wasn't the competition for the camaro/mustang battle. Challenger was the bigger actual "muscle car" not the "pony car" crowd...However i like the Challenger the most of all the old performance cars (ie stangs,camaro,cuda,etc..etc...). I was kidding with the 6.0 GTO comment, i know you meant the looks of the car, in traditional pontiac styling to make the car "different" from the previous year or older model they cut some holes and called it good.

What is the transam being thrown into? The 04 cobra v. SS camaro battle? Transam is essentially the same as the SS with near identical performance.

Now it really is no longer the camaro v. mustang battle...Not until GM gets it head out of it's ass and does something right for a change...

William
No.....now were going Mustang vs. Bmw 2002

straight line or in the corners...i think the Cobra would hand it to just about every BMW i can think of...And if price is still an issue, look at the price difference between the cost of a BMW that could come close, and the cobra...

William

I meant the old 2002 models, not year 2002
But since your going the direction, the new M series, whether 3, 5 will kick the crap out of that mustang or any other

in a straight line 03-04 cobra will own a M3...However i'd rather own an M3 even though they're way overpriced...

William

well i dont know about u guys but i dont see many cobras 03 and newer on the streets, and from what i saw they are a bit pricy as well. i dont think compairing a special edition mustang to a z or an ss is fair playing field. i would say v6 to v6, gt to z, ss to roush, and the cobra has nothing to compete with...some will say they went after the vet on that one but others will argue that down, but if u wanted to go the next camaro up then u will be looking at those 427 special editions and that rich mans zl1. they own cobras all day. is it fair to comair those cars to it? i think ford played the game a bit better than gm because they really made more specialty cars than gm did that a adverage guy could afford. so now were stuck with fighting off cobras with a ss or a z (same car). add a few mods of your own and u would own that cobra, but this goes back to last months statement...its all about which driver has the deepest pockets!

My opinion is that the Cobra is a faster car period. We can go on and on about, "what about sprayed and cammed ls1 or kenne bell or whipple charged Cobras" all day long, really its a matter of who has the most money to spend on moding their cars. Out of the two, ls1 vs Cobra, I'd take the snake...

pretty much short and sweet of what i said, i dont think its comairable but we do it anyway, but the bottom line will remain as this... a regular gt mustang till this day still hasnt peaked at 300hp it is what it is. they are the slower car, but in the bonus round they do have a few special mustangs that can get-r done! this time next year i wont care much what the hell the other guys driving, if i have to put 10 grand into my motor to get what i want i will but when its all said and done im trying to be damn near close to the top of the food chain, damn a vet, or a 4th gen z, and any mustang on the street, and do i need to say damn imports...rs will stand for respect. i got nothing else to spend my money on so im going for the gusto.

Challenger wasn't the competition for the camaro/mustang battle. Challenger was the bigger actual "muscle car" not the "pony car" crowd...However i like the Challenger the most of all the old performance cars (ie stangs,camaro,cuda,etc..etc...).

William

You think so? I was reading around and muscle car club said that the Challenger was the last one to get in on the pony wars at 1970. Also about the new Mustang GT, I was surprised that it only went up to 300 HP, pitiful if you ask me since Chevy already ran and laid down the road in the late 90s.

You think so? I was reading around and muscle car club said that the Challenger was the last one to get in on the pony wars at 1970. Also about the new Mustang GT, I was surprised that it only went up to 300 HP, pitiful if you ask me since Chevy already ran and laid down the road in the late 90s.

It's like ford is behind, but at the same time ahead.

Well I think it's always been Camaro vs. Mustang in the V6 and then Z28 Vs GT with the 8s. The other higher options like SS and Mach 1 or whatever dont really count because they go way higher in what they do with stuff. So for me Ford is always eating Chevy's dust.

LOL Cobras overpriced? I was looking at 03-04 cobras stickered in the low 30s...What were SS's and WS6's stickered at? Saying the rousch is better competition? Those things are WAY overpriced. Yes i do believe that the 03-04 cobra will own a M3 of the same year in a straight line. They're fast but not as fast as the Cobras.

This whole thread reads to me like a bunch of whiners crying about loosing the camaro and making up for it by putting down the car that's still selling...Yet another reason why i consider myself a first gen guy more than a camaro guy...

William

lol will you are a camaro guy no matter what gen you have.

Seems to me that the main criteria to being a "camaro" guy is to hate mustangs...Which i do not. I like pretty much all mustangs. One of my favorite cars is an old mustang and one of my favorite new cars is a mustang.

William

just wait for the 06 Z06 and run 11's off the showroom floor, and you will have no problems smoking even some moded 03/04 cobras

didnt know they were only priced in the low 30's i was thinking more of 35-39 grand, but i did consider them affordable to the adverage joe, as for the ss and ws6 thats why i didnt have neither of them they were high 20's low 30's themselves, but u also have to look at what kind of power u were getting out of those cars at that time. never the less i couldnt afford them then and i still cant, so ill take my 4 grand car and make it into a better car than them both and doing so i wont even spend half of what either car cost. cant knock ford because they are still selling cars and we arent, but till i die ill stick with the facts, they are playing a came of catch-up

yep an 06 Z06 will smoke a 03-04 cobra...But will it smoke the new GT500 in a straight line (corners i KNOW it will). The GT500 will cost less and run similar stock times and have the ability to be modded MUCH easier. Chevy was having problems getting the Z06 up to 500hp. I agree to an extent that ford is "playing catch up" but in their defense i think ford is producing an affordable fun car that the market will be willing to pay for.

William

I like Mustangs and have a Camaro....
I have to disagree with the same year Cobra/ M3
those Germans know how to make cars....lol
The point I want to make is Mustang has too many models out, V6, GT, Mach1, Roush, Saleen, Cobra. No wonder they sell more cars than Camaro. It's ridiculas, I probably still didnt name them all.....

Ford doesn't produce the saleens and roushs. Ford offers V6, GT, Mach 1, and Cobra. 4 models which hit the market right where they need to. Disagree all you want with the M3 comment but i've seen M3's in action in a straight line and they're good but not great. I'd say the better race would be an SS v. a M3...

William

see thats what i try to explain to folks, the market is a fun sporty car that performse, both cars fit the bill, one is slighty faster than the other, one is way better priced than the other, has many options to pick from and the key, are still making them, people want new cars not used and right now ford is filling that bill. the gto its ok, 2 of my friends have one i still say grand prix on drugs....all those pontiac cars look just adamn like! not for me, but they are impressive indeed. as much as i go against ford they arent the real problem. its imports, they are killing everyone. they have great power, and are usualy cheap, and when tuned can kill all demestic cars. being a old tuner i hate to say, but i smoked more camaro z's and mustangs in my old gst eclipse. ill look real hard for my old pics but ill tell u what, it had over 300hp and that was in the mid 90's. i was laying the smack down in va beach on alot of fools. the game is about who can make the cheaper car and still perform, ford and the fart cans are doing it, meanwhile we have the 210hp cobolt. makes u wounder...

Ford doesn't produce the saleens and roushs. Ford offers V6, GT, Mach 1, and Cobra. 4 models which hit the market right where they need to. Disagree all you want with the M3 comment but i've seen M3's in action in a straight line and they're good but not great. I'd say the better race would be an SS v. a M3...

William
About the M3 You have your opinion, I have mine. and enough said about that
Whatever about the saleens and roushes, their still a Mustang whether its covered in Saleen decals or not

LOL woohoo DSM!!!! JK

You've heard some jokes about DSMs havnt you? If you hadn't here is one.

DSM...If it isn't broke...You are.

lol
William

Whats DSM?

His GST is a DSM, it's the turbo usually AWD cars from mitsu (It's Diamond Star Motors). I know we both have our opinions on the M3. If you read my first response i'd say i'd rather have a M3, but M3's are in the mid 13s stock...Cobra is faster than that. That's not opinion, that's facts.

William

You still have your opinion, because no average joe is going to run that Cobra in the 12 range :smile:

those other 2 ponies u mentioned cost a grip! my best friend had a 99 roush i think it was he was paying out the ying yang for that thing, and i liked my gt better his car.(yes i use to own a mustang thats why i hate them so much) and the saleen i only knew a few guys back in va who owned them, they were fast but i think one guy told me he payed like 50grand for that damn thing. thats nuts...50 grand im in a damn hummer or a accura, bmw, benz,tahoe,caddy, go big escalade xlt. thats alot for a damn car!

I agree...thats alot. What year was your GT

His GST is a DSM, it's the turbo usually AWD cars from mitsu (It's Diamond Star Motors). I know we both have our opinions on the M3. If you read my first response i'd say i'd rather have a M3, but M3's are in the mid 13s stock...Cobra is faster than that. That's not opinion, that's facts.

William
Hey Will69camaro....I agree with the M3....if and only if they were getting their top times....im tired of debating :iceslolan

03, i didnt like it at all, i like my v6 camaro way better, i sold it to my room mate....she loves the damn thing...figures, its a chick car anyway. the sad thing is she wont even race me her exact word are my car is half vet, she just knows how much money i dumped into it, and when she rides with me i keep her pined against the seats, i love it.

03, i didnt like it at all, i like my v6 camaro way better, i sold it to my room mate....she loves the damn thing...figures, its a chick car anyway. the sad thing is she wont even race me her exact word are my car is half vet, she just knows how much money i dumped into it, and when she rides with me i keep her pined against the seats, i love it.
Wow and thats a 6 cylinder?
You must have Corvette something...lol :lol: Very nice, looks and can back it up.

ill tell u what it was....the guys where im sposored at all kept ragging me about selling it and getting a ls1. they all said putting money into a 6 was a waist, ill tell u this.... when u are sitting at a light and some dude pulls up next to u the y look at u check out the car and the last thing they do is take a peek of your badges, then they wanna rev when they see rs. i got sick of that so i built something that would make them wanna catch up 2 me and ask whats in that... and im telling u the truth out of 20 cars...mustangs and imports when im at the light they wanna race, i purge the system then they look like oh sh*t, race over. 6 people may have ran me after that. most of my races are against guys in my club just to see how i compair to them. keep in mind they all drive big boy stuff 400hp up to 900. vets, camaros,trans ams, 2 vipers, and some rich guy with a damn lamorghini (i know i spelled that all wrong. i just wanted to get a v6 some respect, its bad when a 4 banger gets more props than a 6...i didnt get that at all so i made her fast

Whats your 1/4 mile?

it hasnt been done for more than a month we got her up and running in time for the f-body gathering, the weekend before we left was battle of the car clubs in bradington i was supposed to go but none of us went because nobody wanted to risk breaking something before the trip, so she hasnt been timed on the track. dyno times mean next to crap so i never posted them, before spray she did a bit over 250. never sprayed because now i want a ls1 and i wont risking breaking anything(it was built to handle at least a 400 shot) but stuff happens and its worth more working than broke lol.i do wanna see what my money payed for so i may be risking it real soon. guys like xeno and rs i know dont wanna hear that because im giving them first crack at the engine when i swap

Sweet

Wow, sounds like you've done a crapload to your car philly. I get what you're trying to do and it's be different because not many people stay with their six.

yeah i did what i wanted to do now im gonna do something abit harder and people will put it down, but many will see and understand what im gonna do. its ls1 time.

There is a local guy with a 6 banger firebird with lots of engine wor in i think he hit 13s all motor but not positive.

William

there is a guy here in tampa who built 2 of the fastest v6 camaros in the nation back in the 90's. the guys at the shop told me he was doing the same thing around 97,98. i was floored that i knew this guy, he helped with my car. he was the only one at first that thought it was a good idea for me to build her, never once told me what he had done before, others had to let me in on that. back then im sure that was a big deal to get a 6 running like that, hell now and days its still nice as hell, and all engine is even better

Are you sure the Ls1 will be faster than your 6 :naughty:

i hope so lol, that would suck

Wow.....I go to work, and this thread blows up even more.

03/04 Cobra > LS1 F-Body > M3
At least in straight line performance. M3 does it with a 6 cylinder though, and out of those cars, I would take the M3. But in straight line....

I know of a guy in Jersey that runs 12's with his V6 Camaro. Bottle. And a great setup to hook. If I could ever run off this mountain, and get any kinda of launch, I would be running 12's on street tires. Of course....would. :icon16:

Back to the Mustangs things....while GM was releasing the LS1 into the F-Body's, Ford had nothing that could run with them at the time. 2002 was the last of the F-Body's, and in 2003, Ford showed up Corvettes with the Cobra. A stock C5 isn't even competition for the 03/04 Cobras. The Z06 would barely edge out the Cobra.

I read someone posted something about the new 2006 Z06 wasting Cobra's.....
Let's see.....Cobra = $33,000......Z06 = $80,000
Add $2000 in mods, and a Cobra would run about even with the new Z06.
03/04 Cobras have been known to hit 500 RWHP with $1200-1300 in mods. They are SICK.
I love old school mustangs, but never did get into the late model Mustangs. The 2005 is even uglier. But Ford has a great powertrain.

If I wanted a car for overall straight line performance, I would sell my Trans Am and get a Cobra.

It blew up alright...all because of me!!!!!
Anyway, I like the new Mustangs....I also correct myself with the GTO...it is darn sweet.
I like WS6 as well....anyone know HP on those?

Back to the Mustangs things....while GM was releasing the LS1 into the F-Body's, Ford had nothing that could run with them at the time.

The Mustang was cheaper though than the Camaro and that turned out to be the key to victory.
Also, I heard several people in this thread say the Mustang beat the Camaro because it has more options than the Camaro like the V6, GT, Cobra, Saleen, ect. This isn't the case at all. The V6 Mustang was what did the Camaro in. I think it was either in '99 or '00 V6 Mustang sales out numbered total Camaro and Firebird sales.

I read someone posted something about the new 2006 Z06 wasting Cobra's.....
Let's see.....Cobra = $33,000......Z06 = $80,000
Add $2000 in mods, and a Cobra would run about even with the new Z06.
03/04 Cobras have been known to hit 500 RWHP with $1200-1300 in mods. They are SICK.

7.0L ZO6 vs. 4.6L Cobra
I sure as hell hope the ZO6 could win with that liter advantage and price. Anyway, I'm curious to see how the new GT-500s do against it and if they'll run with them. Personally, I think Chevy needs to explore into DOHC engines again. Just think what a DOHC LS-1 could do.

I love old school mustangs, but never did get into the late model Mustangs. The 2005 is even uglier. But Ford has a great powertrain.

I wouldn't call the '05 ugly. If you love old school Mustangs then you should like the newer ones, oh well. Ford does have a good powertrain but Chevy's is pretty awesome too.

If I wanted a car for overall straight line performance, I would sell my Trans Am and get a Cobra.

:lol: or a funny car

WS.6 = SS

Hell, not even sure what mine was rated at. I think it was 320/325 or something like that. I will look it up....

Mine dyno'd at 320 RWHP and 333 ft/pounds with lid and catback.


Okay....
320 HP for 99-00 WS.6's
325 HP for 01-02 WS.6's
I believe they were rated at 335 ft/pounds. Not 100% on that.

nice

The Mustang was cheaper though than the Camaro and that turned out to be the key to victory.
Also, I heard several people in this thread say the Mustang beat the Camaro because it has more options than the Camaro like the V6, GT, Cobra, Saleen, ect. This isn't the case at all. The V6 Mustang was what did the Camaro in. I think it was either in '99 or '00 V6 Mustang sales out numbered total Camaro and Firebird sales.
You know the funny part about that....
GM spent FOUR times the money on marketing for the new GTO than they ever did on the 98+ F-Body's. Guess which sold more. :lol:
7.0L ZO6 vs. 4.6L Cobra
I sure as hell hope the ZO6 could win with that liter advantage and price. Anyway, I'm curious to see how the new GT-500s do against it and if they'll run with them. Personally, I think Chevy needs to explore into DOHC engines again. Just think what a DOHC LS-1 could do.
Eh....
That goes into the displacement versus boost arguement. Both work to make power.
We never saw a DOHC LS1, because GM was outrunning most cars with a basic pushrod motor.
GM likes to stick to a cheaper method. Pushrod motors are plain out cheaper. And they are still making the power they need to be. I don't see GM moving from them anytime soon.

Either way.....Ford appears to be running the domestic performance car show right now. Corvette is up there, but for the price....Cobra.

i think the new mustangs are butt ugly, the first few days they were out i was at the dealership with my buddy who wanted to trade in his 01 for the new model and i thought this is different, as the days went on i gravitated towards the ugly end with that car, not sleek at all, the ws6 is bad ass and for some reason its rated a bit faster than the camaro dont know why...and till this day the coolest fact is that a turbo trans am i think that was 89 is running what an ls1 car is doing today. i think thats bad ass, we been killen everyone for the past 15 yrs...now thats whats up

If only GM kept the muscle......now its all about the Cobalt?? Whats a cobalt anyway?

If only GM kept the muscle......now its all about the Cobalt?? Whats a cobalt anyway?

Well if you see Dodge and all their luck with the SRT-4 you'd see why Chevy is interested in this market. I think it's a good idea because Motortrend found the Cobalt to be better than the SRT and I'm glad to see that.

Anyway, a Cobalt is a cross between a Cob and an Alt.

Thanks....that explains it....lol

Whats a cobalt anyway?

I just found out today from, of all places, the movie Ghostbusters 2!

Anyway, Cobalt is an element. I know it was eating you up inside bag but you can now rest in peace.

I just found out today from, of all places, the movie Ghostbusters 2!

Anyway, Cobalt is an element. I know it was eating you up inside bag but you can now rest in peace.
THANK YOU!!!!!
I was about to go to and jump some Chevy dealership manager and beat it out of him......you saved me a trip. :iceslolan

my room-mate says cobolt is a color too lol, she said its called cobolt blue...im glad shes a chick because thats a bit feminine like to know :iceslolan

Next time I buy a female something ill make sure its colored cobalt blue.....Thanks for the tip Philly RS
GIRLS BE RUNNING AT ME NOW!!!!

Im going for 400 tonight.....

lmao thats funny as hell, im sure u will impress some chick with that bit of knowledge! :greddy2: