10 Rice Commandments

Damn so many idiots have come into this forum lately... I read a lot of crap and all i gotta say is -- DAMN. Got a little bored tonight so I decided to write something up for these idiots that think they're hot shit in their A4 altezza civics with fart pipes and home-made stickers on them.


1. Thee displacement plus compression with good flow equals power (with the exception of really high boosts wich YOU dont have the money to run).

2. Front Wheel Drive: the faster you goeth, the lesseth traction yee have.

3. Thou shall NEVER beat a V8 with something that has less displacement as long as both engines have roughly the same modifications unless the driver is intoxicated or not even racing.

4. Thou shall not sticker your vehicle.

5. Thou Honda shall be slow unless yee haveth 20-30 grand to waste on an econo box.

6. Money equals speed and vice versa.

7. Thou are not a "street racer," unless thou are severely ill in the head.

8. Thou shall not come up with street racing stories just to look cool.

9. Thou will cease comparing economy and family import cars to any real sports cars.

10. Thou will learn to drive stick shift; and with smooth shifting and syncronized simultaneous acceleration/declutching as to not make me puke when you give me a ride to school because I made you my Bitch of the Week.



I had some other good ones but whatever keep adding them!

You calling my story fake?That viper had no change against my civic ex with a custom cat back.
It's an Outrage I say an Outrage!!!:eek:

Originally posted by AlexB
1. Thee displacement plus compression with good flow equals power (with the exception of really high boosts wich YOU dont have the money to run).

2. Front Wheel Drive: the faster you goeth, the lesseth traction yee have.

3. Thou shall NEVER beat a V8 with something that has less displacement as long as both engines have roughly the same modifications unless the driver is intoxicated or not even racing.

4. Thou shall not sticker your vehicle.

5. Thou Honda shall be slow unless yee haveth 20-30 grand to waste on an econo box.

6. Money equals speed and vice versa.

7. Thou are not a "street racer," unless thou are severely ill in the head.

8. Thou shall not come up with street racing stories just to look cool.

9. Thou will cease comparing economy and family import cars to any real sports cars.

10. Thou will learn to drive stick shift; and with smooth shifting and syncronized simultaneous acceleration/declutching as to not make me puke when you give me a ride to school because I made you my Bitch of the Week.



I had some other good ones but whatever keep adding them!

okay now my arguments to these...
1. true, EXCEPT for technology. tech can make up for a higher displacement, but lesser techologically advanced. case in point: late 80s chevy 350, roughly 200 hp. modern honda prelude, roughly 200 hp. both stock.

2.ture, no argument. thats why i got awd.

3.i beat v8s with MUCH MORE modifications than i have on a weekly basis in my stock 4 cylinder.

4.that all depends on personal taste. i dont mind a few stickers (of products u actually have) but dont go overboard. however its their car, and of they wanna sticker it up then go for it.

5.93 civic hatchback=$1200, b18c1 powerplant from wrecked gsr=$1000, various bolt ons and other engine mods(headers, intake, open b pipe, crank pulley, flywheel, clutch, fuel pump, injectors, cams, cam gears, ported head, ignition, fuel pressure riser)=$2000, 120 shot of nitrous=$600, 2 e/t drag slicks=$200. that adds up to a $5000 12 second car, not just barely 12s either, WELL into the 12s.

6.true again, no argument

7.there are different types of "street racing". replace the words "street racer" with "traffic racer" and ill have no argument.

8.true again, no argument

9.true again, but that goes both ways, meaning domestic guys should stop comparing camaros and corvettes to civics and accords and saying imports suck because of that. compare them to a REAL import sports car and u got a fair comparison.

10.true again, except I AINT YO BITCH FOO'! :finger: :D

This is for all the kids.

Commandment #11:
Get rid of the fart muffler, you're not faster with it.

Commandment #12:
Stop spending Daddy's money on a stupid Honda. Sink the money
into a Camaro or a T/A and get some REAL power.

:bloated: :alien:

Originally posted by student_anonymous
This is for all the kids.

Commandment #11:
Get rid of the fart muffler, you're not faster with it.

Commandment #12:
Stop spending Daddy's money on a stupid Honda. Sink the money
into a Camaro or a T/A and get some REAL power.

:bloated: :alien:

11.i dont think my muffler makes me faster at all, but it looks better than the stock one. i also dont like the chainsaw sound, thankfully my flat 2.5 sounds a lot deeper and rumbly, more v8ish than 4 cylinderish. but even so i keep the silencer in it most of the time.

12.i spend my OWN money on my car than has beaten a few camaros and t/a's

Originally posted by ldelaysionl


okay now my arguments to these...
1. true, EXCEPT for technology. tech can make up for a higher displacement, but lesser techologically advanced. case in point: late 80s chevy 350, roughly 200 hp. modern honda prelude, roughly 200 hp. both stock.


3.i beat v8s with MUCH MORE modifications than i have on a weekly basis in my stock 4 cylinder.






Ok for your number 1... those cars had a shitty power beacause of no compression due to emmission regulations. That's why i said displacement PLUS compression and flow equals power... Oh yea and "tech" is in new muscle cars too buddy. But what kind of tech are you talking about? Look at a Chevy LS6 making 405hp stock. You cant freaking compare a 70's small block with a 90's high compression rice engine that's nearing its maximum potential.

For number 3, what "stock" 4 cylinder car are you running and what modified V8 are you running against?

And I meant most of the stuff in general terms not cut and dry becuase obviously if you want to throw money on stuff like traction you can get it on fwd. And the sticker thing, yes I agree some is alright but not the ones that go apeshit with vinyl.

Oh yea and I'd love to know where you find a 93 civic for $1300 and no I'm sorry nitrous is a ghetto way out. You're going to need at least a T3/T4 and some 10.5:1 compression pistons on that civic buddy running race gas. Obviously if you need an engine swap to make your car go fast, that's SORRY. I'd rather swap my car than the engine in it... and I know all these kids that think they're running 12's but they're actually in the 15's.

:smoka:

As far as I can remember, displacement's dominated at the track.

i got a couple...

13. Thou shalt not port and polish they exhaust tip
14. Thou shalt not spit on another car just because it's rice, we're all import fans together ---- rice or not

3.i beat v8s with MUCH MORE modifications than i have on a weekly basis in my stock 4 cylinder.

5.93 civic hatchback=$1200, b18c1 powerplant from wrecked gsr=$1000, various bolt ons and other engine mods(headers, intake, open b pipe, crank pulley, flywheel, clutch, fuel pump, injectors, cams, cam gears, ported head, ignition, fuel pressure riser)=$2000, 120 shot of nitrous=$600, 2 e/t drag slicks=$200. that adds up to a $5000 12 second car, not just barely 12s either, WELL into the 12s.


First oh number 3 i think you just proved AlexB right. The drivers of the V8's are either drunk or not raceing or bad drivers. I'm sorry there are NO STOCK 4 cylinders that could beat a V8
As for number 5, show me the sites or the catalogs to get headers, intake, open b pipe, crank pulley, flywheel, clutch, fuel pump, injectors, cams, cam gears, ported head, ignition, and fuel pressure riser all for $2000. might want to go back to basics of math.

Anyway why would you want to do an engine swap and totally rebuild the engine when you can get a V8 and just improve flow a little and BANG you're done.

yeah i know modern v8s will beat most modern 4 cylinders, but thats why i said technology, a modern 4 cylinder can beat a lot of 80s v8s.

about 5:00 this afternoon i raced a chevy truck with a 350 swapped in, flowtech headers, k&n air filter, crane cams, and a welded rear end, i beat him by 1 1/2 lengths, its the 6th or 7th time ive beat this guy. i have an air intake and a universal muffler on a stock catback piping. i beat a lot of v8 trucks and older v8 camaros and mustangs with more mods than i have.

when i traded in my 93 civic hatchback the trade in value for it was $1200 so thats where i got my numbers on that. u cant get all those parts new for $2000, but some shopping around on ebay and stuff and its possible. even if you bought them all new its still gonna be less than $4000, so $7000 total for a 12 second import. also when i named those prices it was doing all the installation myslef and even porting the heads myself. as for the open b pipe, just run open headers.

Trucks are heavy. AND LIKE I SAID, late 70's and 80's V8's WERE SLOW BECAUSE THEY HAD LOW COMPRESSION. That's like saying I can beat a model T on my bicycle. And is your impreza isn't turbo right? Well anyway what is it like 200hp?++ Add that with AWD and of course you're going to smoke a lot of stuff out there especially if they're heavy or the driver isnt that great.

im not writing anyone off, or dissing anything or anyone, but i have been reading too much import vs domestic stuff on this board and i think its about time i put my 2 cents in, some of these replys may be just as stupid as the statements but i dont care, as the saying goes a stupid question deserves a stupid answer.

as for my view on rice, imports and domestics, i respect all cars, i prefere imports though because there style apeals to me more and i see them as a good challenge to get them to beat v8s.


i dont mind a showcar that has clearys a rear spoiler lowered exhust, but if it is set up to LOOK fast as if its king shit on the road but the guy hasnt even modded the engine or races it then i find something wrong with that.

and there is a reason for a "fart pipe", it adds anywhere from 5-50HP and it can give u better milage, in australia alot of cars, including some family cars have aftermarket exhusts fitted.

1. Thee displacement plus compression with good flow equals power (with the exception of really high boosts wich YOU dont have the money to run).

boost cant be as expensive as the petrol the v8 drinks over afew years time, and turbo is a cheap and good way to get horsepower

2. Front Wheel Drive: the faster you goeth, the lesseth traction yee have.

actually the faster you accelerate the less traction u have.

3. Thou shall NEVER beat a V8 with something that has less displacement as long as both engines have roughly the same modifications unless the driver is intoxicated or not even racing.

not true, displacement isnt everything, 4bangers are lighter, more agile, less sluggish, more like a motorbike, and everyone knows motor bikes are faster than cars, but they dont have much displacement.

4. Thou shall not sticker your vehicle.
should i take off the badges aswell?, stickers can make a car look nice, just cause it doesnt suit your tastes doesnt mean you gotta be against it

5. Thou Honda shall be slow unless yee haveth 20-30 grand to waste on an econo box.

what about an engine replacement or turbo.

6. Money equals speed and vice versa.
obviously

7. Thou are not a "street racer," unless thou are severely ill in the head.
if you race in the street your a streetracer.

8. Thou shall not come up with street racing stories just to look cool.
unless there true


9. Thou will cease comparing economy and family import cars to any real sports cars.
though shalt cease comparing v8s with 4bangers

i really cant understand the point of comparing domestics and imports, there 2 dif classes, yes they can race, any of them is capable of winning, it all depends on the engine and mods and condition of the car not the displacement, even though displacement is pretty important.

why not compare GT cars and F1 cars.

u didnt say v8 cars, u said v8's. so i said i can beat a lot of v8s. i can beat v8 crown victorias too.

:) Well this big crane from NASA that carries the space shuttle to the launch pad has something like 200 or more V12s in it. I raced that in my Adidas 10.5s and smoked it by 2 rocket-lengths. Damn I'm fast.

The more displacement you have, the more the modifications will effect the performance.

Let's take a look at what displacement means... it means you will have more air and more fuel in your engine. This can also be achieved by turbocharging or supercharging.

Now I dont understand why the hell you would compare a modified engine to a non modified engine. Throw some turbos on the V8.... blow 15psi on a 2L engine and on a 5.7L engine. Which one will have more power? No import will ever touch something like a drag domestic. I've seen drag imports get into 8's. Well the record is somewhere in the low 4's and it sure as hell wasnt with a civic on FWD.

I'm not saying a 4 banger cant go fast. I'm saying V8's have way more potential. If you know what you're doing and you have the money, you can make them fly but they will still plateau off somewhere because of their lack of displacement.

i know displacement is important, but im saying that its not the end-all thing. blow 20 psi through a supercharger on a 8.0 liter v8 and i can whoop it if u put that v8 in a 40,000 pound dump truck.

i guess im saying with a 4 cylinder the idea isnt to make more power than a v8, of course the bigger displacement motor can make more power! but with the small displacement motor u try to make enough hp that the lighter weight and better traction helps u win anyway. now i say better traction cuz if a 400hp 4 cylinder and a 600hp v8 have the same tires, the 4 cylinder will have better traction just cuz of less power, then once that better traction gets it moving, the lighter weight takes over. well its not really better traction, but harder to break traction.

dont look at rice boys and think thats all imports have to offer. i hate rice boys cuz they make the rest of us import guys look bad.

hmmmmm well alexb is sayin all this because the cars that the japanese has been bringing to america are jokes. the only true sports cars to come from japan is the 3000gt vr4, the rx-7, nsx, wrx, supra mark IV TT. i'm pretty sure alexB has raced a few of them and realizes that they're no joke and that they probrably scared you alittle that they might actually beat you. but i understand why you feel this way. its casue the cars that the japanese has been brining out lately are just badd~~ but you just wait till the evo7 and the sti to come out this october, and the new nissan 350z and the RX-8. then we'll have some real japanese sports cars back in the scene.

Hey the last comment made is stupid as fuck. I'm into both imports and domestics. However for something like professional drag, imports can't face up. I'm not dissing imports I'm stating some physical properties of engines. I'd love nothing more than a hooked up Supra or a 3 rotor RX7.

ALSO

A 400hp 4 banger will not beat a 600hp V8... do your math there buddy. Especially since the 400hp 4 banger wont have as much torque. I'm not dissing imports I'm dissing RICERS. Sheesh damn! You guys are putting words into my mouth here! :)

By the way both the Z and the RX8 will be naturally aspired. And about the earlier comment, you need less power for traction!?!? Since when was less power good for drag?!? Also, by the time the 4 banger gets going the 8cyl car just ran a high 10 sec 1/4 mile.

Yo , i just have reminded of a 4 banger that probably is capable of outrunning most V8 passenger cars , it's the porsche 968 turbo S , stock with 305 hp , 3.0 4 cylinder with single turbo... They made only 12 of them thought , but i think it could beat a stock camaro or firebird or mustang or automatic vette etc.

Originally posted by Tom_S8
Yo , i just have reminded of a 4 banger that probably is capable of outrunning most V8 passenger cars , it's the porsche 968 turbo S , stock with 305 hp , 3.0 4 cylinder with single turbo... They made only 12 of them thought , but i think it could beat a stock camaro or firebird or mustang or automatic vette etc.

Man that's stupid. Of course there's gonna be an $80k 4 banger out there that's going to beat some V8's. They only made 12 of them -- you cant really call that a production car. I don't think it would beat an LS6 though. But kraut on man! Nice taste of cars there.

Comparing V8's to 4cyl's is like comparing apples to oranges. They are 2 different things.


those cars had a shitty power beacause of no compression due to emmission regulations. That's why i said displacement PLUS compression and flow equals power... Oh yea and "tech" is in new muscle cars too buddy. But what kind of tech are you talking about? Look at a Chevy LS6 making 405hp stock. You cant freaking compare a 70's small block with a 90's high compression rice engine that's nearing its maximum potential.

Exactly. They are just not comparible. Take my car for example. When I bought it, it had a 305ci V8 putting out around 170hp/200lb-ft. This car weights almost 4K pounds, so it wasnt going anywhere in a hurry. But ppl saw the big V8 when I lifted the hood and they were all proud when they raced me and won with almost any low displacement car. The car was not designed for hp, it was designed to meet high emission standards, and it did that.

Since that, It has had an engine swap, and soon to have another.

And "Tech" can be applied to any car. I have higher compression, aftermarket i/h/e , ignition, etc...

Im not trying to say anything one way or the other. I just dont think an import can be directly compared with a domestic.

Originally posted by AlexB
Hey the last comment made is stupid as fuck. I'm into both imports and domestics. However for something like professional drag, imports can't face up. I'm not dissing imports I'm stating some physical properties of engines. I'd love nothing more than a hooked up Supra or a 3 rotor RX7.

ALSO

A 400hp 4 banger will not beat a 600hp V8... do your math there buddy. Especially since the 400hp 4 banger wont have as much torque. I'm not dissing imports I'm dissing RICERS. Sheesh damn! You guys are putting words into my mouth here! :)

i didnt say a 400hp 4 cylinder will beat a 600hp v8 cuz thats the same as saying a 4 cylinder cant beat a v8 stock, which is what u said earlier. EVERY CAR IS DIFFERENT! u cant just say something like that it wont apply to every car. but i know if u put 400hp in my 1100 pound honda and 600hp in my dads 9,000 pound 4x4 f-250 the 400 hp car will win, see what i mean? and youre right the 400hp motor wont have as much torque, but it will still win.

rx7's can hit 7's on 700hp, if properly built. u say thats not facing up to professional drag? domestics have had over 50 years to get their drag racing together, give the imports time, were only just now starting to see true import funny cars, give them some time and then well see if they can cut it at the top level.

u say youre not dissing on imports, well im not dissing v8s here, im just saying u cant generalize by saying things like "a 4 cylinder will never beat a v8 with the same mods" because there are a LOT of other factors involved.

as for less power meaning better traction, i didnt mean it would actually have better traction, i meant it would be harder to spin the tires, leaving more room for error on your launch, nobodys perfect, and nobody can do a perfect launch. but if u DO make a mistake and give it too much throttle, having less hp will make it less of a catastrophic mistake.

Stop the stupid Import vs. Domestic crap... it's 4 v 8. 1.3L twin rotor rotary is the equivalent of a v6 or small v8 in the Wankel world. In the drag versions I'm pretty sure they're using a huge 3 rotor engine, which is massive for a rotary. Notice how NONE of the good drag-worthy import sports cars are i4. They're all i6, v6, or rotary; and they have massive twin turbos on them.

Originally posted by ldelaysionl
i guess im saying with a 4 cylinder the idea isnt to make more power than a v8, of course the bigger displacement motor can make more power! but with the small displacement motor u try to make enough hp that the lighter weight and better traction helps u win anyway.


This is a good point. IMO An engine with a massive amount of torque is harder to launch than one with less torque. Lets face it, a perfect launch is hard to do. An engine with less torque is a little bit more forgiving off the line.



Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
this thread is pure gay ..... :finger4: :finger4:

:rolleyes:

contribute something to the thread, or dont post at all.

rice commandments ios gonna seperate the forums population again
this is gonna cause more pain and anguish
than any of the crap i posted


can you add you shall not attach supra wings to anything other than a supra

WHAT?!?!? I can't believe the shit I'm hearing. You guys obviously need to learn about cars. Torque IS what gets you started... whether you burn out or not in the process can be fixed. Just because you don't burn out doesnt mean you'll have a good launch. Also, I'd rather burn out with 600ft lbs of torque than not burn out because my engine is too weak. Anyway, FWD is bullshit when it comes to traction on hard acceleration.

I think you must have forgotten what torque is... it's the power your engine puts out while HP Is how fast it can put it out. THINK ABOUT THAT.

If car A and B both have the same specs but car B has 200ft lbs more torque, it will have a better launch and win.

Also, if you're having trouble launching something with a lot of torque, it's the driver's fault not the car's. That's stupid to say that it's the car's fault that the driver cant handle the power.

Stop the flaming and go make your San Francisco treat.

Originally posted by AlexB
WHAT?!?!? I can't believe the shit I'm hearing. You guys obviously need to learn about cars. Torque IS what gets you started... whether you burn out or not in the process can be fixed. Just because you don't burn out doesnt mean you'll have a good launch. Also, I'd rather burn out with 600ft lbs of torque than not burn out because my engine is too weak. Anyway, FWD is bullshit when it comes to traction on hard acceleration.

I think you must have forgotten what torque is... it's the power your engine puts out while HP Is how fast it can put it out. THINK ABOUT THAT.

If car A and B both have the same specs but car B has 200ft lbs more torque, it will have a better launch and win.

torque is twisting power retard and horse power is work/time divided by the work and time of a horse = pulling power over time

Go learn your physics. Torque is the twisting power of course... HP comes out of an equation in which you put torque and RPM in. It's basically how fast you can apply that torque, or power. Like I said, torque is the power and HP is how fast you can apply it.

WD/t


i do physics moron

work multipied by distance divided by time then divided by the horses amount it has nothing to do with fucking Torque or RPM'S retard OMG

"OK, so what about power? As has been noted by a previous contributor, Power (hp) = Torque (ft-lb) * RPM / 5252. "


What now? You DO know how to read a formula right? All little engines can do is rev like a mofo that's why you get those hp figures.

What you want is torque at high RPM's.

Work = mass multiplied by acceleration


KW/H

Work x Distance (traveled)
_____________________

time (hours)

then you take the answer and divided the KW/H for a horse and then you get Horse power don't talk to me about physics you fucking tard

Who's the fucking moron?

Originally posted by AlexB
"OK, so what about power? As has been noted by a previous contributor, Power (hp) = Torque (ft-lb) * RPM / 5252. "


What now? You DO know how to read a formula right? All little engines can do is rev like a mofo that's why you get those hp figures.

What you want is torque at high RPM's.


a formula one engine puts out 800hp its revs upto 17000 rpm it goes like shit off a shovel because of the high rpms the fucking engine may not have Torque its spins alot faster

Dude you're not talking about work... you need to go back to school. Work is NOT mass multiplied by acceleration. Work is force times distance... force is mass times acceleration. Get your facts straight.

Torque is the work... hp is how fast you can use that work.

Dude last time I checked Honda doesn't put their Formula 1 engine in the civic. Please let me know when they do though as I would like to get my hands one one of those.

This is real easy.

No replacement for displacement.
HP sells cars, torque wins races.

If any of you "import" guys ever drove a built v8 car, you'd sell that slow shit and join the big boys real fast.

lol alex is right, im taking physics class, ur right alex he is a fucking moron, probably took integrated science witht hte other tards and prolly dropped out of high school

you rice people are soo funny!

unit of power in the English system of units. It is equal to 33,000 foot-pounds per minute or 550 foot-pounds per second or approximately 746 watts. The term horsepower originated with James Watt, who determined by experiment that a horse could do 33,000 foot-pounds of work a minute in drawing coal from a coal pit


i just did an oral report on James Watt last week, maybe that helps?

Yep yep and "foot-pounds" is a measure of torque.

Originally posted by AlexB
Dude you're not talking about work... you need to go back to school. Work is NOT mass multiplied by acceleration. Work is force times distance... force is mass times acceleration. Get your facts straight.

Torque is the work... hp is how fast you can use that work.


mass is measured in Newtons fucking force is aswell so it can be substitued

F=MA W=FD ok fine

P=W/t

and then you do the horse bit but horse power still has nothing to do with torque and rpms

fuck i checked myself FUCK


hp is still related to W/T tho

Originally posted by 90notch
This is real easy.

No replacement for displacement.
HP sells cars, torque wins races.

If any of you "import" guys ever drove a built v8 car, you'd sell that slow shit and join the big boys real fast.


This is so true, the big V8 of true American muscle will always be able to outdo ANY 4 or 6 cylinder on the planet as long as their is enough intelligence and money thrown in...

Haha it's ok man. Happens...

Originally posted by BigBlock454


This is so true, the big V8 of true American muscle will always be able to outdo ANY 4 or 6 cylinder on the planet as long as their is enough intelligence and money thrown in...

any four cylinder? ey i don't think you have written that correctly

as Top Secret ported an MR2 enigne into a Supra and gave it a huge turbo 820hp

and their Silvia is 800hp = 4 cylinder

and the no replacement for displacement is bullshit

turbos can boost the power phenominally when it comes to that sort of thing so don't talk out of your ass

and why on earth do you make me do this 6 cylinders ? are you referring to skylines per chance ? i think you're a moron don't count cars like this out just because you're scarred of these vehicles ?
http://www.exvitermini.com

Ok, this is getting out of hand.

Ok, so big block v8's are more powerful then smaller 4 bangers, who gaives a damn? because of things like turbos and other things YES a 4 cylinder will compete in drag races, it will keep up with any other domestic big block, which is a damn admirable feat considering the domestics are designed for drag racing and imports aren't.

I mean if you ever goto to Japan, the place where these cars are designed and made, you will never EVER see anyone drag racing in them. They use them for STREET racing, races that actually involve turning and require your car to handle well. Would you want to try and go down a twisting moutain pass at 100 mph in a 3-4000lbs 600ft-lbs of torque domestic that starts to body roll when you take a sharp turn at 70mph? I sure as hell wouldn't.

I'm currently trying to decide on a first car, if i was actually interested in anyway in drag racing(no offense, i jsut don't see that fun of driving in a straight line for a couple of seconds) then i would find myself a nice mid to late 60's vette and spend a summer building it up, spending probably no more then like $5-10,000 on extras before getting a car that will rape all but the fastest of opponents on the drag strip. However i don't want to drag race, i want a car that handles well and can drift around a turn without rolling.

Thats why I'm looking at early 90's Rx-7's, MR2's, and if i might be so lucky as to have the guy out by the mall sell it to me, possibly a corolla sprinter.

Sure it costs a hell of a lot more to make a good import drag car, it's because they're not designed for drag racing, they're designed for cornering and handling. I mean you buy yourself a POS civic and it'll cost ya probably $30,000 to make it run like a 10 sec quarter, quite possibly a lot more then that actually. However, spend about 5 or 6 grand pumping it's power up to about 200+ HP then spend a couple of grand on some suspension upgrades and you've got yourself a great handling car.

Like the old saying goes, Money equals speed. Since most people don't have the money to blow on building up a 9 sec. civic, then if you want to drag race, buy something that's practical and designed for it, an old vette is a great choice. If you want to buy an import, then don't waste money and the car on something as dumb as drag racing with it, use it for what it was designed for, HANDLING. Learn to really drive, not just hold the steering wheel straight and let the automatic take care of the rest, practice cornering and actually learn what you car is made for.

Well, i'm done. Hope i didn't offend anyone. Oh yeah, and just to cause more arguing, um...i mean discussion...isn't the current drag champion a 4-banger?(an AWD Talon if i'm not mistaken).

Originally posted by CAptynCrunch
Ok, this is getting out of hand.

Ok, so big block v8's are more powerful then smaller 4 bangers, who gaives a damn? because of things like turbos and other things YES a 4 cylinder will compete in drag races, it will keep up with any other domestic big block, which is a damn admirable feat considering the domestics are designed for drag racing and imports aren't.

I mean if you ever goto to Japan, the place where these cars are designed and made, you will never EVER see anyone drag racing in them. They use them for STREET racing, races that actually involve turning and require your car to handle well. Would you want to try and go down a twisting moutain pass at 100 mph in a 3-4000lbs 600ft-lbs of torque domestic that starts to body roll when you take a sharp turn at 70mph? I sure as hell wouldn't.

I'm currently trying to decide on a first car, if i was actually interested in anyway in drag racing(no offense, i jsut don't see that fun of driving in a straight line for a couple of seconds) then i would find myself a nice mid to late 60's vette and spend a summer building it up, spending probably no more then like $5-10,000 on extras before getting a car that will rape all but the fastest of opponents on the drag strip. However i don't want to drag race, i want a car that handles well and can drift around a turn without rolling.

Thats why I'm looking at early 90's Rx-7's, MR2's, and if i might be so lucky as to have the guy out by the mall sell it to me, possibly a corolla sprinter.

Sure it costs a hell of a lot more to make a good import drag car, it's because they're not designed for drag racing, they're designed for cornering and handling. I mean you buy yourself a POS civic and it'll cost ya probably $30,000 to make it run like a 10 sec quarter, quite possibly a lot more then that actually. However, spend about 5 or 6 grand pumping it's power up to about 200+ HP then spend a couple of grand on some suspension upgrades and you've got yourself a great handling car.

Like the old saying goes, Money equals speed. Since most people don't have the money to blow on building up a 9 sec. civic, then if you want to drag race, buy something that's practical and designed for it, an old vette is a great choice. If you want to buy an import, then don't waste money and the car on something as dumb as drag racing with it, use it for what it was designed for, HANDLING. Learn to really drive, not just hold the steering wheel straight and let the automatic take care of the rest, practice cornering and actually learn what you car is made for.

Well, i'm done. Hope i didn't offend anyone. Oh yeah, and just to cause more arguing, um...i mean discussion...isn't the current drag champion a 4-banger?(an AWD Talon if i'm not mistaken).


this guy knows his shit

a 4-cyl can comete with a fully built big block on the dragstrip? are you on crack?

find me a car DOCUMENTED ON THE INTERNET THAT I CAN SEE that can reliably run over 200 passes down the 1/4 in at least the 7's naturally aspirated (that means no turbos, pal). my friends family drag races compeitively (their site is www.siracing.com ) and their new top dog car is a 2000 Camaro with a 565ci big block putting out 1,032 HP and 816 lb/ft. it runs 7's with out the NOS Pro Fogger system that they recently hooked up to put it into the mid 6's. show me a drag racing 4-cyl that can run 7's without forced induction, and then i will believe that they are equals with the almighty Chevy big block. they also have a '67 Camaro, and a recently sold '67 Nova that all ran well into the 9's without power adders. Mike is also currently building a top fuel dragster as we speak.... and as far as streetable big blocks go, i cruise every friday night in the summer with a '70 Chevelle that runs mid 9's off of a 468BB, a '63 Nova that runs low 10's off a small block 350, and a '69 Dart that runs 10's off a small block 350. keep in mind that these are all cars that i personally know. i don't personally know a single 4 or 6 cyl that has broken past mid 13's on the quarter mile.

hell, can any of your 4-bangers run faster than my 11-sec pass on the 1/4?

i'm not saying that 4's are worse than big blocks, it's just that on the strip, they can't compete.

i will agree with captyncrunch on the fact that bumping an imp. up to 200 hp, and modding the suspension is the way to go... it'll burn up pretty much any big block you can throw at it as long as there aren't any long straights betweent the turns...

Originally posted by 90notch
This is real easy.

No replacement for displacement.
HP sells cars, torque wins races.

If any of you "import" guys ever drove a built v8 car, you'd sell that slow shit and join the big boys real fast.

"hp sells cars, torque wins races"??? wtf???

so my dads turbo deisel f-250 4x4 with 185hp and 300something lb-ft of torque will kick a lot of cars asses then huh? and those little mercedes deisel cars with 120hp and 260lb-ft of torque will waste a lot of cars too huh? man my car with 170lb-ft of torque will waste both of those really badly...

oh and yeah ive driven my cousins 68 camaro with a 454 bored .030 over, yeah his car runs 9.7's through the 1000ft and will lay 80 ft black marks with both tires on 9 inch mickey thompson slicks, but guess what, i may like his car but im sure as hell not gonna buy one. get on ANY type of corners or ANY type of loose surface and my STOCK car will waste his. if u ever tried to drive one of your big blocks on a road course maybe youd understand why people like imports... hmm my STOCK station wagon beat a 2001 camaro ss by over 3 seconds at the last autocross i went to, guess torque didnt win that race did it?

Originally posted by AlexB
Also, if you're having trouble launching something with a lot of torque, it's the driver's fault not the car's. That's stupid to say that it's the car's fault that the driver cant handle the power.

Stop the flaming and go make your San Francisco treat.

well no shit it would be the drivers fault but what matters is whether or not there is a problem, not whose fault it is. the perfect launch can only be executed by a perfect driver, but nobody, and i mean nobody, is a perfect driver. the fact is its easier to launch something with less torque, and the easier it is to launch something, the easier it is to get (close to) a perfect launch.

Originally posted by AlexB
[BAll little engines can do is rev like a mofo that's why you get those hp figures.

What you want is torque at high RPM's. [/B]

hmm im glad to hear that cuz my little engine makes MORE torque than it does horsepower. soooooo i guess u didnt really prove anything with that one, except that u dont know anything about small displacement engines.

:finger: Heres why..... my car.. a 2001 toyota celica gts 1.8 liter 4 cyl. makes 209 hp and 159 ft. lbs. of torque and compression isnt a big problem either.. it does 11.5:1 compression non turbo by the way as for mods k&n filter and a "fart muffler" ( which gives me 15 lbs of torque and 19 hp). oh and a low top speed of 158.7mph in under 45 seconds. you wont catch me and if you want to see my car better not blink when i blow by your Camaro/Rustang or whatever waste of gas low resale value P.O.S. v8 your driving.:finger: smoke one for me:bandit:


www.nextcelica.org

a stock camaro ss will waste a stock celica gts so dont get too cocky. so will a mustang cobra. hell a regular z28 would probably do the job.

so ..... fuck you and the beauty of all wheel drive:flipa:

your sportin a wagon ... thats fast ... dont spill the grocerys or let the kids fly out the window of your fast station wagon

:greenchai : lol i fuckin got you sorry dude that was below the belt with the wagon thing when your done "whoopin" my ass will you take me to the store so i can get a few things .. cause my celicas not really a good grocery getter ..... thanks Jc



To everyone else reading this ... you know this guy is mad.. i got him good:zx11pissed :