Camaro SS VS Mustang Cobra

Stock for stock, the SS and the '03 cobra are running pretty close from what i've seen. But of course the f-body is gone, so its kinda a moot point now.

Originally posted by -cy-
Stock for stock, the SS and the '03 cobra are running pretty close from what i've seen. But of course the f-body is gone, so its kinda a moot point now.

Every GM fan knows that there will be another fbod. They just need alittle time.

Originally posted by pontiactrac


Every GM fan knows that there will be another fbod. They just need alittle time.


I'm brand loyal, but no way am i sticking with a company so much as waiting for them to get off their ass to make something i want. If ford is the only company making a car i want when i'm in the market, then i'm going to ford. If GM comes out with something that is worth my $$$, then i'll go with them.

"Stock for stock, the SS and the '03 cobra are running pretty close from what i've seen. But of course the f-body is gone, so its kinda a moot point now." -cy-
You couldnt be more wrong. Its not even a contest the cobra beats it stock, read this 1 of many articles on the new cobra

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0208mmff_deathmatch/

And for those who think that 4.6 modular mustangs need blowers to go fast, take a look at the new mach 1, 13.1 stock the automatic ran a 13.5

read:http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0303MM_Mach1/

Originally posted by benroliver
"Stock for stock, the SS and the '03 cobra are running pretty close from what i've seen. But of course the f-body is gone, so its kinda a moot point now." -cy-
You couldnt be more wrong. Its not even a contest the cobra beats it stock, read this 1 of many articles on the new cobra

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0208mmff_deathmatch/

And for those who think that 4.6 modular mustangs need blowers to go fast, take a look at the new mach 1, 13.1 stock the automatic ran a 13.5

read:http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0303MM_Mach1/


HAHAHA, look at the damn address "muscle mustang fast fords", kinda seems...one sided. From what i've seen, and heard (even from people on the net), people are running comperable times, all in all it could go either way. If you REALLY wanna get into it, lets look at prices, $$ for times. The LS1 can be had for MUCH cheaper, but that isn't the point. Stock for stock, they aren't far apart, more often than not stock for stock, it'll be between drivers.

Your an absolute moron. Read the fucking articles, they are not biased at all, i wouldn't use them to prove a point if i thought they were biased.
Numbers dont like a 390 hp mustang will rape a 325 horse comaro. Its that simple, and money wise, u can get the mach1 for 29 and it runs a 13.1 stock, and the cobra is 1grand more than the aniversery ss.

Cobra weighs more, and doesn't put down 390rwhp, LS1's put down around 310-320rwhp stock. Here is another thing, a Z28 will put down basically the same numbers as the SS, but the Z28 can be had for low 20's...like 22k or so.

From times i've seen, from Cobra owners times on the net (knowing that a lot of net numbers are inflated), the stock cobra and stock camaro's are running around the same times. Realistically, since almost no LS1's can be had for new, then the LS1 is gonna be a lot cheaper, even though its used it'll be cheaper than a used cobra. Ya, there are reasons of that.

Originally posted by benroliver
Your an absolute moron. Read the fucking articles, they are not biased at all, i wouldn't use them to prove a point if i thought they were biased.
Numbers dont like a 390 hp mustang will rape a 325 horse comaro. Its that simple, and money wise, u can get the mach1 for 29 and it runs a 13.1 stock, and the cobra is 1grand more than the aniversery ss.

390hp mustang MIGHT beat a 325hp camaro. Great win there!!!! Dude, ur talking about a difference of 65 more horsepower in the cobra's favor. Most superchargers don't even put out that much. It should be expected to win! And do you really think that this SS vs Cobra comparison would have lasted as a question this long if one article told the answer to which is faster... If that was the case and everyone knew the answer, there would be no debate at all!!! I have read articles that have said that the SS is faster and somet that were like ur's. The real point here is though, if you are gona run the two models with the same horsepower. (With the camaro modded to 390,) take a guess who would prob win then??? I guarantee the f-body would have a much better power to weight ratio. And then take a look at the aerodynamics of the cobra, and then the camaro. Starting to get it yet??? And then to finish the case... there's also the money issue which i believe was already braught up. :D

As you can see, the person above seems to have a brand loyalty, or something of the like (pontiac), no offense though.



Everyone and their brother will have their own opinion. The f-body is lighter, but less power, the cobra has more power but is heavier.


I get attacked whenever i say that both cars are great, and it just comes down personal preference (brand loyalty or what have you). I really don't understand how someone can jump on me for saying that. It can be argued both ways, you can argue that either car is better, and no one will win in the end.

It makes no sense to even really compare the '03 Cobra to the '02 SS by factory specs. The Cobra has the 390 supercharged hp, while the SS is pure engine. Thats the problem with Ford all they do is say lets just put this supercharger on everything to get more power. Chevy actually uses the engine to make power. This sounds bias, and partially is, but I have talked to several Ford guys, who live and die by ford, who think the same thing. Now if you go back to the late '90s I remember Motor Trend imparticular doing a performance match up b/w a T/A, Z28, and a Cobra and the Z28 and T/A tore it up. That seems pretty sad that the Cobra was aimed at the SS yet competed against the lower models.

The SS is basically a Z28, there really isn't much difference between them. So it really doesn't matter which one you compare really, but i guess the SS will run slightly faster if anything b/c the lid and ok exhaust...anyways.


It doesn't really matter how the ford makes power, when you roll up next to it on the street or track, you run what you brung. If you make power from a hamster on a wheel (honda) and beat someone, thats what matters.

Ok the cobra is faster, its been established. Compare it to the mach 1 which is cheaper than the ss. It runs a 13.1 stock on street tires and is not supercharged and fully loaded at 29grand.

Since when has it been proven?! You are one of those idiots that won't settle with a sensible answer, it has to be all your way...even though most logical people would say otherwise.

The cobra is RATED at 390, that is rated at the flywheel, and Ford isn't too far off, people on the net in general (net = inflated numbers) say they are putting 380rwhp or so with a few mods. The SS is rated at 325 at the flywheel, and puts around 320 at the wheels depending (there are weak and strong ones out there). There are weight differences as well as other things that SLIGHTLY (don't freak out over this) the f-body. All in all, the car with the better driver is going to win.

On the dyno, sure, the cobra will beat out the SS. If you wanna be an ass about things, lets just take a peek at when kinda recalls ford has on their cars...and the cobra.

Originally posted by -cy-
The SS is basically a Z28, there really isn't much difference between them. So it really doesn't matter which one you compare really, but i guess the SS will run slightly faster if anything b/c the lid and ok exhaust...anyways.

It basically is the same car... but remember, tenths of seconds can make a difference of a win or loss

and benrolover, it hasn't been proven yet, so many sources say different things, and your obviously not a professional considering the replies you posted previously

Ya, but there still isn't a large difference between the SS and Z28. We are talking dynoing maybe 10hp or 15hp less. Thats not huge, and i could come down to the driver again.

Gm is the master of recalls

Look at the # and severity of recalls on the LS1's, and recalls on the Cobra (and think about how long they've been around).

Seems like Ford has been having the recalls.

There is no point in argueing this any more. I was one of the people in this thread a year ago before the 2003 Cobra was even out. Ford and Chevy have been trading the crown of who is faster from the day the Camaro came out in 67'. One year or couple of years it's Ford and vica versa for Chevy. But the have always been close to each other. So all we have left to argue is opinion. Bottom line is their both American Icons and I'd rather see America's car lovers driving one of these 2 than an import.

i owuld love to have a '67 fast and a '67 z28. but i voted for the pony car because i have liked them since a young age. just didnt really like the 70's 80's and early 90's. but the old horse is back on the right track. as for the camaro it is sad to see the death of the f body but then again it was the most humane thing to do.

-GTi-VR6_A3

Originally posted by joeB
Seems like Ford has been having the recalls. You're absolutely right. Seems the most highly-publicized recall of recent years for either car was the recall on Cobras a couple years back, because they weren't making their advertised.. I think it was 315 horsepower. Anybody else remember that? They had to have a section of the lower intake manifold opened up to eliminate a restriction, and a replacement exhaust pipe to eliminate a section of the piping that the designers had literally flattened to clear suspension hardware. Because there was a time that the Cobras were only putting roughly the same amount of power to the ground as the 260 horsepower Mustang GTs.

Originally posted by GTStang
There is no point in argueing this any more. I was one of the people in this thread a year ago before the 2003 Cobra was even out. Ford and Chevy have been trading the crown of who is faster from the day the Camaro came out in 67'. One year or couple of years it's Ford and vica versa for Chevy. But the have always been close to each other. So all we have left to argue is opinion. Bottom line is their both American Icons and I'd rather see America's car lovers driving one of these 2 than an import.

I agree, and this is the point some of us are trying to insist, but some people think that there is one faster than the other, and that just isn't true.

Personally, i don't care which is faster stock, b/c i wouldn't leave them stock, and i haven't left my formula stock either.

Once you mod a car, all bets are off. Anyways, like i've said a number of times in this thread, both cars are pretty awesome cars.

Sounds like you guys have pretty much wrapped up your debating for this issue. Would you like this thread closed? :cool:

I doubt this debate will ever be done.

Threadz like this come and go, there are plenty of cobra/ss comparisons

camaro ss of course

Originally posted by speeder94
camaro ss of course

That's what i would think

I'd get the Cobra.:cool:

Originally posted by benroliver
Gm is the master of recalls

I'd rather GM recall a problem and be safe than sorry, than Ford not recalling a problem, and let the driver pay for it the hard way.

Originally posted by pontiactrac


I'd rather GM recall a problem and be safe than sorry, than Ford not recalling a problem, and let the driver pay for it the hard way.

the pinto comes to mind...

-GTi-VR6_A3

I have always liked Camaros more. My first car was a 69 Camaro.

Originally posted by 90EX
I have always liked Camaros more. My first car was a 69 Camaro.

that's pretty hot

Here is a picture of my old Camaro.

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/95182969camaro.jpg

sh*t, that's one of the best models made back in the muscle car days. I saw some concept drawings of what a possible new camaro would look like if it is made that is, and it featured the looks of this model. that's really nice, you don't see too many of those ones anymore. Are those slicks on the rear wheels?

Originally posted by pontiactrac
Are those slicks on the rear wheels?

No, those are some Micky Thompson street tires. It has tread, but the picture is a little fuzzy because I had to make the file small enough to upload to this site. I used to have the same size tires on the front, but it was too hard to park (no power steering). So I went to smaller tires in front.

Originally posted by 90EX


No, those are some Micky Thompson street tires. It has tread, but the picture is a little fuzzy because I had to make the file small enough to upload to this site. I used to have the same size tires on the front, but it was too hard to park (no power steering). So I went to smaller tires in front.

its a great looking z28, did u sell it or somethin?

Yes, I sold it a while ago.

Originally posted by 90EX
Yes, I sold it a while ago.

WHY?!?!?!

-GTi-VR6_A3

I was commuting to college and could not afford two cars (only working part time). The Camaro only got 8 MPG, it had a bored out 350 LT1 with an 850 Holley carb. I also started skiing and I could not put chains on it.

Originally posted by 90EX
I was commuting to college and could not afford two cars (only working part time). The Camaro only got 8 MPG, it had a bored out 350 LT1 with an 850 Holley carb. I also started skiing and I could not put chains on it.

8 miles a gallon! Damn, v12's get better gas mileage, but that car was made before the whole emissions restrictions came into play

Originally posted by vettemaan
what do you think is better?

The '02 Camaro SS had the 350 HP Corvette LSI - 5.7L pushrod, 16 valve V8.

The new '03 Mustang Cobra has a 390 HP - 4.6L DOHC, 32 valve V8 - which is being force fed by a SUPERCHARGER!!! (helo, we're actually changing atmosphere's here).

Come on now, the Cobra runs a mid 12 ET on its supercharger, and the LS1 SS ran anywhere from mid 13's to high 12's on planet earth - normally aspirated!

You strap a blower on the LS1 and force feed it half the PSI the Cobra's 32 valver is getting and I bet it would still edge out the Cobra on the strip.

The cobra is the better deal. It looks better and runs the quarter mile in half a second faster. The cobra only costs $2000 dollars more than the camaro. This isn't the best comparison between the camaro and the mustang. The closest comparison would have to be the MACH1 versus the Z28.

the fbodys are a better car in my opinion, looks, handling, power and so on

Originally posted by DVS LT1


The '02 Camaro SS had the 350 HP Corvette LSI - 5.7L pushrod, 16 valve V8.

The new '03 Mustang Cobra has a 390 HP - 4.6L DOHC, 32 valve V8 - which is being force fed by a SUPERCHARGER!!! (helo, we're actually changing atmosphere's here).

Come on now, the Cobra runs a mid 12 ET on its supercharger, and the LS1 SS ran anywhere from mid 13's to high 12's on planet earth - normally aspirated!

You strap a blower on the LS1 and force feed it half the PSI the Cobra's 32 valver is getting and I bet it would still edge out the Cobra on the strip.

exactly, and for anyone sayin its 4.6L vs 5.7L, the lightning engine is a 5.4L blown and it still isnt over the 400hp mark

Horsepower sells cars, Torque wins races

GMs F car engines have always had decent HP but the torque is usually through the roof.

welcome and goodbye,fool.:headshake

The camaro ss is a fast car, but it will get killed by a cobra! The cobra also looks cooler!:smile:

Ive only read the first 3 pages, so if anyones ever mentioned these points, sorry.

A: Cobra R, $75K, 12 sec. e.t.
B: Z06, $45K, 12 Sec. e.t.

'nuff said.

C:Orange Crush, Evan Smith, ring a bell? Sounds like a 12.89 to me. :biggrin:

D: The LS1 isnt a 350. Its a 346.6 :loser:

The starter of the thread specifcally said NOT the Cobra R. And we are comparing the SS camaro NOT the Z06 vette.
Now the new SVT cobra will beat the SS camaro. But Ford never made the SVT while the LS1 F-bodies were in production so it's not logical comparison. So if you compare the older non SC'd Cobra the SS will kill it. End of discussion. :smokin:

The '02 Camaro SS had the 350 HP Corvette LSI - 5.7L pushrod, 16 valve V8.

The new '03 Mustang Cobra has a 390 HP - 4.6L DOHC, 32 valve V8 - which is being force fed by a SUPERCHARGER!!! (helo, we're actually changing atmosphere's here).

Come on now, the Cobra runs a mid 12 ET on its supercharger, and the LS1 SS ran anywhere from mid 13's to high 12's on planet earth - normally aspirated!

You strap a blower on the LS1 and force feed it half the PSI the Cobra's 32 valver is getting and I bet it would still edge out the Cobra on the strip.
Since the Mustang has a roots blower, you can't say that. There is no aftermarket roots for the LS1. Plus the blower on the Cobra is pushing like 6-8 non-intercooled PSI. And roots are the most inefficient.
If you run an intercooled centrifical on a GT it could stomp the crap out of the SVT Cobra.
So if you want to compare a closer engine to the LS1(2 valve) compare a SC'd GT engine. The GT has 9.4:1, the SS LS1 has 10.2:1. So you can boost the GT about 8 more PSI on pump gas. So boosting the SS 6 PSI should make about 450 HP. Boosting the GT engine 14 PSI should give it close to 500 HP. Now of course the LS1 is going to have more torque, so the GT needs that extra HP. This is a fair comparison in which in the 1/4 mile these two cars would be about the same times.

the only reason i say Cobra R & Z06 is because someone else mentiond it.

the only reason i say Cobra R & Z06 is because someone else mentiond it.

Oh yeah, the Camaro SS makes (all in CRANK numbers)
Pre 2001: 320 HP
2001 Up: 325 HP
SLP Lim. E.d: 380 HP (center mounted exhaust)

^in reply to

"The '02 Camaro SS had the 350 HP Corvette LSI - 5.7L pushrod, 16 valve V8."

I have tested both the 02 SS the 02 WS6 and the 03 Cobra! Im going to buy the cobra, not because it out performs both pontiac and Gm, but because its a comfortable, and the stability on the Cobra as far more advance (For my likeing)! I have even drive the C6, and yes... im sorry to say the C6 is pretty Fast! But i would take the cobra over the vette anyday! Cobra needs little upgrades to put it withing 10s Range! Now in respons to teh SS and cobra bet off! I have a friend that owns a SLP SS and a 03 Cobra! Tested both at milan, same day same time... Cobra came out, by almost a sec! I dont dislike GM... infact.. i hope the Camara and Trans am come back.... to pick up some of the slack cause... i wana see more muscle cars out there then Rice burners... Mustang is holding it all down! And no thanks to the pontiac for that Amazing Peice of Crap (GTO)! SOrry to offend.. but Cobra is better in every aspect to me!

Gm is the master of recalls:screwy:

hmmm, anyone else remember the exploding pintos? thats all i have to say about that.

i got something to say about it

dont bring up old threads, its 2 years old!!