Camaro SS VS Mustang Cobra

whats with the stars under our names, and then some are yellow?

anyone ?:eek:

you get a yellow star for every 100 posts for the first 5. Then you get another star for 1000 posts, and another start for every extra 1000 posts, unless you are a mod, then they all get filled.

:rocket: well the mustang has been in the past better but now the camaro his only 5 hp more then the mustang yet the mustang his this feel once u drive it with the loud bass and tone its mustang cobra for me



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fuck it at the end lamborghini just ends being #1

well......neither is more luxurious is my point.....2 of my friends have these cars.....2000 SS and 2000 GT.....both loaded.....I dont notice any difference in luxury...as for the cars I find the GT very uncomfortable. Both have nice leather...same cheap dials and louad radio systems

It's gotta be the Camaro, although the cobra looks tight n all, but itz all camaro for me:eek:

Now what.....the camaro is better, does everyone feel better that owns one?:confused:

I do.

Hey how about this...The last comparison was the 2001 COBRA and the 2002 camaro..One year apart well lets try it this way..2003 COBRA 2002 camaro..Well 325Hp and 390Hp do the math..chevy got owned.


Ok argument over.:flipa:

Originally posted by CobraMan
Hey how about this...The last comparison was the 2001 COBRA and the 2002 camaro..One year apart well lets try it this way..2003 COBRA 2002 camaro..Well 325Hp and 390Hp do the math..chevy got owned.


Ok argument over.:flipa:

Not yet last one was December 2001.

Camaro SS - 325 hp - Torque - 350.

Mustang Cobra - 320 hp - Torque - 317.

1/4 mile- Camaro SS- 13.49/107.34
1/4 mile- Mustang Cobra- 13.79/103.34

That was the last one.

ha ha once again.:D

They still compared the 2002 camaro and the 2001 cobra.
which is still a year newer car. so when you compare the 2003 SVT with 2002 camaro the Cobra is faster.but since the Terminator was originally meant to be put out for 2002 it still is faster out of the factory. But the name Terminator suggested to much violence they called it the Cobra special and put it out a little later. Which still proves my point.
In the end the cobra was faster!!!!!!!!!!

My GT is better than both of those cars stock. :) Definitely not stock though...whoof. GT's are dogs in stock trim.

Cobra Man say whatever you want , but the current Camaro SS
Z-28 is faster than a Mustang. For 2003 36,000 start comaring it
with a Corvette now. The thing is supercharged, only way Ford can
make more power for their pityful cars.:rolleyes:

JoeB has a point there. If you are going to campare a V8 FI with a V8 NA, which do you think will win? (does apples to alligators ring a bell??)So, the only option is to put a similiar blower on the Camaro, then let the fur fly.

True the bigger engine will make better horse power,but then again its also not all the car but what person who owns it wants to spend..Ford said they werent out to beat chevy but they would match the power,Im sure if they were out to beat them they would have.Going as far as to calling ford pityfull? Just remember who is still in production. Oh and youll find the 4valve in most cobras,but just not in mine. Ford wasnt out to beat chevy but Iam and that wonderful 5.8 is goin in my car so when you see me goin down the road...Dont get your hopes up thinkin that your gonna beat me cause ya prolly wont. :D

Maybe you will, maybe you wont. Ford has tryed and tryed to get
the Mustang faster than the Camaro since 93 and they havent, so dont
go say they havent cause Ford has been trying. Ford has had a bad time
makeing anything they have fast. That new SVT Focus, yea its pityful, if they couldnt made that car any faster , they should of never made it.
Anyhow, when you do see me out in your new engined Mustang, well see
who will be faster, maybe you will, but let me get a supercharger installed then we will get to tell which will be faster. As for the Camaro
going out of production, maybe cause more people bought mustangs
or cause the market isnt like it used to be for those cars or people had
to have a mustang so they could get beat by a Z-28. But dont get so
mad about it when you get beat, you guys bought what you wanted.
:lol2:

Hmm...I bought what i wanted, and I'm beating Camaros...:flipa:

Well with the 4.6 4V i have in my car right at this time,i dont have it supercharged just better exhaust and i was walking all over camaros. Weird,i thought they were so much faster? My engine at a smaller size and hardly been touched up for added power out runs the big almighty 5.7? Gettin mad? no i never got mad in that last writting ive gotten more looks and comments from my cobra than i ever had when i had my camaro. How it looks better sounds better,and for the people ive raced including SS and WS6's and have beaten them who have also said how nice my car is...hmmm pityful as for the focus...it was designed for econo rice burningand it seems to have no problem beating the honda civics or what ever else you wanna throw against it in its class. SVT focus 17,000 les than that of a civic Si and beats and focus comes with a 6 speed..pityful suuure..whatever you say..

Prob because they had slush boxes, without the high-stall torque converters dragsters use. So there goes a half second. So you would win.

OK, to see who is faster over these great distances, put up a scanned time slip, that will be good enough proof.

Originally posted by Tinseltown349
Hmm...I bought what i wanted, and I'm beating Camaros...:flipa:

Not talking about YOUR car in particular here , but stock for stock
Camaros are faster. Ill supercharge my car then you wont beat mine
rest assure you that. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by CobraMan
Well with the 4.6 4V i have in my car right at this time,i dont have it supercharged just better exhaust and i was walking all over camaros. Weird,i thought they were so much faster? My engine at a smaller size and hardly been touched up for added power out runs the big almighty 5.7? Gettin mad? no i never got mad in that last writting ive gotten more looks and comments from my cobra than i ever had when i had my camaro. How it looks better sounds better,and for the people ive raced including SS and WS6's and have beaten them who have also said how nice my car is...hmmm pityful as for the focus...it was designed for econo rice burningand it seems to have no problem beating the honda civics or what ever else you wanna throw against it in its class. SVT focus 17,000 les than that of a civic Si and beats and focus comes with a 6 spee
d

..pityful suuure..whatever you say..

If you have beat SS' and WS6's your either lying or they are bad drivers. The difference in higher speed is where it is at for these cars,
and thats where the GM cars are even faster. Yea, your car may sound better, but look better?, not, its anyones opionion on that, but here
I get more comments on my camaro than I ever did on my slow 95 GT.


As for the Focus, its almost 300 more dollars than the Civic Si but it is faster, but it isnt as fast as the Nissan Sentra SER Spec V. and that is
mainlywhat I was comparing it too. Ford dosent have anything else
besides a truck that is fast but that is why Ford sucks cause they have nothing to compete with Nissan and others ect.

But Please guys this is getting old now, we know which car,Camaro or
Mustang which is faster, so why do you want to try and prove they are not?:rolleyes:

Its just too bad there will no longer be the beautifull camero or trans am. It really sux that the only real domestic teen sports car will be the crapstang:(

Well call my car a freak from the factory or something but Ive put it to 160 as said on my speedometer, stock chip mind you..so you tell me, I have a 99 Cobra, the supposed messed up year of the cobra. But wait its a cobra!!! its not supposed to go 160. My sisters boyfriend who owns a 98 z28 ls1 saw for his very own eyes and checked to make sure it was a stock chip after we were done. Kodak momment peoples when i saw his face after he looked.

Just another cobra huh?

One more thing. since we are talking straight from the factory which is faster,well the 03 cobra still wins!!!!!

Goodies for you and your Mustang. But still the 2003 is supercharged.
2003 may be faster, but then it will have to start competing with the
Corvette if the Mustang price goes up any more. It doesnt matter anyway Mustangs sucked from 1994 to 1998 when the Camaro didnt.
:spit:

Originally posted by joeB
Goodies for you and your Mustang. But still the 2003 is supercharged.
2003 may be faster, but then it will have to start competing with the
Corvette if the Mustang price goes up any more. It doesnt matter anyway Mustangs sucked from 1994 to 1998 when the Camaro didnt.
:spit: I have to say that as much as I like supercharging, I don't like Ford's route here for making more power. It feels like a cheat in a race where the other guy (GM) is making leaps and bounds in the horsepower race by slaving away at the LS1/LS6 engines to find more power. And this is a fair comparison, because in some senses, Ford does intend the Mustang to compete with the Corvette, not just the Camaro.

well it won't have to deal with the camero since it's gone... lol
it was nice while it lasted... not that i support mustangs or cameros or anything for that matter, but i am really sad to see the TA go ... :( :( :( :confused: :confused: :confused: :( :( :(

Originally posted by joeB
Goodies for you and your Mustang. But still the 2003 is supercharged.
2003 may be faster, but then it will have to start competing with the
Corvette if the Mustang price goes up any more. It doesnt matter anyway Mustangs sucked from 1994 to 1998 when the Camaro didnt.
:spit:

Ummmmm.......I've got a 1998 Mustang, and I hardly think it sucks. Opinions are like as...... aw, screw it, everybody knows that cliche.:rolleyes:

Forget it black. I dont think they are bad, I was just more less

talking bout the performance (stock) vs. the new ones. Overall though

they are quite nice.:flash: :D

Either car is better than an 84 hon-duh with a 5-inch pipe. I think we can all agree on that:)

Amen to that!!!!
In the end its all about american.:smoker2:

MUSTANG

I don´t care if the Camaro is 0.5 or 1 second faster than the Mustang, the Mustang is way better car that the Camaro. It´s got a much better styling, interior, engine sounds. Don´t try to defend what you can´t. Nobody wants and buys Camaros anymore, starting long time ago, is just that comparing it to the Mustang, the Camaro just can´t win. It´s untasty old fashioned, a very poor quality materials, specially the interior, and I could go on and on, and it´s not just me that says this, just check some serious magazines and you´ll see, the camaro is only good for speed. period.
And with the new Mustang SVT Cobra the Camaro is under ground.

A Camaro is much cheaper than the new SVT stang, which also only adds 70hp from its blower. And the interior of both cars is not top class. Also, pretty much all mags said the stang seats weren't good, while the Camaro (though covered in rats hair), fit really well. And .5 to 1 second is a huge difference in acceleration at the speeds these cars are going at.

The camaro interior is cheap, you're right. The mustang interior is just as cheap in my opinion, only for some reason i like it less.

Cobra + blower = fast

SS or WS6 + blower = faster



I have a tone of respect for Cobras, and some GT's (not V6's, unless it has some major work...). I have an f-body, and i LOVE f-bodies, but do you think i'd pass up a chance to drive a stang around, heck no! I love driving muscle cars, and in the end its not about what is best, its what you love.

Z-28's and Firebirds have better styling, IMO, and that is what it
boils down to is what a person likes, both are nice, its all about anyones
own opinion, one is not better than the other.:)

Camaro or T/A for me
I've driven both the cobra and SS's and T/A's. The stang has WAY better handling I think(around town anyways). For some reason the difference in handling reminds me of comparing a long wheelbase truck to a short wheelbase truck. The SWB just corners better. But the looks of an SS or T/A are WAY better than the rustang. Plus I have 2 frinds who have these cars(a 98 stang and a 99 SS). They both rag the crap out of their cars, and the guy with the mustang is embarassed to drive his car anynmore. THe engine knocks and makes all sorts of horrible sounds.

Please everybody stop misspelling Camaro. It is not Camero!!!!
(I didn't read the whole thread, maybe someone already corrected this)

Anyway, the poll speaks for itself and I agree:
Camaro 57 63.33%
Mustang 33 36.67%

ill will go wit the cobra!:bandit: :smoka: :smoker2: :ylsuper

My moms bf just got a loaded 2001 Camaro SS convertible. It was a demo, so it had 2000km. Unfortunately, it has a slushbox. But it only cost hime $32000, or $20000 American. Its pretty nice and fast, my mom let me drive it:D But with the traction control off, doing a brake stand, it could only reach 1500rpm before the rear wheels started to move (this must be the stall speed for the cat). But it hooked up pretty quick after, although it really didn't enough rpm. A stick would fix that, or a high-stall torque converter. Anyway, it was still fun, and Car and Driver tells me it would be a low 6 second 0-60.

Did you call Car & Driver and ask them or read this?

Motor Trend got a 99 or newer convertible automatic 0 to 60

at in 5.5.:)

Um, where I thought I remembered from C&D was wrong, it was 99 or 00 Camaro with a 6 speed, and it did 5.3 seconds (convertible, though). I found another one, with a 2001 Camaro Z28 convertible with auto (May 2001), and C&D got it to go to 60 in 5.2 seconds. Its 5-60 mph was 5.3 seconds. Since this was an SS, I did a rolling start w/o traction control, so I know that would be close to their number. And my standing start probably couldn't be much better (maybe a few tenths), cuz autos are easy. A stick and me would be slower than a mag (that will change...someday:D )

Anyway, thanks for making me not go by memory, now I am much happier:D (The young should have money:( )

:flipa: WEll to all of you chevy fans out there i just want to say that there is no stock chevy alive that will beat a 2003 mustang cobra. I have seen tests on a Corvette zo6 and a 2003 cobra and the zo6 was 1 tenth of a second faster than the mustang and the mustang was equiped whith a role cage a on board computer to monitor speeds and was going into a 10 mph headwind while the zo6 had no extra weight and was at a sunny calm track in california so side to side the mustang would kill the corvette wich is the fastest so called production chevy ever made.




P.s. and there are faster production mustangs than a 2003 cobra:flipa:

That's funny. The Corvette Z06 versus a Mustang Cobra. Are you crazy? I've seen a Corvette Z06 best a 2002 Porsche 911 turbo around a track. I highly doubt that a Mustang Cobra can claim the same.

Well, stock rating for stock rating, the ZO6 has a somewhat higher hp rating, and most likely torque as well (i don't remember that #). The ZO6 is a fairly light car, lighter than the '03 cobra. Yes, the '03 cobra is fast, but your statement is incorrect. You said that the '03 cobra wasn't the fastest production car made, well there have been some "special" runs of a small number of chevy cars, most i've seen are f-bodies that have hp ratings of 500hp.

As for the '03 cobras power, it seems that what everyone is finding ranges a lot. Some people are dynoing 380-390hp to the ground, and then some around putting more like 340hp to the ground. There have been a ton of instances of '03 cobras sucking at the track, but that could most likey be driver error. I do believe a number of the magazine tests have been on "specially treated" cars from ford, but i guess that could be for other cars as well.

I respect ford for actually stepping up to make a faster mustang, but i am not completely happy with the results. I want to see them with an option to up the displacement of the engine, keep the iron block (its iron on the '03 right), forged pistons, ect, ect for the boost and all and keep the blower (give it more boost stock though). Also, one thing seems kinda weird to me, previous cobra ratings were like 320hp, add a blower and only gain 70hp? I guess the stock boost could be a bit low, but in LS1's that get blown they gain a lot more than that. Who knows, all i knoe is the '03 cobra is a fast car now, and its nice to have a car in the range of LS1 f-body, and they both give eachother a run for their money.

Yes, most OEM forced induction is weak. For example, the Protege only gains 30 hp from its turbo (from 140 to 170). But is low boost (about 6psi)
The Cobra gets about 8 psi or so. But yeah, OEM blowers still suck alot. You could get about 450hp no problem with a real blower on a stang. But they need to maintain reliability, so the desire to cover their own ass overcomes the desire to provide desirable cars.

Morale of the story: Buy the NA version, then slam on aftermarket kit, save yourself money, add some fun:D

Yups. Anyways, if anyone is seriously racing their cars, it probably won't be stock, and as such what it WAS stock doesn't matter as they no longer are.

In conclusion, '03 cobra is fast, LS1's are fast, have fun.

I dont know much bout the speed of the two cars, but i know they both go good. So basing it on looks alone i would definitely go for the cobra before i ever touched the Camaro. Part of my decision was also that u camaro lovers act like a Stang can't touch u guys! Stop lyin to yourselves, us with stangs, got same chance as u do with your camaros. You guys cant say that a Z28 would beat a GT, or that an SS would beat a Cobra, ! STOCK ! dont go sayin, that if u just drop a blower in it, then it would beat it, Stock is all that says anything.

And, stock for stock, the F-body blows away the Stang. Say, in 1999, for example, a SS went 0-60 in 4.9, an SVT cobra took 5.5. Now its closer, but the chevy still wins. A blower just underlines the difference:D

camaro is hot and so is the stang, but on this one " i'd rather push a chevy then drive a ford" it's just the camaro will always stay hot and carry big balls

The '03 cobra is done pretty well, with a few mods they are running like raped apes.

The LS1 is great engine as well, it reacts to mods nearly as well, although not as obvious as the cobra, i think mostly because of the forced induction.


This entire debate comes down to preferance. I like chevy, dunno why, i just prefer bowtie. I respect ford as well as chevy, though. Stock for stock the LS1 will win over the stang/cobra (pre-'03 cobra), but for an LS1 (not LS6) vs. '03 cobra its even if not the cobra ahead a smidge.

As far as which i'd take, the Z06 or the '03 cobra, definitely the Z06. Its all preferance. If i actually had to pay the tab on the car though, i'd buy a a fox body w/5.0 and then a '98 f-body w/LS1 and build them both up.

I couldn't imagine driving around a $50k car everyday, i'd be afraid to leave it anywhere or drive on poor roads.

Camaro would just wait till the Mustang breaks. But even if it doesn't Chevy always has more power.

Camaro. I love the looks of it, that hood makes it look bad ass. And there is nothing like an LS1 V8 (besides the LS6).

While I respect Ford for what they have done with the '03 Cobra, I'm still dissapointed. Chevy can make 405HP V8 all motor granted that's the LS6 engine, but isn't basically the same thing, only different pistons and other things? I don't see why Ford can't make their V8 an all motor beast. I would have given even more props if Ford pulled that off.

Never the less the '03 Cobra is impressive, and sadly the Camaro is gone. So Ford did something right (most likely the styling).

Originally posted by pimpstyles77
camaro is hot and so is the stang, but on this one " i'd rather push a chevy then drive a ford" it's just the camaro will always stay hot and carry big balls


What Concept Honda is that in your signature??? Is that a future production?

I wouldn't be caught dead in a camaro. They are built with poor quality, like a typical GM product. Thew new 03 cobra looks ten times better in my opinion. The new cobra runs a 12.6 bone stock and at 34 grand there is no comparison. The aniversary ss is more than 32 grand and .5 second slower in the 1/4. Yes the mustang is blown, but it has so much hidden power, for instance removing the silencer add 15rwhp. The car is heavily restricted coming out of the factory. Plus the car has an iron block and forged pistons. The cobra can hold twice the boost that an ss with an aluminum block can hold. Plus u would have to pay an extra 5 grand to get a blower supercharger on it and who knows how much more to get the same reliability as the cobra. The fact that it is .1 slow in the quarter mile than a z06 is sad. The z06 cost 52 grand. If you people disagree with me check out this article:


http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0208mmff_deathmatch/

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by benroliver
I wouldn't be caught dead in a camaro. They are built with poor quality, like a typical GM product. Thew new 03 cobra looks ten times better in my opinion. The new cobra runs a 12.6 bone stock and at 34 grand there is no comparison. The aniversary ss is more than 32 grand and .5 second slower in the 1/4. Yes the mustang is blown, but it has so much hidden power, for instance removing the silencer add 15rwhp. The car is heavily restricted coming out of the factory. Plus the car has an iron block and forged pistons. The cobra can hold twice the boost that an ss with an aluminum block can hold. Plus u would have to pay an extra 5 grand to get a blower supercharger on it and who knows how much more to get the same reliability as the cobra. The fact that it is .1 slow in the quarter mile than a z06 is sad. The z06 cost 52 grand. If you people disagree with me check out this article:


http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0208mmff_deathmatch/

Dude, no offense, but if you would take a look at some other mustang threads, you will know that Ford's reputation on quality is alot worse than GM's. I am a mustang fan, but when it comes to reliability, you can't say a mustang is built better and going to last longer than a GM product.

And without getting into a mojor debate about the morality of this, its a joke to me that Ford continues to use the ancient Fox platform for the Mustang, and slaps an Eaton M112 onto their engine to make power. So with the Vette you pay a lot more for a clean sheet design, and comparable power without forced induction, because GM engineers are going back and finding more power the old-fashioned way (i.e. with the Z06). So is it any wonder that you are paying a lot more?

Consumers can add the FI systems themselves if they so choose (think how much power the LS1's or LS6's would make with the same boost pressure). What is a lot tougher for us to do (if even possible) is rework the engine for more naturally aspirated power. That is where the engineers need to do their focusing, and I applaud GM for doing that.

LS1's with 9 pound superchargers put out around 500rwhp, even more with the right stuff. A guy locally has internatlly stock LS1, running 9 pounds and puts down 544rwhp...not too shabby.

I'll also add that most aluminum block engines still have cast iron cylinder bores, which effectively helps lessen or close the structural integrity gap between aluminum and iron blocks, while enjoying the benefit of significant weight savings.

Both cars have their ups and downs. It all comes down the how much $$ you have, if you are chevy or ford loyal, and what just tickles your pickle more.

It also depends on the years of the models. I think at this point, Mustang is winning