Le Mans Contest - discussion

Any body have any interest in a contest featuring LeMans cars? I don't know any details,just seeing if there is any interest.

Definately, this sounds like a good idea, but i'll have to finish my 787B quickly to enter it.

Well I might have one entry... or if this constest is far away, I might have a few others (will do some this fall)

Interested! I think it would be great rushing me a little to finish this Pedro Rodriguez' 917k (Le Mans Miniatures resin kit, with driver figure and opened right door...) and solve its chassis to body fitting problem...


:bananasmi

If you can find me decals for the flying lizard porche team I would most definitely be down for a lemans contest. Any body ....flying lizard porche decals ....please!

Yeah i'm down i'm about to start building the toyota GT1 or Nissan r390

I may be interested, it depends on what type of time frame you're thinking of as well as what sort of rules.

Only cars that raced at LeMans itself or endurance racers in general?

Ooh yeah I'd be in. Although only if plenty of time is given to get something acceptable built.

How about something like build the LM winner of the year you were born :lol: Just kidding, I think the wider the net, the more entries you'd get.

As I said, depend of the time frame. I currently have a Porsche GT3 and Ferrari 360 Leman, but they won't hit the desk before end of the summer or even this fall

I'm interested, if the deadline is the 2005 Le Mans Saturday, or something like that. (meaning I need a lot of time.)
And I propose both historically realistic and phantom racer sub-classes, besides common ones like box stock, modified etc...

I may have to finish my GT1 for this contest, sounds tempting. Speaking of flying lizard, I was at Lime Rock last monday for the ALMS race, great stuff!

Good Idea, I want in too!

Olivier

I am interested. I just bought a Full-View Toyota GT-One. :naughty:

Could be interesting!

I've just ordered kit's of every car that started the race this year... I'll be building the whole of the grid (hopefully before next years race). Wish me luck, I think I'm gonna need it!

Could be interesting!

I've just ordered kit's of every car that started the race this year... I'll be building the whole of the grid (hopefully before next years race). Wish me luck, I think I'm gonna need it!

you mean in 1/43 scale ?

Yup. All kits will be PM (where available) except the Ferraris which will be BBR as they tend to do a better job of them. Any that I can't get from those two will be who ever makes them, even if that means diecasts (a last resort to fill the holes).

First couple of kits should arrive in the next couple of days, and then as and when they are released.

It's something I've wanted to do since I went to the race for the first time in '96. The grid looked so good this year, I couldn't resist.

ok....seems like we have a lot of interest. I think a long deadline is in order. Do you guys want different classes for scale, type etc.? I will have to come up with prizes. Anybody wanna volunteer to judge? Any suggestions..just pm me.

I'm interested if it is 100% going ahead. I would suggest different classes for scale and type as you have said.
If I can be of any help Privateer drop me an email
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Cheers
Mark

OK, I'm in... I agree classes for scale is a good idea, and I would say classes for open and closed cars would be good as well. Plus the car must have raced (or practised?) at Le Mans, not just be of a type that raced there. Just my thoughts, feel free to shoot me down in flames!

more classes = more prices

think about it, I'm not sure if there will be so much 1/43 kit entering

How about the same class division as in real Lemans racing?

On second thought, it hasn't been constant through the years ...

If it's a long deadline, count me in, I have a PM Dome Judd I've wanted to build for a while

Any more interest in this?

What would be really great is to wait until we can get a dedicated motorsport modelling forum up and running. The idea has been doing the rounds for a while now. Just PMed Igor about it.

Given the interest so far is on the low side might it be best to limit the number of categories? As well as allow some strictly non-Le Mans cars enter? I was thinking of Global Endurance Series or Japanese GT series cars. For instance if we limit it to pure Le Mans starters then cars like the Tamiya Mercedes CLK-GTR will be ineligible, as would the Croc Audi I have on the bench.

Not that that is a bad thing, we can be as elite as we wanna!

To my eyes, 2 categories would be best:
1- The cars that have raced at the Le Mans 24 hours.
2- The cars belonging to Endurance series and GT series.

No scale categorie. But scale should be given by the modeler, just in case some people might not recognize a 1/43 kit pic... Or a 1/12 one...

Hope there will be Skylines! :lol:

To my eyes, 2 categories would be best:
1- The cars that have raced at the Le Mans 24 hours.
2- The cars belonging to Endurance series and GT series.



That sounds like a good idea :smokin:

I agree with Phil too, this would make a good kick-off for the new subforum if we can ever get Igor to create it.

We could also divide again the category of cars which have raced at le mans into GTP and Group C categories. GTP is the recent class for closed cockpit cars e.g. Toyota Gt-One, Nissan R390. Group C ws the same thing basically but ran in the eighties and early nineties e.g. Mazda 787B, Nissan R89C, Porsche 962 etc.

To my eyes, 2 categories would be best:
1- The cars that have raced at the Le Mans 24 hours.
2- The cars belonging to Endurance series and GT series.


Oooo, that would include the Tamiya BMW 635csi Group A Spa 24hrs kit. :smokin: Damn, too many beautiful cars to choose from!! Unfortunately, it takes me months to build a kit like this! :uhoh: :rolleyes:

That's a cool idea, count me in if the deadline is far far away ! I really need to work on my gt-one...

What would be really great is to wait until we can get a dedicated motorsport modelling forum up and running. The idea has been doing the rounds for a while now. Just PMed Igor about it.

Given the interest so far is on the low side might it be best to limit the number of categories?


I really hope this motorsport forum will be made, and a competition to start it off with will just be awesome !.

I m for two categories;

Le Mans & Endurance - GT championships(DTM, JGTC, FIA-GT, GR.A, ...)

Cheers, Oli

I'm thinking it should be 4 categories as follows

1. Open cars
2. Closed cars
3. Resin/Aftermarket
4. Styrene

This would cover everyone and every car made regardless of class!

Of course you may want to seperate that into some form of scale (i.e. 1:24/25-1:43-1:87)...but maybe not.

Now who's gonna do the Deutsch-Bonnet and Panhard?...;-)>

Bill

p.s. I'm in!

p.p.s. What about phantom LM competitors? i.e. A Michelin Skyline GT? or a Taisan Boxter GT?...;-)>

sounds fun! Need details....

I think I might build a C5-R for the competition. But I wish it would be further in the future. I got plans for other models I really dont want to push back.

Count me in too. I'm actually already started building the 2001 C5-R #63.

Murray

sounds fun! Need details....

We don't have any details as yet, feel free to suggest some :)

There are probably a few areas we'll need to agree on:

1. Time frame - in a couple of months or next year? One thing we'll need to consider is not clashing with the AF Model of the Year Comp should it be run in its traditional January slot.
2. Scope - purely real Le Mans competitors or some wider net?
3. One overall category or subcategories?
4. Will we allow older models or do something like the recent Custom Competition where all entries were built within a specified timeframe with progress threads?

:dunno:

We don't have any details as yet, feel free to suggest some :)

There are probably a few areas we'll need to agree on:

1. Time frame - in a couple of months or next year? One thing we'll need to consider is not clashing with the AF Model of the Year Comp should it be run in its traditional January slot.
2. Scope - purely real Le Mans competitors or some wider net?
3. One overall category or subcategories?
4. Will we allow older models or do something like the recent Custom Competition where all entries were built within a specified timeframe with progress threads?

:dunno:

How about;

1. build time begin 00:01 GMT September 01 2004
build time end 23:59 GMT December31 2004. (Does the AFMOY BEGIN building in January or voting?)

2. I'd cast a wider net to allow the JTCC/DTM/IMSA/roadracing NASCAR guys in also. How about we change the name from Le Mans to the First Annual AF Competition Sports Car Contest or AFCSCC?

3. a. Open cockpit
b. Closed cockpit
c. 1:24/25
d. 1:43rd
e. Previous Tamiya Modeler of the Year...;-)>

4. Only newer models with build diaries. Which would not only be really cool but could also teach us alot also!

Then again everyone might think I'm nuts...;-)>

Bill

^I like the sound of that alot. Especially the progress or diaries as you call them. The start dates are perfect as well!

What about separate categories for curbside and full detail? Really not fair for a curbside resin kit to compete against a full detailed Tamiya. Both can be done excellently.

Sounds good to me... I think the curbside/detail thing is not so much of an issue as there is a 1:43 category - my main concern was comparing 1:43 to 1:24 as they are two quite different things.

1. Many members expressed their hope for a long deadline, so next year, around the time of the next LM race sounds good.
2. Perhaps endurance races.
3. I quite like the subcategories Zeljko had for his rally contest.
4. Recent models with progress threads.

Hey, that sounds like great fun. I'm building the Porsche GT1 1996 Testcar at the moment. The car ran in the prelimary practice at Le Mans. It will be full detailed. I would like to enter the car, when it's finished!

Guys,

Don't forget, the more category you make, the more winner you will have, and the more price you will need to give. Since we don't have any supplyer, we should stay with few category, or we will end like:

Congrats, you won the Contest. You got a detail wire set worth 3$.. :eek7:

No matter the size.
No matter resin or not (what we do with carr that are plastic with few resin part ?)

That's why I've proposed just 2 categories:
-the car that have raced Le Mans.
-the proto and GT cars, close to Le Mans specifications: CLK-GTR, JGTC Skylines, etc...

Whatever the scale, resin or plastic... or wood, detailed or curbside...

There are so many types of cars that have raced LeMans that we could choose to have only the first categorie!...
And see, maybe,
a 4CV Renault http://www.dh-modellbahn.de/media/Renault_4CV.jpg,
a Porsche 356 http://www.mafma.com/images/p24001.jpg,
a Skyline GTR http://www.graham-ruckert.com.au/Images/Imports/Ebbro/43359%20front.jpg ,
a Bentley http://www.mafma.com/images/lmm124071_0.jpg,
a BMW http://www.lacomodels.se/bilder/bilar/Minichamps/430802583.jpg,
a Maserati http://www.mafma.com/images/p24026.jpg ...

I would like to participate in this contest, so my 2 cents ...

I like the long timeframe as well. Deadline of Le Mans 2005 would be sufficient and meaningful.

I think we should stick with cars that raced at Le Mans, on the starting grid, put down at least a lap. If we added other endurance races/series, then it wouldn't be a Le Mans contest, which is why this thread was first posted.

We should have a 1:24 and 1:43 category, but separating for curbside/engine or resin/plastic would make too many categories. We should keep it simple. Besides I would guess the majority would be building 1:24, engine, plastic (I will be). And Vric's comment about categories/prizes is also valid.

Guys,

Don't forget, the more category you make, the more winner you will have, and the more price you will need to give. Since we don't have any supplyer, we should stay with few category, or we will end like:

Congrats, you won the Contest. You got a detail wire set worth 3$.. :eek7:

No matter the size.
No matter resin or not (what we do with carr that are plastic with few resin part ?)

This is very true. More categories less prizes.

On the other hand, you build for the fun of it, not for the prizes.

but it has to be kept simple, not like
here 's my entry for the le mans-endurance contest in the "Le Mans qualifications open prototype before 1965 and has done at least 50 laps under 5 hrs "-category :smile:

olivier

On the other hand, you build for the fun of it, not for the prizes.


True, but we enter Contest for the prizes :lol:

true VRIC, I was just making abstraction of the contest idea , but au fond you're right.

oh, and we could maybe have a special "originality" price?

Olivier

I also think we should keep it Le Mans models only. And that the contest should finish up at the start of the race next year. And I don't even think it should be broken up into classes at all... Opening it up to other race series would make it, I don't know, not a Le Mans contest? But then, I wouldn't mind seeing some killer JGTC or DTM models.

Edit - Also interested.

is the next race in 1 full year ?

is the next race in 1 full year ?

June 2005.

ok.. LONG deadline, but it's better than a short one

I will have the choice to present my Porsche GT3 or my Ferrari 360 (or even a Mclaren F1 !!)

C'mon guys...If we leave it open until June 2005, I'll have multiple entries for multiple categories and end up winning multiple prizes (*oh please, oh please...make it a $3.00 wire detailing kit!!!)...;-)>

Seriously, I know we all like long deadlines, but I'm thinking 4 month or .25 of a full year is long enough.

Also what are the benefits of making it simply a LM contest? Won't this actually EXCLUDE some modelers who can't/wont/don't build Le Sarthe cars, but do build other sports car racers?????

Of course this is just one idiot's opinion ;-)>

Bill

The main idea was Le Mans contest. Just stick with this idea. There is so many car that raced to Le Mans, if someone don't want to built one of this kit, then send your kit to an other contest. We always exclude peoples on a theme contest

Le Mans runs enough variety of cars that I think pretty much anybody who popped on this thread could come up with one. If I want to enter my JGTC stuff in a contest, then it would be in a general RACE CAR or JGTC contest, etc. Let's leave it as LM only.

$3 wire? SWEEET!!!! Never have enough of that stuff laying around...

I agree we should stick to Le Mans... you could build anything from a Bentley Blower to an R8.

Of course they also have a 24 hour motorcycle race if that floats yer boat :evillol:

I agree we should stick to Le Mans... you could build anything from a Bentley Blower to an R8.

Of course they also have a 24 hour motorcycle race if that floats yer boat :evillol:

Oh crap! I had totally forgotten about that...AND the historic race they have also...Of course they only bike I know that would fit the bill is the Heller/RoG Kawasaki ZX7-RR...and I hear it's kinda pitiful...

Bill

I love that idea. I´m just trying to get my act together. Somebody make the rules and the deadline and we all can go ahead and start the battle for the title.

Cool, we seem to have fair bit of interest, maybe it’s time to start firming things up and making decisions. I’d be willing to co-ordinate the comp and maybe put up a kit as a prize. However, if anybody else would like to take the reigns that would be great too.

I’ve also wondered if we could have two separate draws here. A pure Le Mans comp for fresh builds with a deadline of next year’s race. As well as a more general competition for existing builds with a deadline 2 or 3 months away. Of course now we have Mr Bil Attridge on board the competition will be for second place :)

Perhaps we could develop an annual themed competition that we hold every year? Le Mans for 2005, F1 for 2006, etc? With a deadline of the middle of the year to keep us out of step with the AFMOTY.

Another point of discussion: How would be best to judge it? Or do we even need a winner :)

Of course now we have Mr Bil Attridge on board the competition will be for second place :)

Haha yea, with Bil around, we have no chance. But we will do it for fun

We ask Bil to be a judge so he can not enter the competition. :thinkerg: :icesangel :rofl: