Is there a God??

Ok, you misunderstand me... I am Italian... If say after their defeat in WW2 the people of Italy were forced out of their country, perhaps the allies wanted to settle thier own there, anyway the victors can do whtever they want. Now Italians are settled everywhere, but preserve their culture and heritage, and a movement emerged for Italians to return to their ancestral homeland, I would back it 1000%... I may be american but I would DEFINITELY want MY PEOPLE in the motherland!!!
Ok, don't sit here and nitpick over technicallities... ok, the concept of ownership didn't exist for Native Americans, that doesn't matter... it was THEIR LAND, they occupied it, and we STOLE it from them, end of story, and yes, your house is on native american land, unless you think your ancestors hunted and lived here thousands of years ago.

haha, i was mainly being phecitious (sp?) i understood you correctly.

and i agree 100% with your assesment of our attack on the native americans.

the original problem here, is that israel is acting the fool as to why the palestinians dislike them. when they know full well. and the refusal of both sides to compromise will only result in further carnage.

So who do you think has the actual claim on the Holy Land??? Though not Jewish, nor having any Jewish friends, I must say the Jews... just because of the fact that it IS their original homeland. I really feel like people forget this... If my people live in an area for thousands of years, I'd definitely want it back. But what do you think?

hey I'm Irish too, not that matters... but what I was gonna say now. you say God gave it to the palestinians too? how so? he gave it to the Jews as the promised land, I don't see how it could be the palestinians.

and prelewd, it doesn't matter that Jesus was born there, the reason they fight for it is because it is the Promised land given to the Jews from God, not because it contains Jesus' birthplace. also you say its superficial to fight over the land? did our cuntry not fight over rule of our land? do other countries not fight to control there land? what do you suggest they do, let them take it over just because they want it? I'm not sure what you were thinking when you made that comment

and prelewd, it doesn't matter that Jesus was born there, the reason they fight for it is because it is the Promised land given to the Jews from God, not because it contains Jesus' birthplace. also you say its superficial to fight over the land? did our cuntry not fight over rule of our land? do other countries not fight to control there land? what do you suggest they do, let them take it over just because they want it? I'm not sure what you were thinking when you made that comment

We fought for freedom from British rule.

I suggest they just get along and both live there, but that's impossible as long as state is mixed with church.

If I go to your house and say, "God gave me your house, now move out.", are you going to give it to me?

no I'm gonna fight you for it
which is what they are doing
make sense yet?

no I'm gonna fight you for it
which is what they are doing
make sense yet?

Yea, perfect sense.. I was just mocking whoever said that it was their land because "god" gave it to them.

"God" gave us the whole world in the beginning. "Us" being every living thing. I guess the people fighting over there just don't realize that.

You were mocking me?:) That's OK I didn't think anyone would take me seriously when I said that anyway. It's true that the Palestanians believe that god gave the land to them also. The Jewish people did take the land and have defended it pretty well. Please don't start saying they never would have if it weren't for America. I don't want to get into that arguement. (You get your friends to help when you need them.)
I also believe they should be able to come up with some peaceful solution and draw up a border that is fair and live there in peace. That will never happen however. Arab countries do not want them there . They are not shy about saying it publicly. Even if they only owned 1 square mile they would still want them out.:2cents:

Here's my :2cents:

The philosophical struggle, and particularly the struggle to comprehend the existence of God.
Oh, the thread we weave.. :grinno:

Augustine
“There is born the good hope of the faithful, accompanied only by a holy love….For cursed is everyone…who rests his hope in man.”


Hungry, ok, here's another :2cents:
If God created humans, then He can also determine how He makes his presence known to man.

Ok, I still don't see how the Jews took land that was historically theirs from the Arabs?? I think it is the other way around.

i just got done reading a book that traces the jews as the oldest culture on earth. its quite fascinating really.

whether it was theres in the past or not, they could have just asked

Ok, but um, if my peple were kicked out of Italy, I wouldn't want them to ask for it back, it's ITALY for god's sake... and that land was Israel.

im just posing a peaceful answer, not necessarily the right one

Ok, but I tend to not ask to have back what is rightfully mine... say you lent your best friend some precious ring... 20 years later you run into to him, I mean, you may ask "can I have my ring back" but you are really not asking, cause you are taking it back, "no" is not an option.

oh, i understand what your saying.

i was just stating that i merely have no expertise of the situation, and was merely trying to toss around ideas that would have ended in less death.

its just one of those things...why cant they live happily together. new englanders and texans happily live in the same nation without attacking each other. but for some reason, there a deep seeded distrust and almost hatred for the north down here. but we arent killing each other over it.

i know its a poor analogy, just trying to make a point.

its just one of those things...why cant they live happily together. new englanders and texans happily live in the same nation without attacking each other. but for some reason, there a deep seeded distrust and almost hatred for the north down here. but we arent killing each other over it.


Not everyone can be as good as America.... :lol: I'm going to get flamed so bad for that. Just kidding all you kiwis!



So where is god when you need him to sort things out in the middle east?

to quote my philosphy professor when discussing this very thing (the seemingly absent god)

"you know, i think god just said "let there be world" then sat back, tapped the eternal keg, and started watching cartoons"

Ya know all this is fortold in the Bible.

Ya know all this is fortold in the Bible.

Do explain..

No, I can see both points... I wouldn't be so willing ot leave my home if the US governemnt just announced that we have return LI to the Native Americans, but you saw my point. Honestly, that little area has been a hotbed since the beginnig of time... at one point you could say it was the center of the world, and though know longer, the whole world still has its eyes on it.

Do explain..

Genesis 21-25 I'm pretty sure. I'll have to check to be positive though.

well ive been away for a while, but how did we get onto the isreali and palastinain thing? But ok, lets see, i dont think that will ever be resolved, b/c both the palastinians and the jews are wrong(according to me) why? because God said that He'd give the land to the Jews if they followed him, and since they rejected Jesus, they have stopped following God, they still do the same things that the've done before Jesus came to Earth(thats why they are still fighing if they followed God the palastinians would run away or something, just go and read the parts of the Bible where Isreal becomes a nation). And the Palastinians, well, their god has not shown much ability to help them.

What was it that God said to Moses as he looked over the "Promise Land"?

coupel things here to address.

i fail to see how not following jesus means they stopped following god. i mean, they still worship the same god, they're just a little more cynical about the prophets

jews, christians and muslims all worship the same god...different prophets. the palestinians dont have seperate god. just a different prophet.

What was it that God said to Moses as he looked over the "Promise Land"?

I dont know excatly because i cant find it right now, could you pplz tell me where it is? But i have read it before, and why the heck would God support ppl and help them out when they have fallen and rejected him(Jesus). Are you one of those guys who says "everyones right? We all a different way of reaching the same goal?"


Well since most christians believe that Jesus is part of God and is God, then we dont worship the same God. Just b/c a religion is simular does not mean that they worship the same God.

i do seem to remember visiting a mosque and a synagouge as part of a religion class, and both mentioned that they worshipped the same god as the christians, but had different beliefs dealing with the prophets. muslims actually believe that they are the newest religion in the set of three, and the read from the torah, the bible and the quran. how are they not worshipping the same god as you?

Well because they do not believe that Jesus is Gods son, which is God or somehting so we do not worship the same God. I posted that in my last post, its simple.

but they do believe jesus was sent by god to spread the word of god. they just dont worship jesus seperately.

they even study the teachings of christ

Really? of course they twisted them to suit them, Jesus said that he was Gods son, the Muslims think he is a prophet, end of story. They make him into a totally seperate person, with just the same name. Being sent by God to teach his words and being God teaching his words is VERY different. If Jews really teach "his" preachings that news to me what to they say?

the torah and the old testimate are very much the same book. they accept jesus as gods prophet, just not as god. thats what makes them jewish, and not christian.

perhaps the muslims view christianity as simply twisting jesus into something he was not. why is it so hard for you to admit that you may worship the same god?

Its hard because its not really true when you really look at it, i agree its some times simular, oh and Jesus is in the New Testament not the old, and i think the torah and old testament is the same thing. The old testament says that there will be a massiah and the new testament says that Jesus is the massiah, which is not in the Jewish holy books or Muslim Koran. The reason i say we worship a different God is b/c Jesus is God and they do not believe that, (yes what is coming up goes againts what i said and i think that Jews and christians worship the same God in the old testament.) Ill try to explain more but have to go play with my dog, ill make another post this evening or something. If you dont understand this post which i am rushed to post ill edit it or post again.

I dont know excatly because i cant find it right now, could you pplz tell me where it is? But i have read it before, and why the heck would God support ppl and help them out when they have fallen and rejected him(Jesus). Are you one of those guys who says "everyones right? We all a different way of reaching the same goal?"

Deuteronomy 34
4 Then the LORD said to him, "This is the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when I said, 'I will give it to your descendants.' I have let you see it with your eyes, but you will not cross over into it."


No I'm not one of those guys. :)

God made a promise to them and God keeps his promises.


Well since most christians believe that Jesus is part of God and is God, then we dont worship the same God. Just b/c a religion is simular does not mean that they worship the same God.

Very true.

One has to be true and one has to be false. (or all have to be false.)
There are similarities but there is one huge difference.

Do we know our savior? Can we have a relationship with Him? Do we work our way to heaven without ever knowing if we have done enough to make it?

Yes, Yes, No.

Jesus is a savior we can and do know personally. No works will ever be enough.

awesome thread guys!!!

Deuteronomy 34
4 Then the LORD said to him, "This is the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when I said, 'I will give it to your descendants.' I have let you see it with your eyes, but you will not cross over into it."


No I'm not one of those guys. :)

God made a promise to them and God keeps his promises.

sweet, thanks I was quite mad with my self when i could not find that.

When ye have transgressed the covenant of the Lord your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and ye shal perish quickly from off the good loand which he hath given unto you. Joshua 23:16

Well there is no way I am going to read 27 pages of text but I just thought I throw three books at ya for any person w/ questions about God.

The Case for Faith: A Journalist Investigates the Toughest Objections to Christianity. By Lee Strobel

More Than a Carpenter by Josh McDowell

and if you are really into reading and studying

The New Evidence that Demands a Verdict, by Josh McDowell

I have read some of the older Evidence... books, ones w/o "New" in the title. Let me tell you something they are not easy to read and some may find them boring.

and for you believers this is an absolute must read

Don't Waste Your Life by John Piper
http://www.dontwasteyourlife.com/dwyl/
That is the most influential book I have ever read-besides the Bible of course. :)

'the case for christ' is a good book too... I forget who the author is

also 'the purpose driven life' is really good

'the case for christ' is a good book too... I forget who the author is

also 'the purpose driven life' is really good

Hey what up Soyo,

Yeah, that is Lee Strobel too, The Case for Christ.

I forgot about the Purpose Driven Life.

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hmm... I have a few questions but I am sure they have been stated 100 times already in this thread and yet.. I am not going to go threw 27pages to find it.. :p

Please ask. I for one don't mind re-answering on this topic if I can.

me either :D

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Where was God on Sept. 11?

Just kidding. :) Believer here.
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yea ask away...

I'm gonna answer the 9/11 question quickly just incase someone else reads this and is curious


God didn't do 9/11, America brought it on itself, a nation founded with God that has just about completely turned away from Him... Why should he protect us from terrorists? and sure some of those people were believers or good people and its not fair but thats how life is... everyone gets hurt for stupid peoples actions

its funny how, when things go wrong....ITS NOT GOD, but when things go well like "I WON THE LOTTO THANK U GOD!!!!!" it is god, WTF i dont want any part of it. its like trying to ask a woman why and expecting a reasonable and rational answer.

A lot of people see it just the opposite. When things go wrong they turn to God right away and either curse him for their misfortune or they blame him. Some only turn to God when something bad happens and ask him to get them out of it. When something good happens they don't even think of God.
There is a verse in scriptures that goes something like this. All good things come from your Father in heaven.

A lot of people see it just the opposite. When things go wrong they turn to God right away and either curse him for their misfortune or they blame him. Some only turn to God when something bad happens and ask him to get them out of it. When something good happens they don't even think of God.
There is a verse in scriptures that goes something like this. All good things come from your Father in heaven.


exactly, like 9/11. everyone said, where was God during 9/11? well where were you when God blessed you with a new job or a promotion or husband/wife? did you thank him or even acknowledge the blessing came from him?

if you aren't gonna thank him for blessings why should he protect you from harm?

it works both ways

I have no idea why people really really really think about GOd. and I dont know why poeple call God him or other call God her. Also it is believed that if you think about god like way too much then you will become crazy because ther is no way you could prove something about God that it is only a creator and we know nothing about God. SO I suggest those very good thinkers to kind of stuff thinking about God and trying to figure out God. Also it looks like know one will know in the next 100 years because people still say that no GOD exists and like some other person said on this thread that we just started to appear like the universe. Why waste time thinking about God when it has given us Human to live and use our brains for better stuff and newer ideas and just love God for what it has given us. I'm not saying that the people that are thinking about him oo much are crazy just saying that thinking and asking questions will never solve anything when there is prove for the answers and for the questions for asking.Thanks and God Bless!!!

"Is there a God?? "

Yes, they or "God" is an alien race.....

I have no idea why people really really really think about GOd. and I dont know why poeple call God him or other call God her. Also it is believed that if you think about god like way too much then you will become crazy because ther is no way you could prove something about God that it is only a creator and we know nothing about God. SO I suggest those very good thinkers to kind of stuff thinking about God and trying to figure out God. Also it looks like know one will know in the next 100 years because people still say that no GOD exists and like some other person said on this thread that we just started to appear like the universe. Why waste time thinking about God when it has given us Human to live and use our brains for better stuff and newer ideas and just love God for what it has given us. I'm not saying that the people that are thinking about him oo much are crazy just saying that thinking and asking questions will never solve anything when there is prove for the answers and for the questions for asking.Thanks and God Bless!!!

:eek7:

sorry but I think your whole post was retarded

I have no idea why people really really really think about GOd. and I dont know why poeple call God him or other call God her. Also it is believed that if you think about god like way too much then you will become crazy because ther is no way you could prove something about God that it is only a creator and we know nothing about God. SO I suggest those very good thinkers to kind of stuff thinking about God and trying to figure out God. Also it looks like know one will know in the next 100 years because people still say that no GOD exists and like some other person said on this thread that we just started to appear like the universe. Why waste time thinking about God when it has given us Human to live and use our brains for better stuff and newer ideas and just love God for what it has given us. I'm not saying that the people that are thinking about him oo much are crazy just saying that thinking and asking questions will never solve anything when there is prove for the answers and for the questions for asking.Thanks and God Bless!!!
I think u had a nice and thoughtout post, and they may not be crazy but there semblance to lemmings is uncanning isnt it lololol

I just found this one and I wish I found it when it starts. I am a firm believer in doing things myself. In total reality, there is no God. And even if there was, He (for the sake of me being lazy) doesn't need to do anything. God is our creator because humans don't understand where we came from which is something that cannot be proven by science or other methods...right now. Also, God was created by people because we didn't know the answer to how we got here. Just think, if we were not here, the notion of God would not even exist, even if it did amongst other living things, it wouldn't matter because our lack of existence prevents that from even being a thought. Now, if everyone starts to believe in something, they will pass that on to some people, who, in turn, will pass it on to other people, etc. But back in the old days it was all word of mouth and stories got botched along the way because people's minds are strutured different from one another. (just imagine a major game of telephone) What one person hears, their mind paints a picture and whatever picture they paint becomes their reality, and they use that picture to explain things to others.
God was a thought, then a theory, then a story, then God was a method used in an equation that was an attempt to solve the 'where do we come from' question.
So, God is basically a fabrication of people who need some static parent figure that we are supposed to image because someone put it in the minds of people that we need to be in check. And religion is a great way to brainwash people into spending money on donations to their church and stuff like that because they are afraid to go to hell.
I don't believe in God. If God exists, then He exists. Good for him. But here on earth, I'm doing what I am set out to do. No one is going to stop me, not even God. And if He exists, then He knows what I'm doing because of the basic priciples of onmipotence in divine figures...

you write a huge book, call it the truth, let it go around the world for 2000 years and see if it can go without being proved wrong... ofcourse you can't. so how can you say people made up the Bible? no one has been able to prove even the smallest part of it wrong for 2000 years and yet you still have no faith.... please, I welcome you to explain it to me

you write a huge book, call it the truth, let it go around the world for 2000 years and see if it can go without being proved wrong... ofcourse you can't. so how can you say people made up the Bible? no one has been able to prove even the smallest part of it wrong for 2000 years and yet you still have no faith.... please, I welcome you to explain it to me

I don't know if this was directed toward me: The Bible is a book of stories written by people throughout the course of time. The New Testament is basically a bunch of stories about a man that actually existed. These stories have meanings. Those meanings are ways to set moral standards in people because people always need a parent figure to help show them how to live properly...and religion is a way of doing that...and the Bible is a way to do that. It imposes a set of standards that people should follow in order to live happily. Now, these stories are supposed to be open to interpretation, but many people allow certain figures to determine those stories for them...and when that happens, these stories somehow become conrete and people live by these stories and this causes problems.
The Bible cannot be proven wrong because they are stories.
Also, I do have faith, but not in a book or an intangible parent-figure. I have faith in myself; knowing that no one can do anything better for me, than me.

-"God doesn't believe in Athiests(sp), hence the athiest doesn't exist."-ray comfort

its all the aliens work, they dont want us to figure it out yet.

THE SOLUTION TO EVERYTHING IN THIS THREAD:


Read.................The....................Bible. ...................



Chronicles 4:10
And Jabez called on The Lord of Israel, saying, Oh that thou would bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that thine hand might be with me, and that thou wouldest keep me from evil, that it may not grieve me! And God granted him that which he requested.

Psalms 118:24
This is the day that The Lord has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.


A few things to keep in mind... the Bible has the answer to everything.

Ive heard of yelling through using caps, but that beats all ^^^^^

A few things to keep in mind... the Bible has the answer to everything.
Exactly. The only people who 'need all the answers' are pathetic, insecure beings.

Who cares about the answers to life? I have dozens of questions and zero answers, but I'm enjoying life more than ever.

I don't know if this was directed toward me: The Bible is a book of stories written by people throughout the course of time. The New Testament is basically a bunch of stories about a man that actually existed. These stories have meanings. Those meanings are ways to set moral standards in people because people always need a parent figure to help show them how to live properly...and religion is a way of doing that...and the Bible is a way to do that. It imposes a set of standards that people should follow in order to live happily. Now, these stories are supposed to be open to interpretation, but many people allow certain figures to determine those stories for them...and when that happens, these stories somehow become conrete and people live by these stories and this causes problems.
The Bible cannot be proven wrong because they are stories.
Also, I do have faith, but not in a book or an intangible parent-figure. I have faith in myself; knowing that no one can do anything better for me, than me.

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seriously man, you have obviously never read the whole Bible or studied it very much. Sure it has a bunch of stories, but it has a lot more than that! don't post rubish if you have no idea what your talking about please!

Exactly. The only people who 'need all the answers' are pathetic, insecure beings.

Who cares about the answers to life? I have dozens of questions and zero answers, but I'm enjoying life more than ever.

Well have a fun eternity in Hell! I have a ton of questions no one can answer either, but thats just because we aren't supposed to know everything...

I won't even continue with this post because I'll just end up pissing someone off and no one here is open minded enough to consider anything I say anyways