fast and the furious

hey come on n e tard can drive straight...i wanna see like a nascar race with ahem "suped up" cars. im not 1 for looks as i am making a sleeper, and can some one please tell me how i beat a porsche boxter in my 94/honda prelude Si 5spd man.

Originally posted by NismoDrifts
so, since its an oxidant, does this mean its gonna catalyze the burning effect?! not explode or burn more, but speed up the burning process?

It acts as a catalyst to the chemical reaction (Flammable material burning) Sooo, it will burn hotter, more quickly and will ignite flammable stuff more easily. This is what a catalyst does to any chemical reaction, it speeds it up and makes it easier to happen.

Originally posted by Polygon


As for the Charger Supra debate. All the charger had done to it mainly was the 5 point blower. Had you modded it some more say bye bye to the Supra. The Charger has much more potential depending on the engine. But the Supra will be abl;e to out handle the Charger anyday of the week.

The blower and the Hemi, you can see the heads of that engine clear as day in the garage. Not sure what size it is though, 426? 528? 572? Who knows.

As for the handling, man you got that right, don't get me wrong I am probably the most enthusiastic Charger nut I have ever seen, but like they say, "Looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a cow". :frog: It is a issue I am having a hard time trying to figure out with mine.

Its probably a biggified 426. Thats what Top Fuellers use today quite often, with about 7000hp.

An example of what happens with an oxident: You cut an oxygen tank with a torch. It would explode. What happens is that the oxygen makes the metal burn really hot and fast, then you, the torch, everything in the area. It will completely dissintegrate it, but it will have all been burned, not exploded.

An example of what happens with an oxident: You cut an oxygen tank with a torch. It would explode. What happens is that the oxygen makes the metal burn really hot and fast, then you, the torch, everything in the area. It will completely dissintegrate it, but it will have all been burned, not exploded.

yup, thats what id always thought

opticon...
the tq made it stand up, but it is impossible for the tires to spin then...
standing up means lots of traction, wheelspin means not enough... you cant have the wheelstand and that much spin at the same time...
that is what the debate was on.
the supra could take the charger, depending... if they were both "9 second cars" it would have happened. also.
the charger threw a rod. it would mean curtains for the race. it would have stopped. you cant really stomp on it more. it would tear alot apart. and nitrous is used all over the place in lotsa cars, it wouldnt have blown up the supra.

also... a nascar race is not really alllll that different than a drag race. go for some touring car racing...
or v8 supercars from australia... rwd v8 touring cars. that is some racing...

Not to diss my favorite car in the world, but a picture is worth a thousand words.

http://64.41.98.98/movies/ff/wwwee.jpg

Why do the wheelie bars go the wrong way?

on the serious note, if those cars were for real and there was as much money put in that Charger as as it appears, it would definatly bust up more than its fair share in the straight away. Not on even the slightest curved road but definitely in the long and straight.

when the thing got up on a wheelie, it rode it for a while nice and smooth and straight. now how the hell would u do that without a wheelie bar? youd either fall back down or keep going back till the bumper thumps the ground, then fall to the ground. u cant really "ride" a wheelie with no wheelie bar. especially not nice and smooth and straight like that.

Yeah, I liked the movie, the cars definately hept my attention through the many other shgortcomings of the movie. Anyways, one thing that bothered me... the Eclipse at the beginning had a roof scoop. What would be the purpose of this? Rear brake/system cooling? If so, it seems like a rather circuitous route for the air. It looks pretty cool, but I just can't figure out what the point was.

watch the monte carlo rally on speedvision tonite at 11.
you'll understand the scoop.
it is an air intake for fresh air to the driver as well as various other routes, mainly a fresh air intake though.

true on the wheelie. even in that pic you can see the start of tire smoke as it is up. not happenin... oh well... nothing is perfect... i guess "the look" is better than reality some times...

Originally posted by flylwsi
true on the wheelie. even in that pic you can see the start of tire smoke as it is up. not happenin... oh well... nothing is perfect... i guess "the look" is better than reality some times...

I have Pictures of a charger that dose the 1/4 mile on its rear wheels, this car however was modified for this purpose. The engine is behind the driver to lighten the load up front and it has wheelie bars in the rear to keep it off its roof. It's a real sweet car with only one sad part.... It was to be part of the Dukes of Hazard's last season, so it has the start of the General Lee's decal job. I'll try to post the pics when I get home in the morning.

Hell, there are tons of drag cars that ride wheelies, they have their own class here in the US, "Wheel Standers" They have wheelie bars though :D I even saw a gutted school bus that was a wheelstander, now that was seriously farked!

Hey does anyone know if there are any real races like "Race Wars". If there are I would like to know where they are. I think it would be fun to go to. Also why would you put thousands into a car and then race for slips. I think that that is stupid.

Originally posted by poopiegeorge
oops :eek: i had mentioned previously in this post that the eclipse...at
least in one scene(where they pop the hood) is a GST or a GSX.....

i watched it again...sorry, i was wrong...it's the DODGE non turbo motor
it's just got the shit polished out of it...thing must be so fast with all
that chrome....

haha...it's prolly not much faster than mine...the most i could see done
to it was that it had an intake, header, and exhaust....therefore it might
have something like 155 to 160 hp...if it's running well...but that's at the crank...
more like 120 rear wheel horsepower...lol...
i doubt they would throw nitros into that car for real, and waste all the
effort put into making the motor pretty

i apologize for that statement about the gsx...i felt like an ass when i
watched the video and sat that it was a chrysler 420a motor...lol...

however, supposedly...they make a turbo kit for that motor and it's
supposed to be pretty good...brings you up to like 260hp...then again
for the money...you can get a used gst or gsx....get a exhaust, filter,
and manual boost controller and prolly come somewhere close to
that mark...and not be straining the motor much


anyway i'm done talking because apparently, as time goes on, i find
that everything i type here turns out to be bullshit...haha


ok first off. you guys have no clue what your talking about when it comes to DSMs, so ill start by throwing you guys a frickin bone.

1) the 2G T Eclipses use the 4G63 turbo engine and they get around 220 horses. the 2G NT Eclipses use the 420A non turbo engine and get around 200hp.

2) the stock turbo engines are on the right side with the intake and turbo on the left. the normally aspirated ones are on the left with intake on the right. ( i heard someone saying this back in the beginning of the post so im just confirming his post)

3) there are turbo upgrade kits that will allow the 2g NT (the 420A) to reach 500 hp with an basically stock engine and get high 10s and low 11 @ the .25 mile while still having the back seats, a/c, and other pleasantries associated with a daily driver. it is possible to break the 500hp mark with other upgrades, and is not at all impossible to get into the 600hp area (ever hear of a neon with 600hp??? its true. look it up).

4) the engine that is in the 2g T is also used in other DSM cars. The gsx gst eclipse share the same engine as the GV-4, Laser, and Talon TSi,

and the 420A engine is in the dodge neon, laser, and talon non turbos.

the parts that come with the engine can withstand up to 450 hp before you have to change anything within the engine. its a very nice engine for a quad knocker.

just thought you guys should be shown the light. :sun:

the 4-5 lengths i can put on a stock non turbo eclipse in the 1/4mile says to me they do not have 200hp (as i only have 160-170). seems more like 140hp. i dunno for sure, but if they do have 200hp like u said, where the hell is it all going? its not to the wheels thats for sure!
oh and im curious, show me a 500hp (originally non turbo) eclipse with stock internals

Originally posted by mahtoosacks



1) the 2G T Eclipses use the 4G63 turbo engine and they get around 220 horses. the 2G NT Eclipses use the 420A non turbo engine and get

4G63

Size: 1.997
Form: Inline-4
Max Power Output: 151 kW (202 HP)
RPM @ Max Power: 5000
Max Torque: 254 Nm (187 lb-ft)
RPM @ Max Torque: 3000
Compression Ratio: 7.8:1
BMEP: 18.9 kg/cm2 (269 psi)
Supercharger: Mitsubishi Turbo, Watercooled
Air/Air Intercooler
Pressure Control: Wastegate
Direct Port Injection
Emissions: Catalytic Converter, Oxygen Sensor

I donno what the NA's do but I'd say around 140hp. Btw this info was cross referenced from several websites so I'm pretty sure it's right.

there are turbo upgrade kits that will allow the 2g NT (the 420A) to reach 500 hp with an basically stock engine and get high 10s and low 11 @ the .25 mile while still having the back seats, a/c, and other pleasantries associated with a daily driver. it is possible to break the 500hp mark with other upgrades, and is not at all impossible to get into the 600hp area (ever hear of a neon with 600hp??? its true. look it up).
But how pray tell are you going to get enough fuel into the cylinder to use all that air your forcing in? I donno how much the drivetrain would like being asked to carry 500+ horses to the ground in a drag situation, that brings a bad smell to mind also, the smell of an overheated clutch. Not to mention downpipes, a cold air box, new IC, and intakes to feed all this air your going to be using. Just exactialy how much boost are you guessing it would take to do this?

I donno, you can get almost any car into the 500hp range, but the amount of money it will take is one thing, and the stability of the car is another you have to take into account.

my bad on the horsepower but the NT isnt that low. its around the 200 mark. but anyways

the beauty is that it works perfectly. there are some modifications to the engine is you wanna go over 400 like cams and rods, but other than that it works fine. you would need a stronger clutch. like a 2600lb rather than stock. and the drivetrain can handle it. its been done flawlessly.

http://www.hahnracecraft.com/

check that out if you think im full of shit

i forgot the fuel question


625cc FUEL INJECTORS!!!!!!!

Originally posted by mahtoosacks
i forgot the fuel question


625cc FUEL INJECTORS!!!!!!! Hehe, hell yea, and a new fuel pump while your at it:D

Your probly right, I don't know much about the Mitsi drivetrain. I was just assuming that for the level of car that it is (as apposed to a higher lvl like the 3000gt and such) that you would have to do some work on the drivetrain and perhaps gearbox, but if not... Go Mitsi!!

okay i can believe 500 hp if youre gonna swap pistons and rods and such i thought u were talking about an internally stock motor. i still dunno bout the na eclipse putting out that much power though...

Mahtoosax....i have to add to your post as well...i apologize in advance:

ok first off. you guys have no clue what your talking about when it comes to DSMs, so ill start by throwing you guys a frickin bone.
--I own a dsm

1) the 2G T Eclipses use the 4G63 turbo engine and they get around 220 horses. the 2G NT Eclipses use the 420A non turbo engine and get around 200hp.
--the stock 2g 4g63 gets 210 hp from the factory, the older 1G got like 190 i believe
--the stock 420A puts out 140hp

2) the stock turbo engines are on the right side with the intake and turbo on the left. the normally aspirated ones are on the left with intake on the right. ( i heard someone saying this back in the beginning of the post so im just confirming his post)
--you got that one right

3) there are turbo upgrade kits that will allow the 2g NT (the 420A) to reach 500 hp with an basically stock engine and get high 10s and low 11 @ the .25 mile while still having the back seats, a/c, and other pleasantries associated with a daily driver. it is possible to break the 500hp mark with other upgrades, and is not at all impossible to get into the 600hp area (ever hear of a neon with 600hp??? its true. look it up).
--these kits are available from Hahn, starting at like 2500 and up. the
highest hp they have reported is like something over 400...but not 500
they only have one car that is doing 11's, no reported customer cars in
the 11 second range...from what i can see, not even close. don't
believe all the hype...i've asked all over the web about these kits...and
the only praise i have seen is what is on the hahn website. everyone
else says "sell your non turbo, get a real dsm"

4) the engine that is in the 2g T is also used in other DSM cars. The gsx gst eclipse share the same engine as the GV-4, Laser, and Talon TSi,

--yes they do

and the 420A engine is in the dodge neon, laser, and talon non turbos.

--yes it is, also in the lowwer dodge stealth

the parts that come with the engine can withstand up to 450 hp before you have to change anything within the engine. its a very nice engine for a quad knocker.
--read the hahn site again....are you referring to the 420a here? if so,
they say it can withstand 265hp before you need to put in forged
pistons and rods. they say 400 hp has been reached "without motor
modification" meaning, no modification to the internals of the motor
that would add more hp. Meaning they put in forged pistons and rods.

just thought you guys should be shown the light. i own a dsm



---like i said, i apologize for tearing your post apart...you were on the
right track here...

Originally posted by AlexB
The charger was like an 11 sec car... the supra has 700hp in real life.


Um no, ok frist off that supra was only 326 horse under the hood and i happen to know for a fact that the charger in that movie is a 9 second car, because the personal owner of it had it in a magazine of mopar muscle or whatever. If your wondering how thats possible because the charger was recked, well there were 2 of them and the fake got recked. thought id clear that up.

this has been stated over and over...
the supra had 540ish, and 642 with nos.

Originally posted by ldelaysionl
the 4-5 lengths i can put on a stock non turbo eclipse in the 1/4mile says to me they do not have 200hp (as i only have 160-170). seems more like 140hp.

from 2gnt.com
Powertrain Notes
Background:
This information was originally obtained from the Sebring/Avenger Performance Page.
The information applies equally well to the non-turbo Eclipse and Talon, as the Chrysler 420A motor is the same. In fact, the Avenger/Sebring share the same floorplan as the Eclipse, some body & trim panels, and are built in the same plant.



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POWERTRAIN
This is a very detailed explaination of the Avenger and Sebring 2.0 Engine and other subsystems!
Information provided by Dr. David Zatz, and sourced from the Allpar (Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge Central) site at www.allpar.com/mopar/2dohc.html.


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ENGINE SYSTEMS
- Double Overhead Camshaft 2.0 Liter Four-Cylinder Engine
GENERAL INFORMATION
Avenger and Sebring feature a new Chrysler-designed double overhead camshaft (DOHC) four-cylinder engine that is compact and light weight. Displacement is 1996 cm(cubed) (121.8 in(cubed)). The engine is slightly over square with a bore of 87.5 mm (3.44 in.) and a stroke of 83 mm (3.26 in.) Compression ratio is 9.6:1. The engine is designed to run on regular-grade unleaded gasoline.

ENGINE PERFORMANCE
The engine has a very high specific output of 70 bhp/liter for brisk performance. Its ratings are:
Power @ rpm Torque @ rpm
140 bhp @ 6000 130 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
104 kW @ 6000 178 N-m @ 4800 rpm



hmm, 140hp, isnt that exactly what i 1st estimated? wow! ive surprised even myself with my seat-of-the-pants dyno technique!

No one take me seriously please, some of you guys are harsh. but my point is, this could also be sound effects, but, whenever that cop guy hit the gas in his eclipse, it seemed like you could hear a blow-off valve, an i thought you could only have a blow-off valve if you had a turbo. but like i said, it was just a thought, i have seen fake blow-off valves that were run off the battery and made a fake hissing sound, personally, i think its kind of fruity, but thats not the point is, i think that dudes S2000 was pretty wicked. as for "NOS", nitrous, i think its cheating.

fake blow off valves? thats not just fruity, thats outright GAAAAAAAY!

Yeah, i liked that S2000 if it werent for the gay lil ninja star graphics......those cars would look so good without them.....

Im all for nitrous though, its the persons choice.......its the lil freaks that go "NAWS NAWS NAWS!" (i call them naws-goblins) that ruin it for everyone.

Hi to everyone, I just got signed up so this is my first post. I have watched the Fast and the Furious quite a few times and let me say If I wasn't a car fanatic then I would have never have watched it. Thier are some unrealistic things in that movie. Like any car person knows a cool air intake like on the elcipse, a cool air intake doesn't work with a turbo. And another thing I mean I love the charger in that movie I like Detroit muscle but it is not possible for a car to to a wheelie and a burnout at the same time. Also I agree they should have had more domestic cars in that movie and more older cars. Because alot of people that have old cars drag them. Another thing I live in Seattle and I haven;t raced any lamborgini's or Ferrari's but I have a 1970 Camaro RS with a built 327 with 455 hp and let me say I haven't met an import I couldn't anihalate. Old cars can produce so much power for alot less. But don't get me wrong if I had 78,000 dollars I would buy Craig Leiberman's supra. Old or new fast cars rock. But it would be cool in F&F 2 if they had import cars race old cars kinda like the Chevelle Dom has at the very end of the Movie.

Originally posted by Avolow
Not to diss my favorite car in the world, but a picture is worth a thousand words.

http://64.41.98.98/movies/ff/wwwee.jpg

Why do the wheelie bars go the wrong way?

on the serious note, if those cars were for real and there was as much money put in that Charger as as it appears, it would definatly bust up more than its fair share in the straight away. Not on even the slightest curved road but definitely in the long and straight.

Hey guy those would be traction bars more than likely

one reason i would much rather have that charger than any rice rocket is because all rice rocket owners brag about putting 1200 into their civic to get it to be a 10 second car you can put 1200 into a charger and any other big block old car and you could get yourself an 6,7,8 second car

MAN! It is nice to see some more Mopar people in here to back me up.
Anyhow, why would they put a wheelie bar on a car they WANTED to do a wheelie? I would have to agree with roadrunner that those are traction bars.

As for the debate about who would win. The Charger would kill in a actual race. And what did it have done besides a big ass blower? Also anyone know what engine was under the hood? 440ci, 426ci Hemi, 511ci Hemi, or 528ci Hemi?

A single horsepower is defined as the ability to lift 550 lbs one foot in one second. using this definition, the charger would actually need MORE power than a civic in order to run as fast as the civic does. the civic is lighter, therefore less horsepower is needed in order to make it run 10s as the heavier charger. why do u think sport bikes can run 10s and 11s with 140hp?

of course this is assuming both cars have the same gearing, traction, and other factors. the civic is not a performance car, so why compare it to a charger? the limited traction of fwd is its main fallback, it would be better to compare it to a neon than a charger. why not see how far 1200hp will take an rx7, unless youre afraid the charger cant keep up with a japanese performance car and thats why u compare it to an economy car.

examples: nibo racing rx7--700hp--7.92@166mph
flaco racing rx7--798hp--7.58@175mph
rafaelito racing rx7--7??hp--7.66@177mph
siguel racing rx7--???hp--7.33@139mph
btw all these rely on a 1.3liter engine except for siguel which uses a 2.0, imagine what they could do with 1200hp like u said, as they now have just over half that amout!

disclaimer: i am in no way against chargers or any muscle cars, it was just crazy to compare an economy car to a muscle car, then to say the lighter vehicle needs more power than the heavy vehicle in order to keep up.

ya know everyone who came out of watching fast and the Furious only talked about the SuPra EcliPse and CHarger ... they all tight but i meen what about the Rx_7???
That Rx-7 was bad ass and would smoke em all those rotory engines are sick !! those 2 rotors would tear it up no doubt cant wait for that rx-8 2003! well i still give that charger mad props o_0

word...
yo, i funna be chekin out dah charger fo shizzle!
aight?!

oh gawd:rolleyes: but the wankel is the greatest engine ever created.

none of those rice rockets could touch that charger
one reason i would much rather have that charger than any rice rocket is because all rice rocket owners brag about putting 1200 into their civic to get it to be a 10 second car you can put 1200 into a charger and any other big block old car and you could get yourself an 6,7,8 second car




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA---everyone posting on this thread should know atleast a little about this subject. most likly everyone has read 'racer x' the article that started the idea for TFATF. even if you didnt know this information already, that article would tell you. the east coast record for a honda civic 1/4 mile time is 11.3 and the west coast is 10.something. so NO if you only put $1200 in a civic then you would probably have a respectible 12 second car. and if anyone here can go out and buy a charger, ect. and put 1200 in it and make it a 6 second car then your amazing. 8 seconds at the fastest with that budget. just my thoughts

I would have to agree, I don't see anyone pulling 6 seconds out of that car with $1200. But any Charger with a 440ci Six pack or 426ci Hemi, you could just slap a big ass blower and be pulling under 10 with a few slight mods. Now just imagine and blown 511ci Hemi or 528ci Hemi.

where are these records coming from?
what about lisa kubo, or papadakis, or any other fwd car really...
there are civics (unibody, not tube) hittin under tens..
and papadakis is almost in 7s... geez.

and those arent traction bars on the charger...
traction bars would push UP against the leafs/frame, not down away...

Originally posted by flylwsi

traction bars would push UP against the leafs/frame, not down away...

agreed...

don't get me wrong the movie is the shit....i love, but there are more mistakes in this movie than i have ever seen in any movie, i mean come on they could have tried a little harder to make it better, the funniest part is at the begining when brian is trying to max out his car and he shifts 7 times..if you dont believe me watch the movie.....anyway i still love the movie and will prolly watch it tonight haha

my favorite part is when brian's computer is flashing "manifold breakdown" or something like that and he screams "shut up!" as if it wouldnt break if he said it

my favorite part is when brian's computer is flashing "manifold breakdown" or something like that and he screams "shut up!" and shuts the computer as if it wouldnt break if he did that

I hated that movie, i could make a better import movie than that one... never seen such long ass 1/4 miles

since everyone disliked it... my challenge is this... make a better race scene, like a 1/4, or a chase scene or something, and post it up... you can do it if you rent out a track or something...

everyone likes to say that they can do better, and yeah, that includes me.... but to make something that looks better is tough... better ideas, yeah, better movie... eh.

that would rock, an AF movie, we could do it right! Show em that its about havin fun, not gangs and hijackin trucks and shootin up green eclipses and watchin fake nos explode....