Civics Kick Ass

In my school there are alot of kids who thimk that imports are a waste of time and money, they all have gas guzzling, heavy muscle cars i can't wait to drop a new engine and kick all there asses and prove them that imports are good cars!:smoka:

That is so true...my friends prelude kills mustang cobras all the time:sun:

Sure!

Muscle cars are gas hogs and are expensive to keep up imports if tuned and suped up can kick any street muscle cars ass.:flipa:

Now, look. I am not ripping on imports, there are a lot of imports that I like. But the truth is, a good muscle car will mow you down. Sure tune the hell out of your Honda and it will beat a muscle car, but tune the hell out of the muscle car as well, and say bye bye. Trust me, I have tuned both and raced both.

You do have a point, if you do tune muscle cars they will definitly win. one thing that i think is unfair is that if you put an Exhaust on a import and you get at most 10hp if you are lucky but for muscle cars you put on an exhaust and you get 50hp, thats on good thing about muscle cars. but they are gas hogs:smoka:

The reason you get more bang with the exaust is because those engines suck and blow better than a little four banger. :D

As for the gas, doesn't bother me too much as I only take my muscle cars out on the weekends.

But the fact of the matter is, they don't make big heavy musclecars anymore. Their handling is shitty. They are like boats, and yeah, they can do burnouts pretty easy but driving around is cumbersome. My all time favorite car was a 1970 Dodge Challenger with a 440 6-pack. 6 barrels, can you believe that?!?! You hit the gas once, and you're at ahalf a tank. I've driven a Challenger, and I've also driven a 1976 trans AM, and no joke, I'd take my civic over those two anyday... well, maybe not the trans am. hehe. I loved that car.

A kid in my school has a gto 402 and he thinks that no import can beeat him, same with a kid who has a 350 camaro they don't know how good imports are because you can have them as daily drivers and still have alot of power and good control!!

The reason why Exhuast can gain 30hp on Domestic car is because of Displacement.

Import doesn't really mean gas saver and Domestic doesn't mean gas guzzler. That was true 15 years ago but not anymore now.

And you can always improve handling.

Originally posted by Polygon
And you can always improve handling.

Yes you could with aftermarket parts. However the main part of how car handles is the chassis. If you have a soft chassis doesn't matter how big anti-roll bar you put in the car still have it's limits for improvment. You need a solid chassis to work with or else you be down big time.

Originally posted by F20C


Yes you could with aftermarket parts. However the main part of how car handles is the chassis. If you have a soft chassis doesn't matter how big anti-roll bar you put in the car still have it's limits for improvment. You need a solid chassis to work with or else you be down big time.

True, unfortunatly true.

look. i love imports, and i hate domestics. but realize that YOU WILL LOSE to a Z28 '95+ period. it really doesn't matter what kind of engine you have.

Sup people Honda's are the most preffered cars to race so i dunt know about those US cars.
Now this is my ride!

I won't

lilguyk9, that is impressive to look at! What engine is that and what kind of numbers are you running!?:eek:

However, the 99+ stang gt is the fastest production mustang ever bosting a 1/4 mile timeslip of just over 14 seconds. Thats really not bad for a 21,000 dollar car. True, they don't handle great, for a performance car anyway (.84 compared to a 32,000 dallar camero ss that only gets .85 on the skidpad). They handle better than a stock civic (not to bash on civics though caus I love them and am about to buy one) and have great potential especially with companies out there like Steeda.
In my opinion, the mustang cobra (01 model only) is one of the best bang for the buck cars out there (along with the corvett zo6) bosting independent suspension and putting out 320 horsies at the crank. Now to me, thats pretty damn good for a baseline price of only 28,000.
One of my favorite cars right now is the vett zo6. I can't remember exactly but the horsepower is about 365. What is really impressive about it though is that it gets right under a 1.0g on the skidpad. Thats really impressive given the 50,000 dollar pricetag.

Please don't be ignorant and educate yourselves. American cars suck...my ass they do.

O, and one more thing, they sound soooo much better than imports (with the exception of the WRX :-).

Originally posted by lilguyK9
Sup people Honda's are the most preffered cars to race so i dunt know about those US cars.
Now this is my ride!

??? I dont even race other import cars unless they are a Supra, 300ZX, RX7 or an NSX. But there are pleanty of Stangs, LS1, Vettes and Vipers that can and do hand me my ass. Hondas and accuras aren't worth the time since there are so few fast ones out there. Its like one in 20,000 that actually has any mods and probably one in 75000 that is actually fast.

Honda prefered for racing? Sorry dude, but thats just stupid. Sure there are fast ass hondas out there, but they are few and far between and hardly the preferred car to race in.

well I pick up this legendary JDM B16A in Montreal. And rite now it runs with impressive results of 152.4 hp and 107.7 ft-lbs torque :devil:

I also did a nitro instalation which is workin great.

what IS the best car to race?
I just upgraded my honda and it can pull 152 hps.

Originally posted by lilguyK9
what IS the best car to race?
I just upgraded my honda and it can pull 152 hps.

That depends on the race at hand. Its hard to beat the VR4 in a stop light to stop light race. With 320hp stock and AWD it launches with the best on the planet. For highway speeds a LS1 (C5 Vette, Camero SS or Trans Am WS6) can be king of the hill.

I dont this to degenerate into the tired arguement of this mod vs that mod on different cars. Any car can be made to go fast, but I only consider cars that you dont have to ask yourself if they are fast. You just know it by the model.

well. it all depends. a 3kgt is a hella fast car. but it's not nimble. at all. a civic, with, say, a b18c5 (type r) is a nimble little bastard, but for straightline stuff, from a stop a vr-4 kinda rocks all. i wanna see a vr-4 with turbo intakes vs a skyline.

:confused:

why are we even having this conversation???

the whole import vs. domestic debate is pointless.

it doesn't matter who is better, or what is better.

all that matters is WHAT you choose to do with WHAT you have.

It is the tuner or owner that makes a car dope, not the nation or stereotypes that surround it.

;)

SORRY, i had to sound like a jackass to get my point across.
BUT people who think their Tempos can take me are str8 mangled.

NOW THIS IS AN IMPORT!!!!

:rolleyes:

OK...you claim that that is your car...on both this thread and the 'show your car' thread. That is not your car. The engine in the picture is not a B16a, those are not NOS mountings, IT HAS A FUZZY F*CKING STEERING WHEEL FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! [refer to page 4 of other thread]

the person who owns that car does NOT kick out an 'impressive' 152hp...they kick out well over 200 given the work done to the engine; let alone the additional boost coming from the ?alcohol? system in the ?trunk?:confused:

either way both the real owner of the car and yourself have made some very bad descisions; he in real life, and you on this board.

if you dont know shit about cars, and/or are 16 and drive your moms DX 10mph over the limit and can barely compose a correct sentence to post....that's fine, we're still down....

but dont set yourself up for this criticism. if you are like me, and dont have a pic of your car scanned...then live with it, and dont post someone else's ride.

ULTRA SELF-RIGHTEOUSLY YOURS,
The Fastcode


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289 hp - 208 ft/lbs - 11.203

BLAH BLAH BLAH!! IM DONE!!

Originally posted by VortechCivicSTL
:rolleyes:

OK...you claim that that is your car...on both this thread and the 'show your car' thread. That is not your car. The engine in the picture is not a B16a, those are not NOS mountings, IT HAS A FUZZY F*CKING STEERING WHEEL FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! [refer to page 4 of other thread]

the person who owns that car does NOT kick out an 'impressive' 152hp...they kick out well over 200 given the work done to the engine; let alone the additional boost coming from the ?alcohol? system in the ?trunk?:confused:

either way both the real owner of the car and yourself have made some very bad descisions; he in real life, and you on this board.

if you dont know shit about cars, and/or are 16 and drive your moms DX 10mph over the limit and can barely compose a correct sentence to post....that's fine, we're still down....

but dont set yourself up for this criticism. if you are like me, and dont have a pic of your car scanned...then live with it, and dont post someone else's ride.

ULTRA SELF-RIGHTEOUSLY YOURS,
The Fastcode


Hey dude, I agree. I have seen many people on Instant Messanger claiming to have these full blown street cars. They show me a pic that I have seen on many sites and I think, well it could be there car. So then I just ask them a few easy questions about their car and they blow it. They don't have a clue what they are talking about. BTW, those two "nitrous bottles" in his trunk look like hydrolic cylinders to me.

Now, I'm only 15 turning 16 January 4th and I don't bullshit about cars that I own online. I tell everyone that I only have my permit and I still have to drive with my parents. But LILGUYK9, like VortechCivicSTL said, it's cool if you don't know stuff about cars, just don't bullshit.

Amen to that. That guy has been going around all the fourms swearing that, that hooked up accord is actually his. He even tryed to convince people that it was a modifyed civic :rolleyes: How stupid can he be. Then he goes and proclaims he put a 6 speed manual transmission in there and is dumb enough to show a pic and it is nothing more then an automatic tranny with modifide gear selector and a shift boot to make it seem as if it were manual. This dude obviusly know jack about his fantasy car or any car in general. He sounds like some lil kid that rides around town on his bike with the coke can on the back tire to sound like a motorcycle, nicely accompanyed by the honda sign and vtec stickers becuase he can afford a real car. People like him must enjoy makin there selves look like asses, cause all they are, are wannabe's who got nuttin :flipa: :finger:

haha...I should bastardize this lil bish and his posts, faker:lol2:

as for the Import vs. fast imports vs. Domestics

who the fuck cares...seriously...a civic is a fucking econobox, gas saving, low insurance payment, torqueless wonder of a car

a LS1 is a muscle car, all out I will kick your ass, rear wheel drive, high insurance payment vehicular mode of transportation

I can't afford payments on an LS1, I can however afford insurance on a $2000 70hp (:flipa:) Civic CX...as for which is faster, racing in a straight line means nothing to me, racing on an oval means shit to me, racing on a road coarse is where the real drivers come to play is good for me.....although I do none of the above, I enjoy having a car that handles like a go cart and when I want to open it up, it goes as fast as I need it to go, gets 30mpg, and I pay a grand total of $160 a month on it including gas, insurance, and payments.

Hondas are slow. Yes even the S2K and NSX (unless it happens to be equipped with some GruppeM parts).

Domestic V8s are fast. Bottom line. You can't argue with RWD and displacement.

If you are about straight line, stop light to stop light, punch-it-at-65-on-the-highway kinda racing, a Honda is not for you. Granted, there are a few fast street Hondas out there, but they're few and far between.

Originally posted by delsolguy
Hondas are slow. Yes even the S2K and NSX (unless it happens to be equipped with some GruppeM parts).

Domestic V8s are fast. Bottom line. You can't argue with RWD and displacement.

If you are about straight line, stop light to stop light, punch-it-at-65-on-the-highway kinda racing, a Honda is not for you. Granted, there are a few fast street Hondas out there, but they're few and far between.

THANK YOU MAN!!!! You beat me to it, but it seems like you have taken my V8 feelings to heart.

I may moderate the civic forum, and I may drive a civic, but I know deep down that I'd rather have a TransAm or Mustang just because they are cheap to buy for the power, and get mass gains from mods instead of a little fart of 5hp.

Until you have your B16, B18, D16, whatever turbo'd at near 20psi and NOS shot, you will fail to impress 95% of people on the road. Bottom line, Honda's are not for racing. They are like the training wheels on a bicycle, they only lead the way to bigger and better things.

Sorry if anyone is offended, but just do what I did. Study the numbers, read the sites, and quit stereotyping!

4 cyl cars are only good for beginners and people with no money. With the exception of a few 4 bangers, like those 4 cyl Supras, that is all they are worth. When I got my civic, I was a beginner with no money. And I went through my "rice stage", like most everyone does, then I graduated to my "all performance stage". Now, I'm at my "why keep pouring money into a car that will most likely never go fast stage". Now, all I want is a '76 Tans AM, or a 70 Dodge Challenger with a 440 six pack. But, since I can't afford it, I guess I'll stick with my Honda. Don't get me wrong, I like my car. It's really reliable, and gets amazing gas mileage... and girls think it's cute (but we'll leave that one out)... Right now, I'm just saving up for my Escalade. :)

How about a Saleen mustang being beat your lil prelude b16b bomber:bandit:

Originally posted by Swonder67
Right now, I'm just saving up for my Escalade. :)

wait for the twin turbo 540bhp Escalade due in 2003! :D

Are you mad?? What´s up with you comparing Mustangs & Camaros with Civic econoboxes? Civic with Corollas, Sentras and Jettas please. :p

heh i always thought honda's were slow, esp the civic. well thats why if you want to get a REAL 4 cylinder car. you gotta get the 240sx's. causey ou can do a SR20DET swap and that will be the closest to a true JDM car in this damn country. and doin 14 sec quarter miles is not that slow, and since its turbo, upgrades such as boost controllers or a better intercooler would make a pretty big gain. see the only real fast 4 cylinder or any japanese cars in general are cars with turbo. and v-tec simply don't cut it cuse it cuts down the torque to almost nothing and its almost impossible to keep it in full power in v-tech mode unless you drive it like ya stole it and it still will get out of the powerband if your not careful when shifting since its sooo freakin small~!!! and it v-tech kicks in wwaaaay too late. like 5700rpm late.

and usually people tend to compare cars of the same class. not a car thats 2 classes below. if you want to compare "REAL" japanese cars, bring on the Lancer Evo's, the Skyline GT-R's, the Supra TT, the RX-7's, the WRX STi's, and the NSX. see those are the japanese's big boys. and can stand up to american muscle cars, even the almighty Z06. migh tnot beat it but it will give it a run for its money. in fact the GT-R will give it a very good run for tis money.

Originally posted by Darkwing
lilguyk9, that is impressive to look at! What engine is that and what kind of numbers are you running!?:eek:

Hey Darkwing, is that a Ferrari F355 behind your car? If not, what is it?

Originally posted by TatII
and usually people tend to compare cars of the same class. not a car thats 2 classes below. if you want to compare "REAL" japanese cars, bring on the Lancer Evo's, the Skyline GT-R's, the Supra TT, the RX-7's, the WRX STi's, and the NSX. see those are the japanese's big boys. and can stand up to american muscle cars, even the almighty Z06. migh tnot beat it but it will give it a run for its money. in fact the GT-R will give it a very good run for tis money.

Well said. :D

Originally posted by VortechCivicSTL
:rolleyes:

OK...you claim that that is your car...on both this thread and the 'show your car' thread. That is not your car. The engine in the picture is not a B16a, those are not NOS mountings, IT HAS A FUZZY F*CKING STEERING WHEEL FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! [refer to page 4 of other thread]

the person who owns that car does NOT kick out an 'impressive' 152hp...they kick out well over 200 given the work done to the engine; let alone the additional boost coming from the ?alcohol? system in the ?trunk?:confused:

either way both the real owner of the car and yourself have made some very bad descisions; he in real life, and you on this board.

if you dont know shit about cars, and/or are 16 and drive your moms DX 10mph over the limit and can barely compose a correct sentence to post....that's fine, we're still down....

but dont set yourself up for this criticism. if you are like me, and dont have a pic of your car scanned...then live with it, and dont post someone else's ride.

ULTRA SELF-RIGHTEOUSLY YOURS,
The Fastcode


:smoker2:

2000Si/Black/Vortech SCS/Volk Wheels/Nitto 555s/ClutchMasters Stage4/Apexi VTEC AFC and Boost controller/Apexi Tach/Skunk2 Susp./PIAA bulbs and fogs [G5]/Altezza REAL carbon fiber-housed tail lights/NOT clear corners/AEM fuel rails/Apexi N1 cat-back/DC headers/DC strut braces/Koni shocks/MOMO steering wheel/Tenzo R race-weighted shifter/1000w Rockford Fosgate system w MP3 head/your momma in the motherf*kin' trunk!

289 hp - 208 ft/lbs - 11.203

BLAH BLAH BLAH!! IM DONE!!

JAJAJAA:D :D :) :D :) :D JAJA
---driving her mom´s Accord DX at 10mph! How funny all that was!

Originally posted by TatII
heh i always thought honda's were slow, esp the civic. well thats why if you want to get a REAL 4 cylinder car. you gotta get the 240sx's. causey ou can do a SR20DET swap and that will be the closest to a true JDM car in this damn country. and doin 14 sec quarter miles is not that slow, and since its turbo, upgrades such as boost controllers or a better intercooler would make a pretty big gain. see the only real fast 4 cylinder or any japanese cars in general are cars with turbo. and v-tec simply don't cut it cuse it cuts down the torque to almost nothing and its almost impossible to keep it in full power in v-tech mode unless you drive it like ya stole it and it still will get out of the powerband if your not careful when shifting since its sooo freakin small~!!! and it v-tech kicks in wwaaaay too late. like 5700rpm late.

Couple of things here man.

—It's "VTEC"
—The VTEC doesn't cut down the torque. The size of the engine does.
—VTEC allows for high-rpm power. Hence the 7800+ redline.
—How will swapping in a J-Spec engine make your car "closest to a true JDM car"? I can do that too, y'know.



CivSiGuy: I haven't "seen the light" for domestic V8s yet. However, after my Honda, I want a Supra.

Originally posted by b16b bomber
That is so true...my friends prelude kills mustang cobras all the time:sun:


Puuulllleeeeaaaassse!!

Originally posted by blacksnake98



Puuulllleeeeaaaassse!!

Thats what I was thinking.

Ditto.

I have no idea how this works.

I think it's something like this:

Civic owner reads of 9 second Civic in Super Street.

Civic owner identifies strongly with fast Civic.

Figures if it looks the same, it is the same, therefore all Civics are fast.

If all Civics are fast, and a Prelude is faster than a Civic, therefore nothing can beat a Prelude.

Or something like that...

I enjoyed being on the receiving end the other day of an explanation of how this guy's unmodified 1.6 litre '89 Civic Si had so much more "top end" than my 2.0 litre cammed out SR20DE.

Must be the Honda Fairy dust in the air...

Thanks for the backup gentlemen...and spnx, I believe you have hit the nail on the head.

Sure, no prob.

LOL, you can almost hear the rusty gears tuning in their noodle.

well i do realize that it was spelled v-tec after i posted it, but i didn't expect people to nit pick to me about it. anyways. even if you do a B16A swap on a civic, its still not goin to be fast. thats all i'm saying. sure it can also be considered a true JDM conversion. but its one thats not that fast, unless you make some kind of hybrid like a B18c in a 89 CRX. then you can do 14 sec quarter miles. all i'm sayin is that, i'm sick of people sayin v-tec is god. i mean sure honda came up with it first ( i think) but alot of other companies can do the same trick with their valve timing. they just don't advertise it and make it sooo known and put stickers on it like how honda does. you know?

First of all, Civics kick ass stock or decked out.

Second, muscle cars don't suck. Real muscle cars that is, like the Pontiac GTO, the first and last REAL musclecar.

Originally posted by TatII
heh i always thought honda's were slow, esp the civic. well thats why if you want to get a REAL 4 cylinder car. you gotta get the 240sx's. causey ou can do a SR20DET swap and that will be the closest to a true JDM car in this damn country. and doin 14 sec quarter miles is not that slow, and since its turbo, upgrades such as boost controllers or a better intercooler would make a pretty big gain. see the only real fast 4 cylinder or any japanese cars in general are cars with turbo. and v-tec simply don't cut it cuse it cuts down the torque to almost nothing and its almost impossible to keep it in full power in v-tech mode unless you drive it like ya stole it and it still will get out of the powerband if your not careful when shifting since its sooo freakin small~!!! and it v-tech kicks in wwaaaay too late. like 5700rpm late.

ok Mr KnowItAll..:rolleyes:
I guess u know crap about cars in Japan..
let me give u few points of tutorial..
who da hell said..if a 4 cyl car isn't turbo..then it isn't a real 4cyl car?..
your talking as if u driven all Honda vtec cars and know that..they come in late and are real slow..hell yea..they're not fast at straight lines..sicne the cars WERE NEVER made for straight line racing...the reason why their power kick in so late unlike others..which lose power at around 7000rpm+..is cause Hondas as FF cars..were made for track racing..because every corner u turn..u usually down shft to a higher rpm and then go hard from there...and because of Honda's vtec design to have more power at higher rpm, it is coz afetr each turn..u get hat power u need to accelerate away from each corner at high rpm's...and this is the advantage of honda vtec cars..especially the Type-R's..which is one of the best FF handlign cars..
amd also coz of this design..u could also save more petrol..and also could ahve the power u need..because when ur at low rpm..and ur drving normally..u coudl save a lot of fuel..but also when u need o overtake someone etc..u could ahev the power too..since u just need to pull to a higher rpm..and now..please get my point..do some FREAKING RESERACH BEFORE U OPEN UR MOUTH...vtec engages aroudn 4500rpm-5000rpm..and as the car pulls to a higher rpm...the torque DOES NOT cut down..and same goes with power...coz if the torque cuts down..then there is no point of vtec being a high rpm engine...and hell...which cars does not need to be driven hard to be fast?!

and don't get me wrong..i love SR20DET's...as well as RB26DETT..
but u have to figure out the difference and advantages between a turbo and a n/a vehicle...not just go otu saying blah blah..turbo's are the real 4cyl engines and that hvtec that don't ahve turbos are slow and blah blah...coz if u argue with prof...there could never be a winner..coz these 2 engines are made for different purposes and uses...Honda vtec's aren't slow for in there category...try comparing them to other cars in the same category with no turbo..and same good fuel comsumption..and see which n/a car will come out the best..

if u still think that i have made no point to u and that vtec still loses torque coz of powerband or whatever u were tlaking about..then reply me..coz i don't mind making u understand what the purpose of vtec is..since u seem to know nothing..and of coz..by what ur saying..u have never driven any ...coz i'm sure nobody in here that driven one would think that it loses torque ant high rpm and that vtec kicks in at 5700rpm..

well you do have a point there about how when you down shift that it rpm jumps up and how it keeps it in v tec mode. i never thought of it as that way, but since drag seems to be the biggest thing in this country i completely forgot about circuit racing. sooo it was my fault on that one. and yes you have another point for sayin that you can't really compare n/a cars to forced induction cars. and yes turbo cars suck in extremely hot weathers. that is when the NSX will beat pretty much most turbo charged cars. but still its just that i have this thing against honda's now becuase everyone sweats them, esp the ricers who knows absolutely nothing and i mean nothing~! about cars. that is what gets me all angry. i don't mean to diss out on honda's or anything, but i hope you feel me. sooo my bad about gettin all carried away. i was just tryin to express myself:(

oh yeah and another thing, i never said that v-tec cuts down torque. what i meant was how v-tec doens't really give that much of a torque boost.

Originally posted by LiuBei
First of all, Civics kick ass stock or decked out.

Second, muscle cars don't suck. Real muscle cars that is, like the Pontiac GTO, the first and last REAL musclecar.

I would have to VERY much dissagree. Civics when they are stock are simply gas conservative cars. You can beat one in a lot of other stock cars with similarly sized engines.

Civics were never made to be excessivley fast. I think they kicks ass because: 1. Good Price 2. Great Gas mi 3. Rock Solid Reliability 4. overall great quality of the car

Simply said, there are more than a few ways to make any car faster, Civics have proven this time and time again. If you want to make a Civic fast go right ahead, I can care less, I like mine the way it is.

What a bunch of mindless crap. To say that the Acura Integra or the Honda Civic is designed to perform well on the track is just stupid. These vehicles are designed to perform well on the ROAD. For the average Joe or Josephine who's going to pick up the kids at school.
It is a real show of ignorance to think that your little 4-cyl VTEC engine with lots of chrome and lots of stuff painted red in a Accord/Prelude/Civic/Integra could out perform a small block 350 with even the slightest modifications, in a 1978 Camero Z-28. Yes, the Honda might perform better around curves, but when the hammer goes down and the 4-barrel opens up... the Honda's gonna look like just another grocery getter.
Taping a coffee can to your muffler doesn't mean you can outrun a Cobra. Putting a big a$$ ugly wing on the back of your Civic won't help you out-handle a Porche. Some of you guys are sooooo uninformed.:bloated:

Originally posted by TatII
oh yeah and another thing, i never said that v-tec cuts down torque. what i meant was how v-tec doens't really give that much of a torque boost.

well..vtec cars..as long as u keep the rpm over 5000rpm...ur engine is basically running under nearly it's max power..and i mean down shift as in..when u want to turn a corner..u have to slow down..right?..therfore..when u slow down to the speed that could handle the corner..u downshift to a lower gear..and pull the rpm higher and then turn out of the corner..normal circuit racing technique..
and yea i feel ya..my next car ain;'t gonna be a honda for sure..sine some honda ricers piss me off too much but also..i had enough if n/a..i'm getting a white lancer evo5 next..which none of u guys will have in u.s

and as for torque..after 5000rpm on a vtec motor..u get both a power and torque boost..and that a promise..coz that is why when a honda needs to overtake a car..they need to downshift to a higher rpm range..which si when power and torque comes out mosty to give the car a boost to the high rpm range...test drive one and realise how the engine works...it's pretty basic..nothing special about how a vtec works..it just gives u more power after 5000rpm till 7000-9000rpm..depending on how the car is tuned.

Yea, but what about some performance stickers? They add like 5hp:hehehe:

:greenchai

ic, maybe i'll try my friends crx with the B16A next time. that is if he lets me drive his baby that is. :smoka:

damn there is a lot of shit flying in here. You people do realize that this argument is pointless and futile. But I can not resist leaving you all with my own brand bias by saying Honda makes most of the best cars overall.

SIKB you are new but I already like you. Preach on teh good word.

Originally posted by SikB
damn there is a lot of shit flying in here. You people do realize that this argument is pointless and futile. But I can not resist leaving you all with my own brand bias by saying Honda makes most of the best cars overall.

Three cheers for broad overgeneralizations... :rolleyes: