Civics Kick Ass

COMPARING THESE TOO IS THE WORST......it goes on and on, notice any of these comparisons has like 100 replies and has been viewed 20,000 times

comparing after market cars has soo many sides.....and while comparing Muscle car and Import....find a domestic and race it with a SKYLINE....just cuz its not a 4 cylinder dont mean it aint a import.

Z28 aint shit compared to that =)

I think people need to stop comparing an import that costs $60k against a $30k domestic, or vis versa. People need to compare similar priced cars and stock, because as soon as you get into the "but with this it could be that" well it usually works out that way...

But, but, but with HAHAHA......yeah thats exactly why there is 20,000 replies to any comparison......but with 500shot of nos, I could have beet that Lamborghini in my GSR

Originally posted by TatII
and usually people tend to compare cars of the same class. not a car thats 2 classes below. if you want to compare "REAL" japanese cars, bring on the Lancer Evo's, the Skyline GT-R's, the Supra TT, the RX-7's, the WRX STi's, and the NSX. see those are the japanese's big boys. and can stand up to american muscle cars, even the almighty Z06. migh tnot beat it but it will give it a run for its money. in fact the GT-R will give it a very good run for tis money.

The cars are fast. Yes, extremely. But now you're comparing it to the Z06. 0 - 60 in 3.9 seconds, with a lateral acceleration of 1.0 g. This car beat out a 2002 Porsche 911 Turbo around the track by about .7 seconds. It didn't burn it, but you're talking Porsche here. o_O;

Now, if you get into modding the Skylines, the Supras, the RX-7s, etc. a modded Corvette would still destroy those cars. The Lingenfelter Corvette does the quarter in 9.524 @ 145.25 miles per hour, WITHOUT the aid of Nitrous Oxide. I know the top speed of a lesser Lingenfelter Corvette is 226 mph, but that car only gets 650 hp as compared to the 750 to the top rated Lingenfelter. It also does 0 - 150 in 14.90, 0 - 60 in around 3.40 seconds. All without the aid of nitrous.

As much as I agree with you on that one....a modded skyline and a modded z06 is 2 different things...the Skyline is a few classes above....you can have that thing in 1000hp range + have reliablity. Z06 is a cool car and all, but mod for mod a skyline owns it, stock for stock, Z06 is just a better bang for the buck

I am really beggining to HATE Skylines.

There, I said it. I feel much better now.

I second polygon, and i don't really know anything about skylines. To me they were never anything huge, but they are all i ever hear about, i'm getting sick of it. There are faster, and better cars out there than the skyline!

yeah as much of a skyline fan as i am. i do admit that there are alot of faster cars out there. but what i love about the skyline its is overall good ness, and its brutish looks, and how its pretty much the fastest car to come out of japan. it might not have the fastest top speed, or the fastest aceleration, but its a pefect blend of both and thats why it can pull up the fastest lap times. its always either this or the evo that are teh fastest cars in japan at the tracks.

I'll admit it is a nice car. BUT I get sick of all the praise they get. To just about everyone here they are the GOD of cars, and there are a lot of better cars that I would much rather drive. Gahhh, just hearing oh well the Skyline does this, oh and the Skyline is sooooo fast, oh and you can get 1000hp out of a Skyline.

I DON'T GIVE A RATS ASS WHAT THE SKYLINE DOES.

Ah, now I REALLY feel better. There are plenty of cars that can spank a Skyline. I just get tired af all the bloody hype.

THE SKYLINE KICKS ASSSSSSSS

I loved that car for years and it only got better with the R34....it is the sweetest car and RB26ETT is considered one of the best motors ever MADE.

Yes you can get 1,000hp out of a skyline, but after seeing videos of them racing in Japan there is no way its even close to being street drivable. They end up with so much torque and power over such a small power band they either bog off the line and go no where, or they run the entire 1/4 with all 4 tyres smoking. It is Impressive to watch of course.

Getting 1,000hp from an LS6 is much easier, and if worked to the same limit as the 1,000hp skyline's are you would be looking at getting over 2,000hp. Not street drivable of course. :D

But then your really comparing appels with oranges, a skyline will provide quite a differnt driving experiance to a Corvette, just like a Civic will provide a differnt driving experiance to a Comaro.

There are differnt cultures behind the designs of differnt cars, and they are often aimed at differnt market segments.
To me what makes a car great is not how much hp it has, or what its max lateral G's are, but how it feels when you drive it, how responsive the chassis is, how well the engine torque curve is matched with the gear ratios etc etc. All things that are often a matter of personal taste.

:cool:

Well the point I was making is, there is plenty of 1k HP Skylines in Japan.....I have never seen more then 2 or 3 1k + hp american cars.....and the reliability on them is awful to begin with. Once a Z06 has some miles on it, they start breakin down.

JBL85 do you know 1000+hp Skyline are built mostly for Dyno Machine only? They look good on paper but in real life they are hell to drive with.

Why the hell does everyone have to argue over this pointless shit. Now if you picked 2 exact cars, and compared them it would have a purpose, but this is way too open and general. No one can ever win, b/c domestics are better than imports sometimes, and imports are better than domestics sometimes. The more your argue the dumber you seem, b/c most of us have realized there will never be a winner in the debate, and you will change no one's opinion. It gets worse as you compare the highly modified, usually not street legal, cars that are a dime a dozen (the 1000+hp cars). It is so pointless, and i'm afriad you will never realize that. What is wrong, are you not able to accept that each side has its virtues, and pitfalls? How about we just stop argueing over this pointless crap?


Now if you want to compare a '71 chevelle SS against a stock supra TT, and the goal to figure out which is better on the street course (not dragging, not which has more hp or turque, or weighs less, or looks better, or whatever) then it may make sense to debate about, but even then people are going to like one car more than the other no matter which performs better, but at least you can try to narrow it down to just performance...*sigh*

CY this is car comparisons, thats why, we go off tangent and argue pointless points of why this is better and blah blah blah blah =)

Oh ya, i forgot this was in comparisons:) hehe. But my anger is more toward those arguements that spur up everyother topic in normal car discussions, about DOMESTIC VS. IMPORT....But anyways, i guess that is my $.02 on which is better:). Argue on my good fellows, hehe.

Debate is fine but unknowledgeable points brought up by people is not fine.

i think you can give credit to both domestic and import. it doesnt matter, as long as you have a car thats fast as shit and pleases you.

your GST pleases you....hehe, jk, but my Max suprised the guy when I beat him in it =). He thought I had NOS

I think the whole problem comes from not realizing what your cars really are. No matter what import you buy short of a VR-4, NSX, RX7, Supra etc.., you have bought an economical, sensible car, granted some have sportier intentions like Type R Integra. But don't think just cuz your econo car has got a lil extra zip your gonna be running with Camaro SS's and Mustang GT's cause it's not gonna happen. These cars are created and marketed for something totally different than you Civic or Integra. This doesn't mean that there is something wrong with your car there just different cars.
I never would claim my slightly modified stang would beat a Z06, that's just ignorant and disrespectful to Corvette owners and i would look like a liar. Next time you go spouting off about how your car would waste a Stang, Camaro stop yourself and think this... "Right now i sound like an annoying liar... Oh wait that's cuz I'am" Then when you begin to speak agian tell the truth and be respectful. If you have heavily modified your import that's cool too and talk shit if you think you can really back it up. But also remember you had to mod your car to beat that V-8. What if he modded his car?

GTSTANG, i agree with that whole-heartedly..very well said. oh yea. JBL 85, Max's are awesome..0-60 in 6.8-.9 is not bad at all. with mods there even better, i was VERY close to getting a 97 max.

GTSTANG see thats not always the case. cuase the newer nissan cars are designed to be performance comes first kinda cars. cuse the new 02 maxima's and altima's are about the same speed as a mustang gt. then then again, those are either nissan's flag ship cars, or near flag ship cars.

mastachi, its the auto, its 7.7, but its decent.

And to gtstang.....uhh riight thats why civics can smoke an 87 GT stang with a built motor and a turbo kit.....duh comparing non stock vs a stock car....your right look at the car its a civic.

and TatII is very right, the new nissan is japanese and its 1/4 is 14.2, and what is the american pos GT stang do it in, 14.0 with 1.1 more displacement. There is replacment for displacement, its called engineering =)

Originally posted by JBL85
mastachi, its the auto, its 7.7, but its decent.

And to gtstang.....uhh riight thats why civics can smoke an 87 GT stang with a built motor and a turbo kit.....duh comparing non stock vs a stock car....your right look at the car its a civic.

and TatII is very right, the new nissan is japanese and its 1/4 is 14.2, and what is the american pos GT stang do it in, 14.0 with 1.1 more displacement. There is replacment for displacement, its called engineering =)

I dunno what the first part is suppose to mean? As for the second

2002 Maxima SE 255hp 245 torque 3.5L
2002 Mustang GT 260hp 302 torque 4.6L
2002 Camaro SS 320hp 343 torque 5.7L

See those torque numbers... Torque is what makes your car accelerate
WOW!!!! Look at that the one with the most Displacement has the most torque hmmmm "THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT!!!!!"
But hey cheer up.... You got engineering!!!!!!!

Let me start off by saying Civics do kick ass, just not as much as the Honda owners out thier claim.
I'm sorry for the rude comment but i've just met too many ignorant Honda owners to believe otherwise.

Honda just needs to build an enigine that isn't prone to detonation in stock form under extreme conditions(Boost/Nitrous/Supercharging).
Originally posted by GTStang
"THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT!!!!!"

Yea there is, its called a Turbo....a word not used in conjunction with Mustang very often.

Your right domestic V8's kick ass, but not in every category they should.
All those sensible cars like (900WHP Supra's) kick ass in many different categories.

Another economical car of its time was the 91 Nissan Sentra SE-R, a car that you can purchace right now for less than 3 grand.
In stock trim this car will run low 15's all day long. Why talk about this car?
Compared to the base model V8 Stang of the early 90's, it's stats look very good.

Nissan will be releasing the Skyline lineup in America very soon.
The R34 will either have one of the following powerplants:
Twin Turbo 6 cylinder
Or some form of Nissans V8 powerplant

Either way the car will be felt from East to West. But for the sake of Imoprts vs. Domestics lets just hope it comes with the V8.

Sorry for the long post, to make up for it here you go:
CIVICS ROCK:toothless

PRIMERA, let me rub it in this RUSTANG boys face with engineering TIPS.....look at a BMW m3 and look at its DISPLACEMENT, its all of about what, 3.2 Liters, and the Honduh 2k (which I dont like, but to prove my point its still an import) the BMW can do a 1/4 in 13 seconds.....i think that is smoking a Camari Shit Shit by about .7 seconds.............DUHHHHHH think twice, there is to many arguments to make when comparing American Muscle and the Intelligence of Foreign people and their cars......and then the s2k on top of it EATS MUSTANGS and runs with camaro's with a 2 LITER engine 2 LITER engine 2 LITER engine 2 LITER engine 2 LITER engine 2 LITER engine, YEAH ONLY 2 LITER engine............So imagine if those smart lil asian guys tried, they would tear up an american car.

Oh yeah I like American cars, but not their engineering, wait I mean what engineering.

The funny thing is, Imports dont need v8's to race with American cars, they use 4 cylinders and 6 cylinders and they TEAR up American cars.....especially when we dont go NA....Skyline.....that just eats american cars up for fun :D

Originally posted by p_r_i_m_e_r_a
Let me start off by saying Civics do kick ass, just not as much as the Honda owners out thier claim.
I'm sorry for the rude comment but i've just met too many ignorant Honda owners to believe otherwise.

Honda just needs to build an enigine that isn't prone to detonation in stock form under extreme conditions(Boost/Nitrous/Supercharging).

Yea there is, its called a Turbo....a word not used in conjunction with Mustang very often.

Your right domestic V8's kick ass, but not in every category they should.
All those sensible cars like (900WHP Supra's) kick ass in many different categories.

Nissan will be releasing the Skyline lineup in America very soon.
The R34 will either have one of the following powerplants:
Twin Turbo 6 cylinder
Or some form of Nissans V8 powerplant

Either way the car will be felt from East to West. But for the sake of Imoprts vs. Domestics lets just hope it comes with the V8.


Honda engine is reliable under stock form. What you said is using the engine in an environment in which it wasn't built for. You need to understand how car works. Honda engines are built to rev which treats engine weight as enemy. The lighter the engine the higher it revs the more power it produce at high rpms. Whereas Turbo requires a engine block that's build to withstand boost.

You see all the benefits of Turbo on small displacement cars. However do you have any slight idea what Turbo does on LS1 and all those pushrod american displacement? Turbo an small displacement can produce a lot of power but only in a very small powerband which makes it very undriveable. Which is very different from say TT Z06.

Nissan is releasing Skyline but it hasn't said a word about GT-R. Also it is going to be known as Infiniti G35 not Skyline. Nissan is leaning towards using the R39 le man street version engine. They want to keep Fairlady Z and Skyline on different class level. Especially with TT Fairlady Z coming out.

Originally posted by JBL85
PRIMERA, let me rub it in this RUSTANG boys face with engineering TIPS.....look at a BMW m3 and look at its DISPLACEMENT, its all of about what, 3.2 Liters, and the Honduh 2k (which I dont like, but to prove my point its still an import) the BMW can do a 1/4 in 13 seconds.....i think that is smoking a Camari Shit Shit by about .7 seconds.............DUHHHHHH think twice, there is to many arguments to make when comparing American Muscle and the Intelligence of Foreign people and their cars......and then the s2k on top of it EATS MUSTANGS and runs with camaro's with a 2 LITER engine 2 LITER engine 2 LITER engine 2 LITER engine 2 LITER engine 2 LITER engine, YEAH ONLY 2 LITER engine............So imagine if those smart lil asian guys tried, they would tear up an american car.

Buddy you have no idea what you are talking about. The engineering within M3 and S2000 is awesome but never ever compare drag with American Muscle. American pushrod can accomplished what M3 can do in a straightline for half the money. Stop making post that make you look extremely dumb in public.

sorry to say jbl85, but modern engineering can't compare to the torque that those hugh engines put out. turbo can add horsepower but no matter what, it wno't kick in until around 3000 rpm, where as in the american big blocks, the power comes instantly.

As everyone says that if you stick a twin turbo on a civic it will be fast, but stick an Icon Twin Turbo on a LS1 (like a firebird formula or camaro z-28/ss, or vette) and you will put out a lot of power, not only low end power/torque, but also a really strong top end. Ya some american engenieering may not be as advanced in general, but the power that american high displacement engine put out just tops the technology.

TatII, yeah true =P....I been in my uncles Chevelle and i shit bricks, but I still think Imports are the best...just my opinion DUH...


THERE IS 3 (in general) DIFFERENT WAYS TO COMPARE CARS
The Class the Car is in
Stock vs Stock
Modded vs Modded

JBL85 and p_r_i_m_e_r_a READ AND LEARN!!!!

JBL85 Now you need to compare a M3 and a S2000 agianst a Camaro. Well if I'm not mistaken those cars seem to be a lot more $$$ than a Camaro SS 22,000 vs. 80,000 for a M3. Good comparision, Makes sense!!! I was personally in the car while a 96' SS killed a 93 M3, I dunno bout the new one's but it dam well better for just shy of $60,000 more!!!

As for a mighty S2000, it revs like a motor cycle. Yea it puts out good hp# for a 2.0 at 9,000rpm's!!! I'll tell you from expirence that a S2000 becomes a useless piece of metal on a 1/4 mile track or a stoplight. You can say you don't care bout that but u will when ya sweet S2000 gets beat by a redneck, stuck in the 80's,mullet haircut, rusted camaro driver.

Hint of the Day: Unlike import drivers, Rednecks actually work on thier cars and know what they are talking bout, Watch Out they'll burn U!

p_r_i_m_e_r_a
You mention turbos on 4 bangers and not used with Stangs. You can have ya turbo anyday, Us V8 American Muscle guys will just use Superchargers, so when you are waiting to get to 3-4,000rpm so you've spooled up, Our boost was there second we stopped the gas. Ouch! that sucks hmmmmm?
If you wanna keep it in Turbos V8s can use TT unlike ya 4 bangers and can create more exhuast gas for boost than any 4banger could pray for. Ever see the header on a Big Block one pipe on the header is the diameter of your whole exhuast, minus coffee can oversized farting muffler.

WOW you 2 sure rub it my face good this time!!!!!

Time for Payback where it hurts... Your precious Skyline!!!

I'm not denying the Skyline isn't bad ass but I think everyone has got to admit the Legend is far outceded the car. I've heard the Skyline can travel to the moon and back. The Skyline is like a Fairytale Maxima owners tell thier kids at night. Personally I can't wait till the Skyline comes to America and has to play by the same rules as the Viper and Corvette etc.., You know lil things like the extra 600lbs it will gaine in crash safety shit. And those lovely Anti-pollution devices that rob HP only on cars in America. Also what type of HP it will actually produce due to how much Insurance Companies love cars like that. Finally for all you lil import driving homos who always bring up the Skyline... How much u think it is gonna cost.... same as ya civic? integra? Man when it comes to America your all gonna own 1 and show us V8 drivers the error of our way. OMG i have nightmares every night living in fear of "Day of the Rope"

Sorry this was so long every1! I don't hate imports just 80% of the uninformed, lying idiots who drive them. Remember the racing fun and respect you want is destroyed by them.

PS Any who knows what movie "Day of the Rope" came from is aight in my book, even if you drive an import!

I will say this, but really I don't have a problem with Domestics, even though I do prefer Imports nowadays. I even used to own a Z28 Camaro, it was my first car. The problem with our Import cars in America is that we don't get the cream of the crop that Japan produces. You see, we aren't exactly seeing the cutting edge of Japanese technology over here in the US as far as their cars goes. If we had all the Jap Spec. models over here in the US then a lot of domestic owners would think twice before trying to run an import. Well at least we did have the Supra and RX-7 here for a while, and oh yeah, let's not forget about the 3000 GT VR-4.

well thats cause all the smog problems we had in the 50's from hugh displacement cars, that were the size of small boats in america, that caused it to have such restriction on emissions. now if america ddin't hve cars sooo soon, or if there just wasn't as big or as many of them in the streets as any other country did in the world. we wouldn't have this stupid emission standard crap. and then we can get all the japanese spec civics, and silvia's and all that jdm goodness. well i love imports. i personally am import only, but i do not dare underestimate american muscle. their interior and design might be crude, they are designed for one purpose and one purpose only, and that is to go fast, very fast, for a very very low price.

Ok, Im not reading that.....why would you write 10 paragraphs over nothing......just say American Cars Rule or something and sum it up

but GTSTANG your also forgettin why teh M3 or any other import is worth soo much, its the amenities that it comes with, its also the brand name of it. if you compare the interior of a import to a muscle car. the muscle cars interior is like crap. soooo you do get more for the money that you pay for. you get more then just a great engine, you also get a better brand with better suspension tunning and a whole lot better of a interior and warrantee. i can't believe that i never thought of it that way. yeah sooo pretty much you get alot more car overall for the extra money you pay for on a import then you do with a american muscle.

Originally posted by F20C

Honda engine is reliable under stock form. What you said is using the engine in an environment in which it wasn't built for. You need to understand how car works. Honda engines are built to rev which treats engine weight as enemy. The lighter the engine the higher it revs the more power it produce at high rpms. Whereas Turbo requires a engine block that's build to withstand boost.


Really wow......blah blah, we all know what they do and are made for.

Now that Honda has conquered the lightweight no torque empire, it needs to build a solid bulletproof engine. I'm young and not that rich, so give me a stock engine that I can dump a 150 Nitrous on. As of today my favorite Honda engine is the one it put in its PWC(you know that turbo kick ass wave rider)....lol 70mph over water.

Read my initial post, I gave props where they are due.
Most American muscle cars can barely carve anything resembling a straight line.....enough said.

My original post and respect for the Skylines, Supras, and other cars are thier ability to do one thing....RALLY.
You know that dirty sport popular over-seas;)
Every topnotch Import incorporates the rally concept, even I have the ability to make my grocery getter a 400HP AWD *tuneable* *efficient* car. Before you get all pissed off realize I didn't directly bash muscle cars.

You also need to realize Americans don't own V8's they own cars with V8's in them. BMW's variable valve V8/12's speak for themselves. For every American made V8/6/4 cylinder you stand behind, I can point out 2 Imports that are just as good or better. This includes your precious Viper(just to go on record the Viper kicks ass)

And just to throw it out, with street turbo's cars like the
240/Silvia(4 cylinder) have passed 7 second 1/4 miles

Sorry for the long post, but I've been bored and I like to argue when I'm drunk:smoker2: :bonghitte =:apuke:

Originally posted by TatII
but GTSTANG your also forgettin why teh M3 or any other import is worth soo much, its the amenities that it comes with, its also the brand name of it. if you compare the interior of a import to a muscle car. the muscle cars interior is like crap. soooo you do get more for the money that you pay for. you get more then just a great engine, you also get a better brand with better suspension tunning and a whole lot better of a interior and warrantee. i can't believe that i never thought of it that way. yeah sooo pretty much you get alot more car overall for the extra money you pay for on a import then you do with a american muscle.

I'll give u BMW but like hell Jap cars have better interior. Cuz Integra and Civics are know for there huge comfy interior space and those huge comfy seats. That's funny cuz everytime I drive in important my knees are touching my chin, the steering wheel is rubbing my dick more than ya woman and the seat gives me that lovely sensation of hemroids. But that fake plastic wood grain treatment is def worth the extra G

JBL85 Sorry man i tried to use logic my B

American Muscle RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! betta?

well GTSTANG you knew what i mean. i am no way sayin that japanese jimports have nice interiors. unless its a MAX, or anything that luxury divisions dish out thats higher then a RSX or an integra.

Ok there is two types of comfort in American vs Import....

American cars tend to be huge and squishy inside, not a lot of support.
Import cars are a lot more stiff and rigid inside, I find that type more comfortable, I mean....go sit in a mustang that has to be one of the most uncomfortable cars I have ever gotten in, then I got into a Integra...yeah a GT stang is faster then a 4 cylinder GSR, but whats more comfortable.

OH yeah and in the mustang, My knee can turn off the blinker when I let off the clutch, I just feel the mustang is one of the crummiest interiors in any car..... and American cars are way cheaper, Look at the interior, even on a fully loaded Excursion the Interior is shitty.....has cheapo knobs and all that crap.

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You tell me whats more enticing to the Eyes....Japanese or American =)

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Originally posted by JBL85
OH yeah and in the mustang, My knee can turn off the blinker when I let off the clutch, I just feel the mustang is one of the crummiest interiors in any car..... and American cars are way cheaper, Look at the interior, even on a fully loaded Excursion the Interior is shitty.....has cheapo knobs and all that crap.

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.up?kbb.CA;404544&92656;suv&7&BNLXRXINT994.JPG;;1999%20Lexus%20RX%20300%20Instru mentation

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You tell me whats more enticing to the Eyes....Japanese or American =)

Oh! wow, you´re again comparing the Excursion with the Lexus RX300, now that´s smart! hmm why don´t you compare the Navigator to the Lexus LX470 or a Cavalier with a shitty Civic, a Chrysler 300M with Toyota Avalon or whatever. And you know I´ll could go on and on.........
Definetively american cars make better quality and more comfortable interiors and better looking cars than japanese, this last one only has technology.

oh, and Ford doesn´t make luxury cars, Lexus does. :bloated:

Uh that was a simple comparison of shitty American Interior with Luxury Import interior.

No American car is synomous with luxury, only imports are. =)

who really cares..thats not important

Ever consider trying to becoming less close minded....wait, of course not. How about lets respect what each has to offer, b/c neither is better than the other, or can be proven conclusively so. So instead, lets agree to disagree, become more open minded, and start respecting cars that a nice for what they are....oh wait, you guys like arguing about useless, unwinable stuff, my bad....i'll just sit in the corner.

HAHA duhhhhhh......did you read any previoust posts.....we are bashing on each other for pointless joy of starting non stop arguements about the whole thing.

Anyways.....I have been in a lot of American cars and IN MY OPINION I FOUND THAT THEY AREANT AS NICE AS JAPANESE.....i mean compare a cavalier to a civic, civic interior is really nice and spacious

i think it depends, but you can't compare the cars without going apples to oranges. Like my mom has a toyota solara with moonroof, power everything, leather, premium sound, ect...i got a '98 firebird forumla with t-tops, leather, premium sound, and power everything. Ya these are completly different cars, but i find mine more comfortable, although i like her controls a bit more (except i have some controls on my steering wheel, thats cool). I can't generalize any statement on which is better, i've just been trying and i can't bring myself to. But i can say that SOME domestics have the habit of taking a bit of the quality/luxery away for higher performance and/or lower price. I dunno....i'm tired:(

Ok, you get what I am saying in General.....in majority of imports you find better quality then you would in Domestics, but thats just my 2 cents and thats just what I hear about people with american cars......they always say yeah this knob broke and this rattles blah blah blah.....and everyone with imports doesnt usually complain except that their car is slow :D

Well, i can agree with you about that, of course in general. But there are always the exceptions to the rule both ways.

Originally posted by p_r_i_m_e_r_a


Really wow......blah blah, we all know what they do and are made for.

Now that Honda has conquered the lightweight no torque empire, it needs to build a solid bulletproof engine. I'm young and not that rich, so give me a stock engine that I can dump a 150 Nitrous on. As of today my favorite Honda engine is the one it put in its PWC(you know that turbo kick ass wave rider)....lol 70mph over water.

Read my initial post, I gave props where they are due.
Most American muscle cars can barely carve anything resembling a straight line.....enough said.

My original post and respect for the Skylines, Supras, and other cars are thier ability to do one thing....RALLY.
You know that dirty sport popular over-seas;)
Every topnotch Import incorporates the rally concept, even I have the ability to make my grocery getter a 400HP AWD *tuneable* *efficient* car. Before you get all pissed off realize I didn't directly bash muscle cars.

You also need to realize Americans don't own V8's they own cars with V8's in them. BMW's variable valve V8/12's speak for themselves. For every American made V8/6/4 cylinder you stand behind, I can point out 2 Imports that are just as good or better. This includes your precious Viper(just to go on record the Viper kicks ass)

And just to throw it out, with street turbo's cars like the
240/Silvia(4 cylinder) have passed 7 second 1/4 miles

Sorry for the long post, but I've been bored and I like to argue when I'm drunk:smoker2: :bonghitte =:apuke:

You are wrong American Muscle Cars can tackle twisty as well. However what they have advantage in stock form over Japanese car is Tire Size. Have you seen what size tire Viper run on? That's why they can easily attend the lateral g of 1.

Please explain to me how SUPRA can rally?

BMW's Valvetronic, Double Vanos are wonderful. However you can get 2 or more American V8 for the price of one from BMW.

Do you know what you are talking about? Street turbo like 240 achieving 7 second for 1/4 mile? As far as I know the fastest car in Japan is a FD3S.

This post has gotten pretty long, lets find something else to argue about :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p

I disagree, this post is short, lets keep argueing:) hehe

i was gone for a day and i come back and all is see is this arguement that lead to abosuletly nothing~~ this thread has strayed sooo far off from its original topic that it has almost nothing to do with the civic anymore.

CIVICS KICK ASS MAN I am gonna buy one cuz its faster then a Corvette :p :D :p :D :p

Large generlization and bad comparision are all we make here at AF!!! But here is an example of amercan V8 and luxury. A Cadilliac STS, now granted it the car ya grandfather would drive but it is huge inside, comfotable, and has more amenities than any BMW can offer. And also short of a M3 M5 none faster. It's pretty embarassing when some1's grandpa will blast past you in his god dam Caddy when u driving your lil AWD turbo DSM or most Stangs too I admit. Technology 32 valve Northstar, I believe thats 4 valves per cylinder with some big cubes to back it up and no need for VTEC. So here you got speed, comfort, technolgy sounds like it meets all your gripes bout American cars.

PS This post was about Civics?

I dont know about that. I used to detail cars all the time an I always found that when you were doing the interior of a New or Old Cadillac, it always seems like something was fallin off or some electronic motor was stuck. Like maybe the steering wheel wouldnt go back into place after you shut the door or the memory seats couldnt remember the way they were supposed to go. I never had that much respect for the insides of Cadillacs. Now, i f you look inside of a Mercedes, its a whole different story. Even when driving the car, everything feels so incredibly solid, same with the majority of European Cars. From VW's to Opels, to Mercs to European Fords, you'll mostly find superior construcion. This is from my experience of living in Germany. Im also an American, an being with the military an having your own detailing business, you have the experience of driving both types of cars. You'll find cars like a 99 Caddy STS, an then a 89 Mercedes 190 E, an you ll notice that the mercedes is in almost perfect condition, while there would still be problems with the Caddy. I think it has to do with the German Work ethic. If you ever live there, youll totally understand what I'm saying. If you ever take a tour of the Mercedes_Benz Plant in Sindelfingen, Germany, you would be totally amazed. It would blow your mind, guaranteed. I think its the fact that the Workers at M-B are required to sign paperwork that says there responible for the quality of there work for 20 years. I dont know how they enforce it, something about doc'ing them pay. As for power, take an E 55 Amg or an Audi A4 2.3 TT (faster than the S4) to an STS..there easily comparable. (I love the Northstar V8) My experience with Japanese cars is limited in that I broke a 1990 Toyota Camry once. But what Im trying to say is that there is a noticeable difference in quality between American and European cars, maybe even saying imports. Then if you say, "what about the price?" Given, a Caddy in the states is gonna run cheaper than any European competitior..if you look at prices of a BMW or a Mercedes in Germany, they are way cheaper than Caddy's are in the states. They have all kinds of ways for the average german worker can afford a BMW, Audi, VW, or Merc. Things like ten year financing plans, an just not being as expensive as people believe they are. I think another testament to the quality of European construction, is that every taxi in germany is either a Mercedes or a BMW, even the buses are made by Mercedes. You dont find Caddillac Taxi's. Even the US Government would rather protect there generals in a BMW 750il then a Caddillac because they handle better an are stronger structurally. I once talked to one of the driver's. anyway..sorry about that babbling, thats what I believe.

Look IM blnd and I want to buy a Cadilac cuz I think its fast......can I turn in it, NOOOO it doesnt handle for shit :D