Automotive Forums .com - the leading automotive community online! Automotive Forums .com - the leading automotive community online!
Automotive Forums .com - the leading automotive community online! 
-
Latest | 0 Rplys

Stop Feeding Overpriced Junk to Your Dogs!

GET HEALTHY AFFORDABLE DOG FOOD
DEVELOPED BY THE AUTOMOTIVEFORUMS.COM FOUNDER & THE TOP AMERICAN BULLDOG BREEDER IN THE WORLD THROUGH DECADES OF EXPERIENCE. WE KNOW DOGS.
CONSUMED BY HUNDREDS OF GRAND FUTURE AMERICAN BULLDOGS FOR YEARS.
NOW AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR THE FIRST TIME
PROPER NUTRITION FOR ALL BREEDS & AGES
TRY GRAND FUTURE AIR DRIED BEEF DOG FOOD
Go Back   Automotive Forums .com Car Chat > Engineering/Technical
Register FAQ Community Arcade Calendar
Engineering/Technical Ask technical questions about cars. Do you know how a car engine works?
Reply Show Printable Version Show Printable Version | Email this Page Email this Page | Subscription Subscribe to this Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-23-2009, 09:36 PM   #1
RidingOnRailz
AF Enthusiast
 
RidingOnRailz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Stamford, Connecticut
Posts: 832
Thanks: 49
Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts
Cool K&N Engine Air Filters - Worth It?

Is there a noticeable performance difference with these air filters? Is it worth the extra money plus periodic cleaning and applications of a "special oil" lubricant?
RidingOnRailz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2009, 11:46 PM   #2
shorod
SHO No Mo
 
shorod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Posts: 10,996
Thanks: 105
Thanked 358 Times in 349 Posts
Re: K&N Engine Air Filters - Worth It?

If you have a Honda S2000 that regularly sees 9000 rpms you might notice a performance difference. However, on most cars driven under typical conditions the difference will probably only be in sound of the intake, if any. The main benefit to the K&N filter under typical applications is the longevity of the filter. It likely will pay for itself over the life of the car, but you need to be very careful to not over oil it after cleaning. If you over oil it, the excess oil can easily accumulate on the MAF sensor and cause fuel economy concerns. Most folks agree that the airflow benefit happens only at very high rpms, ranges in excess of typical urban driving.

-Rod
shorod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2009, 03:30 PM   #3
MagicRat
Nothing scares me anymore
 
MagicRat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: City of Light
Posts: 10,702
Thanks: 12
Thanked 82 Times in 77 Posts
Re: K&N Engine Air Filters - Worth It?

I have used many K&N's over the years. Often they do not have much benefit over a good quality, reasonably clean paper filter.

Their greatest advantage is with custom intake set-ups. They have a wide variery of shapes and sizes that can fit just about any custom intake set-up, including compact ones for where space is at a premium.

Their greatest disadvantage is they are not very good at filtering air, regardless of their advertising.

I have placed a thin film of oil or grease on the side of the air filter housing, where the air should be clean. With a stock paper filter, the grease stays clean. With a properly-oiled K&N, the grease gets dirty and gritty, over time, from dirt that is sneaking past the K&N.
MagicRat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2009, 12:41 AM   #4
curtis73
Professional Ninja Killer
 
curtis73's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Penn Hills, Pennsylvania
Posts: 3,561
Thanks: 0
Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts
Re: K&N Engine Air Filters - Worth It?

It completely depends on the vehicle. Some stock intakes are remarkably restrictive, others are more than adequate. One thing that does tend to happen with the oiled cotton filters is that they sacrifice filtering for flow. They tend to let more particles through, especially as they get dirtier.

The latest technology has filters that don't use oil impregnation to trap dirt. They flow as much as a K&N, but filter much better. AFE is one company that has dry filters that flow a lot but don't need oil.
__________________
Dragging people kicking and screaming into the enlightenment.
curtis73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 08:22 AM   #5
dizzle1
AF Regular
 
dizzle1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: chicago, Illinois
Posts: 244
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Re: K&N Engine Air Filters - Worth It?

I used a cone filter from K&N the RE-9020 along with a 90 degree elbow and some 3.5 inch piping to make my CAI. These are the things that I noticed better throttle response, car felt more energetic, sounded like it was revived much better than with the muted sound it had with the stock air box.

But the filter does get dirty after time and oil on the MAF could lose you mpg so I check that out and clean it but half the time it’s not even dirty. I cleaned my filter at 100k now im at 108k so I might clean it again, but I’ll see what K&N recommends on the schedule cleaning of their filters. In the mean time ill take what I learned from here and see if it applies to my dirty looking filter.
dizzle1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2011, 01:50 AM   #6
DropZone77
AF Newbie
 
DropZone77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Massillon, Ohio
Posts: 20
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: K&N Engine Air Filters - Worth It?

This is the kind of K&N filter system that gives your somemore hpower
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 69-1500TWRhp13Typhoon.jpg (2.7 KB, 3 views)
DropZone77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2011, 12:48 PM   #7
sracing
AF Regular
 
sracing's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
Posts: 126
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: K&N Engine Air Filters - Worth It?

We have tested (flow bench and dyno) several filters and cold air inductions systems. (I have to disclose that we are K&N Distributors.)

K&N does disclose on each of their units what the expected HP gains will be over stock and they are pretty close based upon our tests. You can usually expect 5 to 15 HP depending up the vehicle. A couple points: They show the gains with STP correction factors. These usually are about .05 percent higher than SAE gains. (Not a big deal.) Also, these gains take place at and beyond peak torque range. So you certainly aren't going to notice anything in the seat of your pants in normal driving.

One other thing: In spite of what Al Gore might have told you, changing your air filter does not increase MPG on any later model fuel injected car. It can help on a carb'd car.

K&N's are very well constructed and designed and are typically a good investment due to longevity.
sracing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2011, 08:28 AM   #8
lootzy
AF Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: ontonagon, Michigan
Posts: 4
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: K&N Engine Air Filters - Worth It?

thats hitting it perfect, be carefull becouse alot of the k&n filter lets more particulates through and some vehicles use a plastic intake manifold and over time the particulates act like sandblasting into the air intake into throttle body causing damiging results to the intake
lootzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2011, 09:43 AM   #9
danielsatur
AF Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: garner, North Carolina
Posts: 3,579
Thanks: 86
Thanked 100 Times in 100 Posts
Re: K&N Engine Air Filters - Worth It?

What's easier to breath through, paper or cloth?
A Sham Wow with a little fogging oil works too!
danielsatur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2011, 10:34 AM   #10
Scrapper
AF Premium User
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Clarks Hill, Indiana
Posts: 2,724
Thanks: 0
Thanked 28 Times in 28 Posts
Re: K&N Engine Air Filters - Worth It?

Quote:
Originally Posted by shorod View Post
If you have a Honda S2000 that regularly sees 9000 rpms you might notice a performance difference. However, on most cars driven under typical conditions the difference will probably only be in sound of the intake, if any. The main benefit to the K&N filter under typical applications is the longevity of the filter. It likely will pay for itself over the life of the car, but you need to be very careful to not over oil it after cleaning. If you over oil it, the excess oil can easily accumulate on the MAF sensor and cause fuel economy concerns. Most folks agree that the airflow benefit happens only at very high rpms, ranges in excess of typical urban driving.

-Rod
i agree on that on to much oil i work on a friends ranger and she never told what her son had done to it and it pluged it up.
Scrapper is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

POST REPLY TO THIS THREAD


Tags
air , filters , k&n
Go Back   Automotive Forums .com Car Chat > Engineering/Technical


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:35 AM.

Community Participation Guidelines | How to use your User Control Panel

Powered by: vBulletin | Copyright Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
 
 
no new posts