g20 vs a4 thread

[primera_gte]

on edmunds.com there is a "lively" g20 vs a4 debate. the audiphiles have been continously ragging on the g20.

you have to register but it's painless and i've never received junk mail from edmunds.

here is the link

http://townhall.edmunds.com/cgi-bin/townhall

click on
sedans
comparisons - sedans vs sedans

[b-b00gie]

I dunno if I'd bother getting into that debate. The A4 is definately more of a car than a G20.

Accept it.

[JustinP10]

I think the G20 would win in any contest of speed HAHAHAHAH

[NismoPC]

I do not know how actual these are, but I am not impressed at all. I got this from http://www.car-stats.com/

1997 A4 Quattro 1.8T
0-60: 8.3 1/4: 16.3
1998 A4 Quattro Avant 1.8T
0-60: 7.4 1/4: 15.9
1999 A4 Quattro 1.8T
0-60: 8.4 1/4: 16.2
2001 A4 Quattro Avant 1.8T
0-60: 8.5 1/4: 16.3

That isn't much better than a P10 G20 doing 0-60: 8.3 1/4: 16.3

[P10DET]

Originally posted by b-b00gie
I dunno if I'd bother getting into that debate. The A4 is definately more of a car than a G20.

Accept it.

Oh I don't know about that. Der Uberwagen is way over rated. Nice car, yes. Great car? Some have that perception, but I don't think so. It's not because I own a G20 either. I'll bet the G20 will easily outrun der Uberwagen on a road course.

Also, I've personally known two Audi mechanics who both think Audis are pieces of shit.

I tell y'all what......

There is a former turbo SE-R owner (featured in SCC) that sold it and bought an A4 and promptly declared it would beat an SE-R in any contest of speed. He got his lunch eaten by bone stock classic SE-Rs by 4+ seconds per lap.

So, you SoCal guys should go to some of the track events there. You can find out for yourself.

[JustinP10]

Originally posted by NismoPC
I do not know how actual these are, but I am not impressed at all. I got this from http://www.car-stats.com/

That isn't much better than a P10 G20 doing 0-60: 8.3 1/4: 16.3

Where did you get that time for the G20? The quickest I saw was a 16.5... And personally i think a stock G20 could hit a 15.9 given good conditions (T model may make it easier too, because of the better tranny). As for the A4, i don't know how slow, or optimistic those times are?

[FlossinPrimera]

See the problem is, they're pissed because the paid more for a car that isn't as good.

[JustinP10]

Originally posted by FlossinPrimera
See the problem is, they're pissed because the paid more for a car that isn't as good.

I don't know about that... I've ridden in a couple Audi's, and they are VERY nice. It's a different car. It's like comparing Lexus to Infiniti, or Acura, while they are all luxury cars, each one has a different "feel". What i'm really waiting to see (and dare I say excited) is a new 5-spd IS300 with a tad more oomph than the current US models. I'd really like to see TRD come out with a special edition, maybe even a 6-spd?

[b-b00gie]

OK here we go...... (keep in mind I do own a G20 and am pretty satisfied with it)


First; who ever said that 0-60 and "laptimes" are what makes a car better? How did that even come up??? These comments are why I think some people are just totally ignorant.

Yes an SER could "lap" a Rolls Royce too, but I'd hardly say the car was better than it based on that fact alone.


Lets not forget something... Your "Infiniti G20" is nothing more than "Nissan commuter car in leather clothing". Some people start to think that since they own a G20 that they now own "luxury" because they own a car in the "Infiniti" lineup which was created for snobbish American materialistic eyes.

Audi, BMW and others have built reputations to get where they are today, unlike Japanese automakers who have decided to capitalize on "american values" and enter the "luxo" market based solely on the fact that they had the money to do so.


(No offense to my overseas friends who own "Nissan Primeras" with my follwing point)...

Please do not forget that "G20" owners are driving Nissan Primeras which have nothing more than leather seats added. If you were to go to any country where a Nissan Primera is sold (I have) you wouldnt think to compare the quality of the car to an Audi A4. Thats like the typical "ricer" here who thinks his Honda Civic is better than or comparable to a BMW. Please; think.

Just because you have an Infiniti symbol on your trunk and your car is close in cost (about $4,000) to an A4, does not put you in the same league. G20's are WAY over priced, I'd say by about $5000.

An A4, has stronger engines (170HP, 220HP), nicer styling (OK, thats my opinion), the quality of the interior is WAY better, available AWD, more user friendliness in the cockpit, far better materials, construction and attention to detail. FAR MORE aftermarket support.

These types of things are what makes a car better. This is why I say it is "more of a car".


Lets face the facts, we drive "fancy Civics"

[wickedG20]

all those facts yet you still went against the audi's and beemers and got yourself a g20?

The only reason the g20 has that "weak" engine was so that you don't have to pay a visit to the gas station every other day you know. I believe you get one of the best mileages per gallon with this engine. Also, there are so many aftermarket parts available for our engine. So if you want a fast g20, no ones stopping you but your wallet.

A question also to comment on... how much of your time do you spend on the tracks (that is if you even race) and how many times do you spend in your ordinary life driving around using the vehicle for what it was meant to be used for.

just my 2 cents

[JustinP10]

Originally posted by b-b00gie

Lets face the facts, we drive "fancy Civics"

I really like the quote in The Matrix... Ignorance is bliss!

No, but seriously, i have cloth seats, i don't really consider my car to be a luxury car by any mean, hell when most people ask, i tell them i drive a Nissan(cause when i say G20, they say huh.... G what???), but a Civic? (no offense to Civic owners). I could possibly see an accord though, maybe.

[FlossinPrimera]

Originally posted by b-b00gie
Lets face the facts, we drive "fancy Civics"

Um, no. We drive fancy Primeras, let me remind you the Primera is well established in the BTCC ranks, not to mention JTCC. I'm not saying the the Audi isn't established in the BTCC, I'm saying its not as good as the Primera. As for stronger engines, yes, but the car does weigh more. Interior refinement is all opinion, frankly, I think the interior of Audis are ugly. I've never been in a car that had as good Fit and Finish as a Nissan, save my great uncles RR. But then again, these are just opinions.

[P10DET]

Originally posted by b-b00gie
First; who ever said that 0-60 and "laptimes" are what makes a car better? How did that even come up??? These comments are why I think some people are just totally ignorant.

Ignorant is an awfully strong term there. I want to say an awful lot more, but I'll hold my tongue. One flame war this week was enough.

Now, how did it come up? Well for one, I bought my car for a number of reasons, one of which is performance. I do occasionally drive my car on the track. To me, 0-60 and other measurements such as lap times are very important.

Ignorant? Bite me.

Originally posted by b-b00gie
Yes an SER could "lap" a Rolls Royce too, but I'd hardly say the car was better than it based on that fact alone.

I guess it really depends upon why you choose your car. I choose my cars for performance and the overall package. I have no idea why you choose yours.

Originally posted by b-b00gie
Lets not forget something... Your "Infiniti G20" is nothing more than "Nissan commuter car in leather clothing".

Communter car? Now who is truly ignorant? The Primera/G20 was designed as a sports sedan. It was Nissan's car of choice to contest the many touring car championships. I comes with a race bred engine and a wonderful suspension.

Originally posted by b-b00gie
Some people start to think that since they own a G20 that they now own "luxury" because they own a car in the "Infiniti" lineup which was created for snobbish American materialistic eyes.

True enough. But not in my case, and probably not in the case of most people here.

Originally posted by b-b00gie
Audi, BMW and others have built reputations to get where they are today, unlike Japanese automakers who have decided to capitalize on "american values" and enter the "luxo" market based solely on the fact that they had the money to do so.

You have a rather parochial view of the world. What you apparently don't know is that BMW and Audi and a few other makes have a reputation that has been blown out of proportion in the USA and those companies have taken advantage of the stupid Americans (all of North America).

In Europe, BMWs and Audis are available rather stripped. In fact, you can get them with less content than we get the G20 here. Except for the yuppie set who call BMWs beamers instead of bimmers like an real enthusiast does, BMW's reputation was built around??????? <drum roll please> PERFORMANCE! But I guess that's pretty ignorant. Anyway, the reason BMWs in this country are loaded with luxury crap so even the average college eductated professional can't even afford onee is because of all the turds who buy them because they're a beemer and everyone knows beemers are cool.

Originally posted by b-b00gie
Please do not forget that "G20" owners are driving Nissan Primeras which have nothing more than leather seats added. If you were to go to any country where a Nissan Primera is sold (I have) you wouldnt think to compare the quality of the car to an Audi A4.

I think in Germany you would find there is no more difference there than here. The A4 Uberwagen would generally be less laden with luxo crap there and the Primera would be similarly equipped. I'm sure some of our European friends can vouch for this. Hell in Germany you can buy a BMW 3 series (without the USM luxo crap) for less than we pay for a G20 here.

Originally posted by b-b00gie
Just because you have an Infiniti symbol on your trunk and your car is close in cost (about $4,000) to an A4, does not put you in the same league. G20's are WAY over priced, I'd say by about $5000.

I agree that the sticker price for the G20 is way over priced. IMHO the A4 is as well.

Originally posted by b-b00gie
An A4, has stronger engines (170HP, 220HP)

Sure, but it's a big ol' rolling turd as well. I needs the stronger engine just to keep up with a G20.

Originally posted by b-b00gie
nicer styling (OK, thats my opinion), the quality of the interior is WAY better

Also purely your opinion.

Originally posted by b-b00gie
far better materials, construction and attention to detail.

LOL. As I said, I personally know two Audi mechanics who think Audis are pieces of shit. One damned near refuses to work on them. He only does when he is forced to, otherwise he works on the other makes of cars at his dealership.

Originally posted by b-b00gie
FAR MORE aftermarket support.

I thought using performance as a comparison was ignorant?

These types of things are what makes a car better. This is why I say it is "more of a car".

Originally posted by b-b00gie
Lets face the facts, we drive "fancy Civics"

I don't make the car out to be any more than it is, but is sure as hell is no fancy Civic.

[G22DET]

oh no...i think b00gie just started WW3 and he just came back to AF???

I dont think there is a need to start an all out war here though, it's all personal opinion. If i like apples and you like oranges, no matter how you try to convince me by telling me that there's more nutrients in the orange or how it just simply taste better, I probably will still stick to my apples.
But the A4 has FAR MORE aftermarket support??? NOPE! C'mon...we have SR motors!!!
Obviously we cant compare the A4 quattro to the FWD P11...but I definitely think the P11 compares very well with the FWD A4 1.8t. Performance wise, a stock P11 will be quicker than the A4 in a road course. Why? the SR is a higher reving motor (dont know about the redline in the A4, but the SR is certainly very responsive as the rpms climb up) and the P11 outhandles the FWD A4...that's pretty much a well known fact in many magazines and test results. Although in a drag the A4 will be faster....but come to think about it, a 5speed 92-95 Civic EX will probably out run or match the A4 in 0-60, I think the Civic does it in 8.2sec? A4s are 8.3? p11 does it in about 56sec?..hehe..i admit, it's slow
Styling, that's subjective so it doesnt count...although the A4 is one of my all time favorite cars, style-wise.
Built quality? All the German cars that's around me tells me that although German cars drives very very good, firm steering and gives you a sense of "wow, THIS is a car" yet there are tons of small problems...my parents 99 E320 with only 34k miles already had 1 leaking tranny, about 1million blown out brake lights, 3 blown instrument bulbs, broken remote trunk, powerseat doesnt operate the right way...all fixed under warranty but still...it's a $50k car.
on my GF's 96 325, she had the same blown tailight problem, bad AC compressor, bad power window, bad fog lights, and bad water pump. Maybe they just have bad luck but as much as i road race my G, i dont have any rattling or any other problems. The only problem that i had with my car is when i had my Bose headunit, sometimes, it wont reject the CD. Of course, we are taling about the A4 here and not others but i just want to put things in perspective that cars of higher class, doesnt alwasy reflect a better built quality.

[doodledo824]

the a4 does feel like a more substantial car but it doesnt handle like the g and it's only marginally quicker. But just like the g is a pretty nissan the audi is a pretty volkswagen and with that comes unreliability....you look in any credible auto publication and check out the long term test . Constant problems and there's a couple around here that i know of and they been to the dealer countless times.....for the money i think the g is just fine