VR4 vs SS/SC

[VR43000GT]

Went to a friend's house to pick up a jacket I had left there about a week ago. My roomate was riding shotgun in my car and we came to this dead street with no traffic and there was a red SS Cobalt waiting at the stoplight...without the combat wing. (which I can't stand because then it really does look like a Cavalier). We just glanced at eachother, nothing out of the ordinary, but still expecting he may go when the light goes green. The light turns green and I just start off in first normal where he does like-wise but only for about a second where he then punches it as do I. I immediately catch him and pass him and then short-shift by about 2k rpms into second while he was still having a some traction problems. I shut it down at about 4.7k rpms in 2nd when he quick slammed on his breaks and took a right turn lol. The reason I had to short shift so bad is because I just installed my boost controller and gauge, but now that it's at 14.5 psi, it has horrible spark blowout on full boost which is like running into a brick wall when you get there. I would say when he turned off I was maybe 3 cars ahead. He tried for a little bit after hooking up in second before making his quick exit.

[TorchedStealth]

Nice quick race! Us LSJ guys will never take you in a short race like that...or from a stop lol. If he is staged it would be interesting from a higher roll though. Find him again and maybe he won't puss out so fast and at least hang with ya and not turn off right away!

[VR43000GT]

Yeah, I know those modded LSJ's can hang with a VR4 from roll. This guy was spinning tires quite a bit though. Considering the fact I had to do an extreme short shift, I think if he was a decient driver he would have been closer towards the end. None the less, it was still fun to toy around.

[MZR_47]

I think I can beat a certain modded VR4 up here from a roll as we were dead even before my header/dp.

Dont be bashing my wing there, son It might be all you see from a 40.

It should be a very good race from a rol. From a stop, you kill me every time until maybe 100 :P Boost limit and TD helps, but still is no substitute for AWD

It takes a pretty good driver not to spin these tires, or just limited boost. But most LSJ guys dont have HPtuners, let alone boost limit. He was probably just scared of the VR4 next to him and paniked. I know I would!

[VR43000GT]

^Haha, no I was saying I do like the cobat wing. I can't stand them without it. IDK it just brings them together as more of a sports car than a Cavalier. As for 701, maybe he is a good driver but I still don't see how he'd lose from a roll. I know it would be close but given that he doesn't have a lot of knock and his car is tuned right, he should be trapping 106-107mph in the 1/4 with a very good shot at 12's if he drove it right. This is from what I have seen multiple others run on 3si. Now....you catch them at 100? Aren't you trapping 103 in 14.1 seconds whereas he should be in the proximaty of going 106-107ish in about 12.8-13.0 seconds? That would be quite a spread. But as I have seen in many cases, anything can happen on the street.

[TorchedStealth]

Well zen zis veekend ve shall video tape some races! It doesnt make sense on paper how our cars that should be trapping 104-105 if they werent hot-lapped at the track (cough cough MZR cough) keep up or beat VR-4s from a roll. I could see it being rape having a staged and bolted LSJ against a stock VR-4 and have seen it many times. But with 701's mods he should be pulling us. It was dead even when MZR had stock exhaust, but in 701's defense we we still hadnt got the boost controller gain quite right so boost was spiking and dropping. Thats why I think a rematch is in order...MZR with exhaust and 701 running how he is now....and me if my car ever decides to work right, because it seems to be hit and miss lately.

Oh and im not trying to be an LSJ fanboi, keep in mind the VR-4 is still my favorite car (and hopefully next car)...so no bias here

[VR43000GT]

Vids FTW! Nah, I am not trying to rag on LSJ's, I just don't see how these races are happening after looking at what others with similar mods on both cars have run. And I am sure a staged LSJ with bolt-ons could handle itself quite nicely agianst a bone stock VR4 from a roll. I guess my questioning was the part of pulling back on one like 701's at a 100mph when he should be passed 100 and to about 106-107 mph in 12.8-13.0 seconds where you would be trapping speeds of 104mph but from what I have seen taking you about 14-14.3 seconds to get there. The difference between the two times is quite substantial in distance between the two cars if that's what they were running.

[TorchedStealth]

I agree with what your saying, but dont just base the LSJ's preformance off of our crappy times. When MZR ran the 14.1 he had a 2.4x sixty-foot time...which is aweful. They dont prep the track that we go to. Damn I still wish I could have ran my car! Most guys with similair mods to ours who can drive worth a shit on a well prepped track (sorry MZR...I wouldnt have done any better) usually run 13.5-13.7 @ 104-105...allthough I have seen a few runs of people with the EXACT same mods as me but with a heat exchanger that trapped 108, but it is not common.

Also, I do not think from a stop we would ever run down 701's car, but a stock VR-4 would probably run down by an LSJ similair to ours right around the quarter mile mark.

MZR, we should find the video of you running the EVO at the track and killing the shitty driver's dreams just for fun!

[MZR_47]

Yeah, the fucker even had a two step! We should get the camera from brandon.

Yes I hot lapped it, but you fuckers told me to! I should be a mid 13 second car, but I have only been to the track twice so I need a little bit of practice. But we will take videos of the race that will end much differently than you expect Like we said, 40 to 90 was dead even.

There would be no hope from a stop, no matter how good of a driver you put in my car. Unless 701 kills it!

And you should keep in mind, those trap speeds and quarter times are on an AWD car compared to a FWD car

[youngvr4]

i had fun with a LSJ not long before i got rid of my vr4.
i posted the race on here, i think he said it was a stage 2
i killed him from a roll up to i think 110 or 120
not by much, they are a lot faster than i thought they were. it actually did a better job than the srt4 did

[vectorspecialist]

i ran a stage 2 cobalt ss/sc with the stealth tt, he beat the living hell outta me, though a 3rd gear grind didn't help, it was from a roll at like 50 or so. all the way up to 130, at that point i puss'd out due to bad front end vibration, but i had pulled a lil bit of a nose on him, took a lot of work to catch him after the grind

[MZR_47]

Yay for quick little bastards! Most people are suprised by these things. The Rabbit R32 guy I killed was quite impressed by how badly I beat him. I can run doors with I/E LS1s and ~400hp VR4s. Not many people would expect that, me included. Had I not seen these things happen first hand, I wouldnt believe it either.

[youngvr4]

my mistake, it was a stage 1 cobalt

story here http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=714769

[GForce957]

Originally Posted by MZR_47

I can run doors with I/E LS1s and

I don't see how since they run mid 13's at around 105 stock...maybe it wasnt the best driver in the world?

[VR43000GT]

^^That's what I was thinking. And like I said before, I in no way am trying to doubt the LSJ, but from what not just you but quite a few others have ran wiht similar mods, it just doesn't add up unless you account for the other driver being a bad driver. LS1's are 2wd and have even been able to pull a couple low 13 second 1/4 without so much as an intake. As for a 400hp VR4, I know a guy here who had his VR4 dyno'd at about 340awhp and ran a 12.4.