Should we compare the new STI and the new EVO?

[dolla_bill0913]

Just a thought I had, you have your different base imprezas and then you have your different base lancers, both non turbo little 4 bangers. Then you have the WRX the turbo model impreza, and the EVO the turbo model lancer, so shouldnt you compare these 2 cars. But then what about the STI, the after market company model of the impreza, should you compare it to the EVO, is it fair? Just a thought, I would love if a aftermarket company would make a lancer model. What do you think?

[mmcc]

as far as my understanding goes,

EVO is equivalent of the Subaru WRX STi (both 2.0L Turbo) 280HP

and the WRX (2.0L Turbo) is the equivalent of the Lancer GSR (1.8 TURBO) I think these two are in the 220HP range
thats as far as i know..

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by mmcc
as far as my understanding goes,

EVO is equivalent of the Subaru WRX STi (both 2.0L Turbo) 280HP

and the WRX (2.0L Turbo) is the equivalent of the Lancer GSR (1.8 TURBO) I think these two are in the 220HP range
thats as far as i know..

i believe the sti has a 2.5L engine.

[mmcc]

ahh i think you are talking about the U.S. spec STi right??

i don't know about what you guys get in the U.S. i am in New Zealand, we get 2.0L Turbo's here.

??????? :licker:

[dolla_bill0913]

I was talking about in the states, but thanks for the info. Here is a good site for the new STI http://www.scoobytuner.com/sti-america.htm

[dolla_bill0913]

Originally posted by mmcc
and the WRX (2.0L Turbo) is the equivalent of the Lancer GSR (1.8 TURBO) I think these two are in the 220HP range
thats as far as i know..

The United states never got the GSR, the EVO will be the first factory turbo lancer to come to the states. Here is a good EVO site http://www.modernracer.com/history/m...o8history.html

[Moppie]

STi Stands for Subaru Techniqua International. (or something like that)
Its not an aftermarket tuner, but a division of Subaru.

The WRX STi is a pure Subaru model, just like the EVO VIII is a pure Mitsi model.
The two cars are also great for makeing a comparison, both have about the same hp, and on paper both are about as quick as each other.

The base model WRX is not as quick as the EVO, and should not be compared with it, the older models where in a similar catagory to the Lancer GSR, a car sold only in Japan. However I dont think a version has been made since the late 90s or about the time the EVO VI came out. It is quite fair to say that at the moment Mitsi does not have car that can be compared with the base model WRX.


The WRX STi as sold in the US market is a differnt problem altogether.
Its is supposed to use a 2.5L engine, most likly a more developed version of the Legacy and Forrester engine.
For the last 5 years Subaru have been having trouble with the fj20 engine in the WRX suffering from detonation when run on low grade fuel. It has cost them a lot of money in Australia where several complete engines had to be replaced, and the warranty was changed and a special ECU chip developed to detune the cars sold in states where high octane fuel was hard to come by.
Clearly to overcome this problem the US Spec WRX has less hp than the version sold else where in the world, and the STi is getting a larger engine able to make as much hp, but with a lower comp ratio.
Quite how this will effect the performance of the car is still open to question, my guess is it will be no faster than the 2.0 STi's sold else where in the world, in which case it should still be a fair comparison with the US Spec EVO VIII, assuming it has more hp than the number quoted.

[dolla_bill0913]

Originally posted by Moppie
STi Stands for Subaru Techniqua International. (or something like that)
Its not an aftermarket tuner, but a division of Subaru.

The WRX STi is a pure Subaru model, just like the EVO VIII is a pure Mitsi model.

Yes I know it is a part of Subaru, but the purpose of STI is to design parts that you can put on your subaru to make it faster<aftermarket. What I am saying is you can buy any subaru and get STI parts to put on it. Because you get a aftermarket part from the same company that made the car, doesnt mean its not an aftermarket part. Just like putting a turbo from Mitsubishi into a nonturbo mitsubishi car<aftermarket. I would just like a company to make a lancer with there products on it, kind of like the OZ addition lancer with the OZ rims.

[Moppie]

Then buy a MINES Lancer. It will walk all over an STi, or even a 22b.

Aftermarket generaly means its made by a seperate manufactor, often with out the surport of the cars maker.

Since STi is part of Subaru any parts sold by them are generaly regarded as comeing from Subaru, and although they may be fitted aftermarket, i.e. after the car was sold new, they are not strictly aftermarket parts.

Also the STi model WRXs are sold as complete cars, and a WRX fitted with STi parts is not considered to be a WRX STi.

[dolla_bill0913]

I would love to buy a MINES lancer from Mitsubishi, but I would want to buy it from a car company so if something breaks it will be fixed for free and you dont have to go out searching for a very expensive hard to find part here in the states. Thats what I was getting at, I would love a totally pimped out car, backed by a car company. Here is an example for you, take a pontiac firebird and then take a firehawk, even though a firehawk has different parts to make it faster, from a company other then pontiac, it is backed by pontiac and they will cover it under warrenty, because it was a joint colaboration to design the firebird into the firehawk. Samething goes for aftermarket mustang companys like saleen, etc., the car has a warrenty through a car company even though it has aftermarket parts to make it faster. If you buy a new car you can only mod it so much or else you void the warrenty, so all I am saying is car companys should start selling more cars with mods from the factory, cars like the STI