New Lancer will have some "blowing up problems!"

[b13seriesser]

19 frickin PSI?! THEY HAVE TO BE INSANE! i would NOT redline this car very much, toyota made the same mistake on the high compression engine in the 2002 celica gts! My friend bought one and the engine just blew for the third time! Stock high compression is a very bad idea. The price is terrible, id rather purchase the new Subaru WRX STI models that are coming to the U.S. in 2003, much more reliable and they actually win the rally races!
:alien:

[Moppie]

And just how much boost to you think the STi runs?

Its at least 19psi.


Theres this thing called "advances in enginering".
It allows automotive enginers to build engines that will with stand much much high levels of stress than they used to.
19psi on a 16valve 4g63 is nothing special, with the advances in combustion chamber design, intercooling, turbo design, exhause porting and of course engine mangement its a quite acceptable boost level.


And I think your friend should look at learning how to drive, or prehaps stop putting low octane fuel in his Celica, I have never heard of them having problems from to higher compression. Infact by many modern standards its not that higher comprssion engine anyway.

[luckym85]

This is all for b13.....


First off the price is not terrible!!!! Are you stupid?!? Below 30,000 for an AWD drive car that will bet many types of Porsche, corvette and bmw's. If you haven’t' seen the news lately the new STi will be priced at 35,000 for the base price!!!! That’s 5,000 more than the EVO VIII if you can't add, which i don't think you can. Also why do you think that the engine isn't aluminum block if they are soooo worried about weight? It’s because of the boost they are running. Do you research before you bag a car!!!

P.S. Subaru is winning because of Tommi Makinen. Who switched for Mitsubishi to Subaru. With out Tommi Subaru wouldn't win.

P.P.S. Also compression and Boost are 2 different things dumbass. The celica has a compression ratio of 11.5:1 while the EVO VIII has a low compression ratio of only 8.8:1 STUPID

[b13seriesser]

i watched a "japaneese supercar race" the other day. 2 skylines, 2 honda NSX, 2 lancer evos, and an RX-7. 1st lap one lancer broke ( tranny) 4th lap the 2nd lancers axel broke! quality car! Rx-7 won followed by the r-34 , an nsx, an r-33 and the other nsx.

[b13seriesser]

The EVO series IS known for its inexpenciveness to performance ratio and in japan it is highly regarded as one of thier best cars. Its a noble concept that will stun america upon its debut. However, to put it bluntly, its a piece of shit. Simple as that. Piece of shit. Now that I think of it, all mitsubishis are pieces of shit. The 4a63 motor is a proven, reliable source of power for what would seem like a great combination of performance and speed, but at such a low price, the car is bound to be missing something. So lets start. . . Firstly, I've never seen an EVO take on a Skyline GT-R and win. Its not that thier fast enough, its that the EVOs always BREAK. Its usualy a tranny problem, and sometimes a total drivetrain problem. You see, thats the strongest part of a GT-R. Clutch dumps at 7g's are no problem for the GT-R, don't dare do it with an EVO. That little (once again) piece of shit will break, WILL break with any aggressive driving. Even HKS doesnt regularly build EVOs due to thier unreliability, and they make some of the best clutches around. Nextly, 19psi IS high, no matter what you newbs think. I dont give a damn about the WRx because its simply a better car with a totaly different motor. Try to upgrade that. Upgrade that turbo and all you get is a blown motor. You have to do complete internals to get that at any higher boost, and guess what, you still need a new tranny to handle it. And another thing, I wouldnt expect much from the fit-and-finish dept. either, compaired to the WRX and GT-R, the interior is poorly done and cheaply made. So, go get your little PIECE OF SHIT EVOIIIV. I'ld rather import an R32 GT-R for about the same price and get a car that would tear up any Mitsubitchy any day of the week. Mitsubishi only made one good thing ever, and it was a ZERO.

[Moppie]

You sound like a very angry confused little man

Did your dog get run over by a Mitsubishi and give you a complex or are you just ignorant?

I have seen an EVO walk all over a GTR skyline, on its way to a low 12sec 1/4.
It did it about 10 times on the same day, and was then driven home.
In case your wondering it was pushing well over 400hp and delivering it all through a stock drive train.
There was a 2nd one there that ran low 13s all day as well, was making well over 300hp and was also driven home.
(the GTR was almost stock, and being a twin turbo inline 6 that costs twice as much as the EVO has every right to be faster)


So far the only evidence you have for your claims of poor relieablity and weak engine design is a race you watched were two Lancers failed to finnsih due to mechanical failure.
However you clearly know nothing about either cars history or level of modifcation, which were more likely contributors to the failure than any manufactoring or design fault by Mitsubishi.



I suggest you grow up and try and find some evidence for your totaly BS claims.
(and try and learn to write cohently, Im not sure in your last post if your bashing the EVO, the WRX or both )

[b13seriesser]

My god, do you honestly judge a car's greatness by what it can do in a straight line? If you want to go down that road ive seen a skyline run an 8.4 in the quarter mile. Signal Auto's Skyline R-34 ( The Heaviest ) runs 8.9 in the quarter on street tires and pump gas. Once again i wasnt claiming that Evo 8 isnt a fast car, its just a preassembled ricer package. Stock altezzas, huge wing, and a cute steering wheel? Give me a break.

Here's a history lesson on the skyline gtr series

"In 1989 Nissan debuted the GT-R to compete in the JTC(Japan Touring Car) Group A racing series. The GT-R was undefeated in its first season. 4 years running the GT-R won the championship in the JTC Group A series, a record of 29 wins out of 29 races."

The following year it was banned from JTC racing for it's complete domination of it's performance of it's debut year, and was then nicknamed GODZILLA for STOMPING the competition.

Quarter mile racing determines how good a car is? I always thought it was the overall potential of every aspect that determined the winner of a race. Initial D said it the best "those who can only drive fast in straight lines, are amatuers" as you are.

Oh, and yes. You CAN get your very own Skyline R-32 GTR for 25,000.00 STREET LEGAL in the US. Hmmm, Uncle Mitsu's Instant rice? Or the kind you have to actually boil~

The evo series is a good solid racing platform, but for the price it's missing a few bolts, they try to cater to hard on the people that are on a budget, and true sports cars and performance and price is a hard compromise, I just personally think a lot on the Evo series was compromised, not to mention that mitsubitch is owned by Chyrsler and Dodge, and do you think they don't play a role in your car's reliability issues? they're just using the japanese name to lure you in, and then give you their cars at a lower price.

I'm sorry Americans don't know how to develop small motors in thinking "there is no replacement for displacement" theory. You want speed and power? get a rotary, 1.3L twin turbo pushing out 255hp, also the Rx-7 3rd Gen priemired at under 30 grand also, but for the same cost, I'd rather get a Nissan 350z the starting price is in the $27,000's and it's a NATURALLY ASPIRED at 280hp, with a drag coeffiency of 0.29 in which most ferrari's have a hard time keeping up with that figure.

Evo 8 @ 19PSI... 275hp... take off the turbo and you have a 110 horsepower car. TRASH

If you want your quarter mile car, here's a great performance car, the Nissan Silvia series

"1998

- In August, JUN Hyper Lemon Silvia USA made an impressive 8.887 seconds in the

quarter mile!

- JUN is challenging the limits of stock car chassis for racing.
"

http://www.upgrademotoring.com/jun_skyline.htm


there you go STOCK CHASSIS in a SR20det 4 cylinder turbocharged motor.

[b13seriesser]

test

[kszx]

19 psi is still rather high, even if technology advances there is only so much pressure the stock gaskets can hold til it breaks.

I have seen an EVO walk all over a GTR skyline, on its way to a low 12sec 1/4.
It did it about 10 times on the same day, and was then driven home.
In case your wondering it was pushing well over 400hp and delivering it all through a stock drive train.
There was a 2nd one there that ran low 13s all day as well, was making well over 300hp and was also driven home.
(the GTR was almost stock, and being a twin turbo inline 6 that costs twice as much as the EVO has every right to be faster)

also this bothers me, running low 12 seconds in the quarter mile with 400hp? is that supposed to be something spectacular?

skyline gt-r R34
277hp stock runs 13.7 @ 103.5 mph in a 3400 lb car

mitsubitshi evo VI
276@6500 runs 13.0 @ 106.9 2900 lb car

rule of the thumb is 1/10 second for every 100lbs so if you take the 500lb of weight difference into consideration the evo only beats the GT-R stock by 0.2 seconds, now if the car has 130 more hp , when you say low what is low? 12.4? anyways there's only one thing to believe, is that he does'nt know how the hell to drive it, along with the fact that almost anyone who races puts their cars into a diet, and goes forth in weight reduction process which should've helped a bit.

the skyline GT-R was made to take on the JTC nothing more, it's a pure breed race car, with the altecca et-s super computer, and the 4 wheel drive, it's a force to be reckoned with.

Comparing as you said "skyline was almost stock" against a "400hp" heavily modified Evo is a laugh. Compare a 400hp Skyline Vs a 400hp Evo and we'll see how close things get.

P.S. Subaru is winning because of Tommi Makinen. Who switched for Mitsubishi to Subaru. With out Tommi Subaru wouldn't win.

If Subaru is only winning because of Tommi Makinen does'nt that mean Mitsubitshi only won CAUSE of Tommi Makinen? It's a double edge sword your playing with in that comment, don't think too hard you might hurt yourself.

P.P.S. Also compression and Boost are 2 different things dumbass. The celica has a compression ratio of 11.5:1 while the EVO VIII has a low compression ratio of only 8.8:1 STUPID

Compression and Boost ARE 2 different things, but the Celica compression rating vs the EVO VIII is irrelevant due to the fact one's NATURALLY ASPIRATED versus a FORCED INDUCTION (turbocharged) thought i'd elaborate cause you seemed to need all the help you can get.

Compare the things on the same plane of existance, "STUPID"
:bandit:

[kszx]

btw if you guys want most power for the buck why not pick up a Dodge Neon SRT? Made virtually by the same company, under 20grand you could have this thing faster than a evo with the money you save :P

but you probably won't do it, cause it's DODGE and it's exterior design leaves much to be desired.

[Moppie]

Anyone Notice that kszx sounds a lot like b13seriesser?

Well its because they are posting from the same Comp.
Either the same person, or an equivlantly ignorant family member or friend.


Oh dont you love it when ppl try to be clever and only make themselfs look like fools.

also this bothers me, running low 12 seconds in the quarter mile with 400hp? is that supposed to be something spectacular?

It was an EVO II, running on street legal tyres and with full interior. It's someones daily driver.

Compare a 400hp Skyline Vs a 400hp Evo and we'll see how close things get.

They Skyline was an R32 with exhaust and chip, its had been dyno'd at about 400hp. The 276hp quoted by Nissan is false, the real number is closer to 330ish. (I though everyone knew that???? )

along with the fact that almost anyone who races puts their cars into a diet, and goes forth in weight reduction process which should've helped a bit.

Really? In Gran Turismo maybe, but certianly not when the same car is also your daily driver.

the skyline GT-R was made to take on the JTC nothing more, it's a pure breed race car, with the altecca et-s super computer, and the 4 wheel drive, it's a force to be reckoned with.

Its certianly a "force to be reckoned with" but the rest is total crap.
Have you ever seen a GTR? or been in one? Its a pure bred road car.

And I think you mean the JGTC, not JTC. The cars in it have very little in common with the road cars they represent, to begin with they are all RWD. (AWD is not allowed)

If Subaru is only winning because of Tommi Makinen does'nt that mean Mitsubitshi only won CAUSE of Tommi Makinen?

Oh my god! You said something intelligent and rational!
Did it hurt?

19 psi is still rather high, even if technology advances there is only so much pressure the stock gaskets can hold til it breaks.

Depends what they make the stock gasket out of.
If you can buy aftermarket gaskets that will hold a lot more boost that only 19psi, then Im sure Mitsi can install the same thing, or something better.

My god, do you honestly judge a car's greatness by what it can do in a straight line

Did I ever say I judge a cars performance by its ablity to run a 1/4?

No I didn't think I did.
I actualy find 1/4 mile racing rather boring, and considering how quickly its all over rather a waste of time. But a race is a race, and I merely sighted a race where an EVO did beat a GTR.

The following year it was banned from JTC racing for it's complete domination of it's performance of it's debut year, and was then nicknamed GODZILLA for STOMPING the competition.

The GTR was debuted on the R30 platform in 1988, it was the R32 platofrm that became known as GODZILLA. But not becasue of its performance in the JGTC. The car was given its name by the Australian press after it won twice in a row at Bathurst. (Australian touring car endurance race)
The car was not banned from the JGTC, but the use of AWD incurred such a huge weight penalty that it was pointless useing it. (same thing happened in the BTCC (british touring cars) after the AWD Audi's dominated, and in Australia after the GTR and Seira Cosworths Dominated.

Initial D said it the best

You don't seriously get your advice and knowledge from a Comic do you?
Next you'll be telling us you can fly faster than a speeding bullet and shoot spider web out of your wrists.

Oh, and yes. You CAN get your very own Skyline R-32 GTR for 25,000.00 STREET LEGAL in the US.

Yes but its a 2nd hand car thats 12 years old. Has very high millage (but will have been wound back) costs twice what its really worth.
A new EVO VIII might be a little more expensive, but its a NEW car, with a warrenty, and garunteed parts avliablity.

The evo series is a good solid racing platform, but for the price it's missing a few bolts, they try to cater to hard on the people that are on a budget, and true sports cars and performance and price is a hard compromise, I just personally think a lot on the Evo series was compromised

Just what are these "compromises"?
I think Mitsi did an awsome job of packaging a very fast car. IMO its not missing anything a performance car needs.
hp - check
awsome handling - check
bucket seats - check
small well balanced wheel - check
aggresive styleing - check
race history - check

whats missing?

not to mention that mitsubitch is owned by Chyrsler and Dodge, and do you think they don't play a role in your car's reliability issues? they're just using the japanese name to lure you in, and then give you their cars at a lower price

Chyrsler owns a share of Mitsi, not all of it.
And how the hell are cars designed and built in Japan ment to be affected by reliablity issues of cars designed and built in the US?

I'm sorry Americans don't know how to develop small motors in thinking "there is no replacement for displacement" theory.

What has this got to do with the EVO?
The car and its engine were designed in Japan by the Japanese, the masters of the small displacement engine.

also the Rx-7 3rd Gen priemired at under 30 grand also

The 3rd gen RX7 came out in the mid 80s.
Do I need to tell you about comparing prices from the 80s with prices 20 years later? here's a hint. "Inflation"

Evo 8 @ 19PSI... 275hp... take off the turbo and you have a 110 horsepower car. TRASH

Actualy the version sold to the rest of the world has a quoted 280ps (275hp) but a real 300+hp. I think you'll find the US Spec version will also have more than the quted hp figure, probobly the same 300+ that the rest of the world gets. (the EVO VII is sold in places with far worse gas than what is avliabe in US with no troubles at all)





Now, do you actualy have anything rational and truthful to say?
Or prehaps some evidence to back up your claims?

[kszx]

[quote]Originally posted by Moppie
[b]Anyone Notice that kszx sounds a lot like b13seriesser?

Well its because they are posting from the same Comp.
Either the same person, or an equivlantly ignorant family member or friend. [quote]

same computer? haha nice accusation but totally false

Oh dont you love it when ppl try to be clever and only make themselfs look like fools.

only person that's making themselves look like fools is you for coming up with nothing but inductive, and ad hominem abuse arguements.

Actualy the version sold to the rest of the world has a quoted 280ps (275hp) but a real 300+hp. I think you'll find the US Spec version will also have more than the quted hp figure, probobly the same 300+ that the rest of the world gets. (the EVO VII is sold in places with far worse gas than what is avliabe in US with no troubles at all)

They Skyline was an R32 with exhaust and chip, its had been dyno'd at about 400hp. The 276hp quoted by Nissan is false, the real number is closer to 330ish. (I though everyone knew that???? )

if you say the skyline and evo's hp ratings were misquoted pretty much cancels it out anyways, also chip and exhausts on a skyline = 400 hp? so 120 more hp to you is "almost stock" moron, and I highly doubt it would've gave it 120 more hp. perhaps they took the cheap way of doing it and maxed out the boost, but still regardless a 400hp skyline vs a 400hp evo would be a close range, it would'nt be so easily as to be "walk all over"

It was an EVO II, running on street legal tyres and with full interior. It's someones daily driver.

"sometimes a daily driver" ? there is no SOMETIMES in daily driver, it has the word DAILY in there for reason meaning REGULAR AND DAILY DRIVING. if it's taken out once in a while it's a weekend / race car. .... sigh morons

The car was not banned from the JGTC, but the use of AWD incurred such a huge weight penalty that it was pointless useing it. (same thing happened in the BTCC (british touring cars) after the AWD Audi's dominated, and in Australia after the GTR and Seira Cosworths Dominated.

new rules are created and maintained to try to keep the levels of competition as close as possible, if these rules existed it would'nt have ever been able to run in the first place. They created the new level of exspectations which could'nt be matched at the time.

You don't seriously get your advice and knowledge from a Comic do you?

Only if the manga (comic) is truthful to it's meanings, on this part ignorance on your part is uncanny, ignorance is not bliss, no matter where it came from if you don't believe in that quote you are a fucken moron. Must everything come from the discovery channel for you to believe? So does that mean Japanese have the greatest sex in the world? haha cause that's what they said.

No matter how dumb the source, it can hold truth and validity to anything, I thought everyone understood that, I guess I should'nt have exspected this level of intellegence from someone who can't even spell guaranteed correctly.

[Yogi_B]

Evo gear boxes are one of the strongest.
Down here in NZ there shit load of evo's racing down the 1/4 mile and they all do hi rev clutch drops.
You very rarely hear of an evo breaking a gearbox, im not saying it doesn't happen, but the GB is pretty damn strong.
Also the same with the engine, the evo's 4G63 can take a good beating and its built to take the boost that its given.

[jrock420]

also its not a constant 19psi, its only around 19psi mid rpm range then drops to around 16psi


I would like to note that i run 22psi on my 87regal t type stockblock/internals on pumpgas "same thing as a grandnational for u newbies"


its funny that you put the srt4 in with the evo/sti The srt4 has about 1/100 of the performance of either car

[luckym85]

I was wondering where are you going to take that R32 if something inside the engine breaks or perhaps someone hits you? You would have to get the parts from Japan and they would alone cost you as much as your 12 year old car. Also stop giving false claims that EVO's are pieces of shit because you watched ONE show where 2 of them broke. Have you ever heard of racing? Things break. I have heard lots of things about the Subaru having a little problem with crank-walking in many of there cars. The skyline GT-R great car, if you want to spend 60,000 dollars for their top-of-the-line car or you can have instead a 30,000 EVO VIII and keep the 30grand while keeping up with the 60,000 car. This EVO VIII will be able to beat 65K BMW's and 80K Porsche's and for only 30K I don't think it’s that bad. Also have you seen all the tests EVO VII vs. Subaru STi in TOP GEAR? The EVO VII Shits all over the Subaru and doesn’t even look back. Think about this if you were to take a STi vs. EVO VIII around the track chances are the EVO VIII would win. This is because its lighter, faster, has faster spool up because of the twin-scroll turbine and just face it, it looks a shit load cooler than the STi. Now you can bitch all you want about you little bug-eye car but at some point you have to stop whining because you know you are wrong.:finger: