Why has'nt Toyota steped up to the challenge???

[integra818]

It seems like Nissan and Honda are leaving Toyota in the dust with 4-door performance. Nissan has an altima that does a 14.7 1/4 time, honda's accord does low 15's, but the camry still does high 15's. Seems to me, toyota needs to turn the performance up on camrys. opinions???

[TRDboi]

perhaps w/ the introduction of the Avalon & Solara, Toyota is phasing the Camry out... I believe the Avalon is over 250 HP...

[tracker+3]

FYI Toyota owns Lexus who has a 14 sec ES 400....... with a small supercharger it is capable of high 12s......seen it happen

[integra818]

Originally posted by tracker+3
FYI Toyota owns Lexus who has a 14 sec ES 400....... with a small supercharger it is capable of high 12s......seen it happen

Is'nt the es400 way more expensive than the accord and altima? I'm not sure about the price...

[Hudson]

Originally posted by TRDboi
perhaps w/ the introduction of the Avalon & Solara, Toyota is phasing the Camry out... I believe the Avalon is over 250 HP...

The Avalon was introduced a few years back and is positioned above the Camry...aiming at the Buick crowd...and produces almost exactly the same hp as the Camry since they share engines (right around 200hp). The Solara's a coupe version of the Camry and wouldn't replace a mainstream product.

The Camry was just redesigned last year and remains the top selling car in the US. Toyota is NOT phasing this car out.

While Honda and Nissan are playing the hp game because they're both trying to catch up to Toyota in sales. The Camry will probably get a hp boost when the 3.3L V6 is added to the lineup, but I don't see the rush. The V6 versions of all three cars aren't the volume in those lineups. They sell more four-cylinder sedans than V6s.

[sk8nbroslofski]

my celica could run better than any of those numbers. i could run high 12s to low 13s. its even in bad condition

[Hudson]

Originally posted by tracker+3
FYI Toyota owns Lexus who has a 14 sec ES 400....... with a small supercharger it is capable of high 12s......seen it happen

I've passed on commenting about "Toyota owns Lexus" and I'm going to the bigger error....

What's an ES400?

[integra818]

Originally posted by sk8nbroslofski
my celica could run better than any of those numbers. i could run high 12s to low 13s. its even in bad condition

I assume your celica is modified, we're talkin about stcok cars here. That's pretty damn good times for a celica

[sk8nbroslofski]

i bought it for 800 dollars...only real difference is it has exhaust headers and no catalytic converter. the reason i run such good time is because i know how to drive, and know how to handle my car

[integra818]

Originally posted by sk8nbroslofski
i bought it for 800 dollars...only real difference is it has exhaust headers and no catalytic converter. the reason i run such good time is because i know how to drive, and know how to handle my car

Header, exaust, and no cat, and you're runnin low 13's?:huh:

[sk8nbroslofski]

you betcha...when i hit the gas in that car, my rear end sits down and goes...i only squeal my tires when i want to. also, my stick shakes a little bit so i can feel the perfect time shift.

[JWatson]

Originally posted by sk8nbroslofski
i know how to drive, and know how to handle my car

Sure pal. Post up a time slip or I'm calling BS.

[sk8nbroslofski]

you will notice, that in one of my previous mesages, i said i COULD run 13s...never said that i have.

[kro$s]

Originally posted by Hudson


The Avalon was introduced a few years back and is positioned above the Camry...aiming at the Buick crowd...and produces almost exactly the same hp as the Camry since they share engines (right around 200hp). The Solara's a coupe version of the Camry and wouldn't replace a mainstream product.

The Camry was just redesigned last year and remains the top selling car in the US. Toyota is NOT phasing this car out.

While Honda and Nissan are playing the hp game because they're both trying to catch up to Toyota in sales. The Camry will probably get a hp boost when the 3.3L V6 is added to the lineup, but I don't see the rush. The V6 versions of all three cars aren't the volume in those lineups. They sell more four-cylinder sedans than V6s.

Im in total agreement here with what your say, but just to put in my 2cents. I believe that if Toyota made some special edition Performance-based cars (Exe. Corolla S) out of the Camry and the Avalon specifically they would be able to tap more into the enthusiasts market like they have with the Matrix, even TRD needs to get more active in providing services/cars for buyers. Aftermarket is big right now, and is only going to get bigger, this is something that Nissan and especially Honda has capitolized on. However the people @Toyota are headed in the right direction with the advertising they are doing for especailly Camry SE, and Corolla S but then we have the Echo, and that other piece of crap who's name escapes me at the current moment.
When you match the Camry vs. Altima, Nissan can't touch it on sales but can destroy it on performance, sporty styling and options alone, same goes with the Honda. So far as the Avalon is concern, Nissan is out selling the Avalon 2-1, the Maxima is just an all around better performance car (depending on the Driver that is) and Accords speak for themselves (not sure if Accord matches up against Avalon or Camry). I am aware the Toyota built their company on a solid reputation of building reliable, inexpensive cars but times are changing and not as slowly as a lot of automobile designers at Toyota think, it's time to step up to the plate and take some risks and add some "umph" to their cars.

[Hudson]

Originally posted by kro$s
...When you match the Camry vs. Altima, Nissan can't touch it on sales but can destroy it on performance, sporty styling and options alone, same goes with the Honda. So far as the Avalon is concern, Nissan is out selling the Avalon 2-1, the Maxima is just an all around better performance car (depending on the Driver that is) and Accords speak for themselves (not sure if Accord matches up against Avalon or Camry). I am aware the Toyota built their company on a solid reputation of building reliable, inexpensive cars but times are changing and not as slowly as a lot of automobile designers at Toyota think, it's time to step up to the plate and take some risks and add some "umph" to their cars.

The Nissan Altima didn't compete against the Camry and Accord until just recently...before the restyling, the Altima was too small and didn't have a V6. The Camry and Accord didn't get to the sales volume they're at in one year...it took time. The Altima has had a huge sales increase over the prior model...and Nissan's adding more production capacity next year.

In 2002 in the US, the Maxima outsold the Avalon by about 50%, not 2-to-1 (98,502 vs 69,029). The 2004 Maxima, according to Nissan, is aimed at the Avalon but previously, it was more competition for the Accord and Camry. Additionally, Maxima sales will actually go down when the new model arrives because it is leaving room for the Altima to expand...and they don't have enough production capacity since it moved to the US.

Toyota doesn't need to take risks. In the US in 2002, Toyota outsold all car brands except Ford...and it looks poised to move past Ford this year. Even with the Accord outpowering the current Camry (240hp V6 vs 200hp V6), they're still running first and second best-selling cars in the US.