i cant slide my rear end out!!

[myk888]

hmmm....just a question, has any of you managed to slide out the rear of your car without pulling up the handbrake...

tried quite a few times and still i never go into oversteer around a corner, just understeer like a bitch! i think the next thing i will try is some left foot braking....wonder if that'll work
anyway, just like to hear how other people do it!

thanks

[Dark Syde Racer]

y would you want to...besides drifting of course..? i havent yet..cept on ice lol...but ebraking is fun but also not too good for your car..

[Melt]

I ebrake my moms accord when ever I want to swing a bitch (u-turn) all the time, its turning radius sucks, and if I dont ebrake it I usually will have to reverse.

[Marc-OS]

FF = understeer. Oversteer in a FF car is pretty damn hard to do. Left foot braking helps eliminate the understeer, and might be able to get you some oversteer, but you'd probably end up slowing down a whole lot before you get any oversteer. Pretty much the only thing you can really hope for is to be in the neutral range. Maybe if it was raining, and you gutted the back of your car out, you might be able to get your rear to slide a little with some sharp turning, but it wouldn't be worth the effort.

[Setanta]

The bloody SiR always seem to go back end out. Usually at about 120km/h+ on a bend or punched to the limit on a bend, but it gets very tailey a lot of the time when you push it to the limits. I was used to a FF going understeer. Currently it 4 wheel slides or pops the back out.

No idea why, my GL 4G never used to do it. Weight distribution or the different suspension geometry maybe?

[Moppie]

EF9 (SiR/VTi) = Road legal weekend race car, and the suspension is tuned accordingly. The car is what you would call extremly well balanced. Meaning oversteer and understeer are conditions dependant on the drivers skill. The Chassis simply does what its told.

All other Civic models = Mommys efficant shopping cart. And the suspension is tuned accordingly. That is with lots of nice safe under steer so mommy wont get in to much trouble when she goes a little fast around the round-about.
This can of course be corrected with the right suspension tuning.

[CAptynCrunch]

Originally posted by Marc-OS
and you gutted the back of your car out, you might be able to get your rear to slide a little

No! This is exactly the opposite of what you want to do!

Most people think that lightening the rear end of a car will make it slide easier but it's actually the exact opposite. The reason a car understeers is because the cornering G's of the front tires is less than the cornering G's of the rear tires. The ammount of cornering force the wheels have is dependant on(among other things) the ammount of weight sitting on them(weight distribution).

This is why FF cars generally tend to understeer, because they have pretty much everything sitting over the front wheels. This means that the front wheels have more load on them than the tires are capable of cornering with so therefore the front tires slide and the car understeers.

If you want your car to oversteer than you should try to even out the weight distrubution a bit. Maybe move the battery to the trunk, or you could always get a friend or two to sit in the back seats

Another choice would be a rear stabilizer bar. That would increase the rear of the cars roll stiffness and it would result in a bit of a loss of grip at the back. That would cause some sliding. However, since this would be a little detremental to performance I'd suggest getting a stabilizer for both the fron and rear, just make the rear one stiffer.

[myk888]

setanta...
you mean u can actually 4 wheel drift ur FF car??
I mean...thats quite difficult, my car doesnt seem to want to do it...no matter what i do..
do u guys mean ebraking as in left foot braking or hand brake?

oh, i just tried the left foot braking thing... just slows my car down, keeps the revs up and causes less understeer...thats about it...
i dont understanddd!....

I just want to learn how to drift, and i think that i'd get more luck if i got a FR car, like a MR2 mk1!
Very cheap and fun! but insurance?...hmmm

[91HBSi]

I used to work at the mall and there was a really cool S curve that i had to take every night to get out. I "drifted" it once. I used to always speed around there, but there was this reallly nice looking accord that i wanted to catch up to and look at so i was going faster than normal. I came into it with the front tires chirping but still holding, and the rear end whipped around pretty good. I quickly wound my steering the other way to correct, and i proceeded to make the last of the S with a perfect "drift" then i came out of it totally straight. It was really cool, but I don't think that's suppose to happen in FWD cars. I was thinking "I wonder if anyone saw that" but it was closing hours so there were only like 3 cars around.

[Fishcat37]

Originally posted by myk888
I just want to learn how to drift, and i think that i'd get more luck if i got a FR car, like a MR2 mk1!
Very cheap and fun! but insurance?...hmmm

FR means Front engine, Rear wheel drive. An MR2 has a midshipped engine (behind driver, but in front of rear axles). Mid(shipped) engine Rear wheel drive 2 seater. You would call an MR2 MR, not FR. Toyota named it that way for a reason

[zcmadman]

i did have some huge reply but aol bumped me like always and i dont feel like typin it again so....just get stiff in the rear and whip it, but do it in a parkin lot till you are good at it, b/c i have had 2 near totalin my car experiences b/c of that. id go inot detail, but again im too lazy to retype it all. i have a 88dx hatch w/a crx rear sway bar welded to the frame, neuspeed springs w/2 coils cut off, and 90 si shocks. works good no ebrake necessary just whip it and the butt sticks out :sun: :silly2:

[Setanta]

moppie: Yeah, I was actually looking at the suspension of my SiR compared to a GL next to it in the workshop, the settings are a little different at the rear, not just the front. It can make things a bit exciting for sure

BTW - where've you been man - long time no see

myk888: yeah, it will go into a brief drift, not full on as in what can be done with a S13/14/15 Silvia or GTS-t Skyline, but instead of understeering, you can break the rear end out, no handbrake needed.

[jeef]

the rear end of my rex def. likes to pop out... few times my rear was inches away from gaurd rail on the passenger side while my drivers front is on the yellow lines.. i had one of my friends behind me once when it was like that, hehe he was rather shocked... but it all depends on how i take the corner... i get get in to big understeer too...

[FourthGenHatch]

I used to be able to do awesome ebrake drifting in my car but after I swapped to rear discs it won't do it anymore.

[CAptynCrunch]

Just to add to fishcats post, You don't drift with a mk1 MR2. Those things are about as close as you'll get to a street legal go-kart. They really aren't made for drifting. Much better to just drive normal.