86 crx si swap?help

[rosendo192000]

All right I just bought a 86 crx si about week ago and im ready to make a swap I was thinking about swapping a b16a in to it. But after the entire search I made on this forum im kind of confused. (I thought I just could swap the b16a in to it but I thought wrong).
Can any one help me on what I should start to buy first to my the swap possible.

[boman]

You need ALOT of $$$$$$$$$

Check out www.hasport.com for further information. They sell a
1G CRX B16A1 swap kit that after the whole engine, tranny, motor
mounts, wiring harness, axles, etc, etc, will run you close to
$3000.

Why not consider a Brown Top JDM ZC motor, it's a 1.6L DOHC, that
with the weight of your car is guaranteed to haul as*. It would cost
you a fraction of the afore mentioned price.

Check out www.redpepperracing.com/forum, for 1G CRX and 3G Civic
fanatics. There is a large population of people who have done the
swap and wouldn't hesitate to answer your questions.

[rosendo192000]

so ur saying that it will cost me cloes to a 3000 dollar and thats not including whole engine, tranny, motormounts, wiring harness, axles,

[jcrx]

No that is with everything you need,motor,mounts,shiftlinkage ecu...etc.If I am not mistaken the 1000000 series motors bolt up without a mount kit.But as mentioned before the zc is a better easier choice.

[boman]

A B series motor WILL NOT directly mount into a 1G CRX. This is
because it has D series mounts which are completely different.

j

[jcrx]

That information was given in the sportscompactcar where they swap a b16a1 into a 86si,hence the if I'm not mistaken.Also I have "D" series mounts in my civic does that mean I didn't drop a b into it without mounts?And another thing how can you call them d series when the motor code is ew1-5?Where's the d?Am I trying to start a war,no just trying to help someone out by offering information.

[rosendo192000]

well atfer thinking about it for a long time i dicided to go with the b16a . i know that the "b" will bolt on with hasport mounts and i also know that i will need the following Hasport custom linkage , Hasport custom axleshafts , intermediate shaft from a 90-93 Integra (im going to get the motor , tranny , and ecu in end of feb. )
i know that im missing more part i would be needed and if so can u guys tell me what more things i need

[boman]

Originally posted by jcrx
That information was given in the sportscompactcar where they swap a b16a1 into a 86si,hence the if I'm not mistaken.Also I have "D" series mounts in my civic does that mean I didn't drop a b into it without mounts?And another thing how can you call them d series when the motor code is ew1-5?Where's the d?Am I trying to start a war,no just trying to help someone out by offering information.

If you're starting a war, than you already lost it. If you read the
article entitled "Cram a B16A into your 1G CRX" in the Oct. or
Nov. 2001 issue of Sportcompact, you'd know that YOU NEED
special engine mounts in order to do this swap. HASport offers this
swap kit as I mentioned before. Also, why are you comparing the
engine bay along with mount positions with your 92 Civic???? These
are completely DIFFERENT cars!! This post makes me wonder if you
did indeed drop in that B into it.... Time to do some more research.

Also, the EW codes pertain to engines as follows;

EW1 = USDM CVCC Carb (DX and HF)
EW2 = CDM Carb
EW3 = USDM PGM-FI Si ('85)
EW4 = USDM PGM-FI Si ('86)
EW5 = JDM CVCC PGM-FI
EV1 = 1.3 CVCC Carb

These were, in 1987 assigned with D series codes. The
EW4 is the same engine as a D15A3.

Hope this helps,

j

[jcrx]

For one thing I do have a b in my civic,and another if you read through that exact article,your gonna see that they say that one of the two either the 1 million or 5 million series will mount up without the mount kit.The EW3 is in the 86 si while you may have got EW4 off a list,I got it off my engine block.You need the mounts to clear a U.S. hoodline.If indeed the E series is the same as the D then what makes you think it won't swap out?There are places that make mounts for the b16 into a 5th gen civic,but I garantee you do not need them I asked them why they made them and they insisted you had to have them.True you can't use your stock ew mounts but you can use b series.So we can call it a draw or keep arguing till we're blue in the face your not going to convince me and you seem pretty sure of yourself.

[boman]

Originally posted by jcrx
For one thing I do have a b in my civic,and another if you read through that exact article,your gonna see that they say that one of the two either the 1 million or 5 million series will mount up without the mount kit.

Into what? Your 92 Civic? or an 86 CRX Si? If you're talking about your
92 then yes, the 86 no.

The EW3 is in the 86 si while you may have got EW4 off a list,I got it off my engine block.

What does this have to do with anything? We swapped a carbed ZC into
my brother's 86 DX and are now in the process of swaping a PGMFi ZC
into my 87Si. So we have tinkered enough with our old engines as well
as the new ones, and are well aware of what exists in an empty 1G CRX
engine bay.

You need the mounts to clear a U.S. hoodline.

Umm, what?

If indeed the E series is the same as the D then what makes you think it won't swap out?

The EW series and early D series engines out of a 1G CRX are different
motors then the B series (either B16A1 or B16A2). That's all I was
saying.

There are places that make mounts for the b16 into a 5th gen civic,but I garantee you do not need them I asked them why they made them and they insisted you had to have them.True you can't use your stock ew mounts but you can use b series.

Once again, are you talking about your 92 Civic? Becuase if so, this
whole argument has nothing to do with the original post. This dude is
asking if it's worth it for a B16A1 to be swapped into his 86 CRX Si. You
can't perform this swap without the Hasport mounts, or serious custom
welding.

So we can call it a draw or keep arguing till we're blue in the face your not going to convince me and you seem pretty sure of yourself.

Before we call anything draw we should maybe try to understand what
we are talking about. Because I can't seem to conclude whether or
not your referring to your 92 Civic or an 86 CRX Si. All of these
posts are like comparing apples to oranges...your 92 Civic is DIFFERENT
then a 86 CRX Si.

j.

[jcrx]

Yes,when I say I swapped a motor into my civic I am talking about a 92 aka 5th gen. The other thing that I am talking about is ths fact that as I said already SCC said in that article the 1 mil. or 5mil.(I don't have the mag with me)can be swapped in to a 86 crx si without the mount kit,If this information is wrong then you need to take it up with SCC.I had a 86si that had been in a wreck the frame was bent and I didn't believe it was safe enough to handle that much power.
Over here in Germany I've seen b16a1s in 1st gen. without mount kits and they had to use a zc's hood to fit it because the cam gears on the drivers side would hit the hood but the zc's have a hump in them on that side to accommodate a dohc.
Maybe over here since we had zc's in 1st gen then we have different mounts or people are just creative.
I am not comparing my 92 to a 86 what I am saying is that people tell you things that aren't true so they can sell you a product you don't really need i.e.:mount kits for bseries into a 5th gen.

[boman]

hello.... i am jakobs brother and i have been reading the last posts.... now... jakob and i have been moding out our two 1st gen crxs for about 2 years now... i have an 86 he has an 87... we both have been in a first gen crx with a b16a and have seen the extensive work needed to make a b16a1 or b16a2 fit in a 84 to 87 honda civic... i don't know if you have ever really looked at the stock 84 to 87 mount configuration in your old crx closly.... if you notice the b16a has a driver side mount that is located on the side of the block... right under the cam gears... here is a pic



now if you really looked at your old crx you would notice that the engine mount on the driver side, wether it be a stock engine or a 1stgen zc, is on the front of the block... if you took both engines and placed them together then you would see that the b16a mount on the driver side is a good 6 inches towards fire wall... ohhh and yes i do have a pic...



you can see the mount is bolted on the front of the block... you can even see how it is beside the exhaust manifold...

jakob and i would love a b16a in our crxs... that would be the best thing ever... just we cant afford the mounts that bolt in to alow the driver side mount to bolt in...

i think you got cofused... they said int scc that the 1million and 5 million will both FIT THE HASPORT mounts but.... the 5 million has a hydrolic clutch there by making it harder to swap in because you also have to swap in the pedal assembly that has a hydrolic clutch... also you would think that if the b16a fit directly into the 1stgen then you would see the swap done everywhere... i have only seen 5 1stgens with that swap...

so as you can see you are wrong...

ohh... and who ever asked for this advise. i have to say b16 would be really cool but it is alot of work... as for the zc it is ten times ten easier then the b16a, and with a light car you will see the differeance in preformance... it is an awsome swap... just dont listen to the other guy... if you did and bought a b16a then you'll be stuck with an engine that will not fit... not even close.... trust me...

chris

[jcrx]

You can believe what you want to believe have you ever even seen a zc in the car it originaly came in and how it was mounted?I have,so if you think the extensive experience you have tinkering with your usdm 1st gen qaulifies as the end all of what works and what doesn't then that is great.I am glad,stick to it and one day you will be on top of the world.Till then I'll stick with what I've seen and driven for the last few years and live in my ignorance.But on a side note,my b16a2 from 93VTi in my 93civic vx(so there is no confusion as to what car I am talking about) has a hydraulic clutch,and guess what,it is a 1 million series,so no I don't think they were talking about the clutch,considering the topic at the time was mounting the motor in the car.And if you will look at your picture the b16 is a wider motor then the ew,if your were to mount it off the front of the block the intake manifold would not fit in the rex's bay.It's a tight squeeze in the 92.A zc motor doesn't mount at the front of the block.If you've a hundred bucks for the motor and whatever shipping and cleaning it will cost my buddy back in Germany will send you a zc1 that is sitting in the garage,it came out of a 85 rex,it's the one with the olive brown valve cover.Then you can drop it right in your rex,if my assumption is correct you MAY be able to use some of the mounts to fit in a b.Like I said before,I ain't trying to start a internet fight cuz that is retarded,but when someone says something can't be done that I've seen done it gets annoying.

[rpr]

Not to try and beat a dead horse, but perhaps you are both right? The picture above with the polished valve cover is a brown-top ZC, and it most definitely has the mount on the front of the block. The ZC from a 88-91 CRX does have the mount on the side of the motor. I have never personally seen an EDM 1G CRX, so I can't say what the mounts look like. Perhaps jcrx can post some pics of his 'mountless' B16 1G, and we can see what exactly is different.

To answer the first poster, if you are referring to a USDM/CDM 84-87 CRX, then you will need a mount kit for B-series, unless you are into welding. EDM may be different.

[jcrx]

Nothing would please me more than being able to show some one that it can be done.The problem is I am on deployment right now,but if ya still care in six months track me down and I'll send ya pics.