eclipse vs. vette please explain

[n1kki6]

alright, just to get it straight i'm not trying to piss anyone off. So hear it goes. I just bought a 94 vette, i know a few kids with gst or gsx eclipses, all of them paid anywhere from 12 - 17 for they're car, i paid 14 for my vette, mint condition, 60k, 6 spd. Now why is it they are all talking sh*t about how they can almost beat me after they're mods, which they can't, but apparantly they think a 14.4 to a 13.9 quarter is almost beating me. Honestly your comparing oranges to apples, if i spent the same amount on my car that they did on theirs they woudn't even come close. SO for those of you that like to compare your modded cars to stock sports cars stop it because there is no comparison.

[Whitey]

another domestic vs imports comparison

[n1kki6]

no its not about domestic vs. import to me, its about people always comparing there modded cars to mine thinking that i can't go out and do the same thing and it gets old. Don't get me wrong i love fast cars and respect them, but i can't say the same for some of the owners.

[w8n4myevo]

Just look at it this way, yes they have a modded 4cyl and you have a stock 8 which I believe is a 350 correct? Look at it this way, vettes have double the room for producing power,8 cyl vs. 4 cyl, 5.8 litres vs. 2.0 and 6 speed versus 5. And all you have on them is a half a second? In my book they are close. And btw, wait for the Evo VII and you will see a 2.0 smoke you. Nothing personal but america doesnt know how to make a car fast. You want to keep up with the everchanging and drastically improving import scene? Do yourself a favor and contact John Lingenfelter. I think he might be able to help you keep up.

[ECTurboGSX]

They are spending there money the wrong way then. I could spend about 1500 more and be around 5500 total on my car and run low 12s. I have other priorities right now though, like keeping my car in one piece. Both import and domestic need to realize that everyone is reaching for the same goal, to go fast, we just each have our weapon of choice. By the way, don't let those kids make you think DSMs are slow. John Shepperd ran a 9.70 in the 1/4 and Dejan Dan Cokic ran a 9.77, both of these are street cars driven to the track. Also realize, that atleast in my group of DSM friends, we hate the rice cars just as much as the V8 guys do.

[n1kki6]

ok what i'm saying is yeah i only have them buy half a second, but they spent a total of any where from 15 to 18k with the car, the guy at 14.4 spent about 18, which leaves me with 4k to spend. So what i'm saying is if i put 3k into my car i can guarantee at least low 12's, so thats back to 2 - 2.5 seconds again. All i am saying is modding an eclipse to be as fast as a vette buy that time you could have bought a vette and then some, now i'm not saying everyone should have a corvette, but those that buy other cars and modd them should compare them to other modded cars, because I haven't even started modding, i've spent less money and i'm still faster, but i can do everything else better too. After all you don't see me comparing myself to a viper. And even if i did i could get my car that fast and spend less then what it costs to buy one. If it costed more to mod my car i would just buy the viper and start from there.

[Taylor SPL]

I see your point if you only wanted to get the fastest car for the dollar. But I like my Talon more than almost all vettes except brand new ones. I got my car for $8k and after mods I will have spent probably around $13k, I will make it run low 12 second passes reliably off my stock internals 2.0 ltr motor. Amazing that a 4 cylinder could beat a vette? Yes can the vette be faster? Definetly. There is no replacement for displacement, sure turbos compansate but turbo a v8 and it will anihillate(sp?) any 4 cyl turbo you can throw at it(assuming both are at the same level of mods). I got my car so I can race modded v8's I'm tired of ricers.

PS The beauty of turbo is a large enough one on the freeway to top speed doesn't stop pulling till it runs out of tranny.

[Brent F]

If you don't like them talkin trash invite them to the track and pound them all one 1/4 mile blast at a time. Just be sure when you go that you have what you think you have or be prepared to take more trash. And if they say well i was close then pull a f&f "dosent matter if you win by an inch or a mile"

[ECTurboGSX]

I've spent around 5000 total on my car, including buying it, and it runs mid 13s my first time at the track. The examples you provide us with are not legitimate. If someone spent over 18k in mods for a 14.4 second eclipse, then they are dumb and do not stand for the rest of the DSM community. In case you haven't heard, a C5 corvette guy was talking trash to a turbo civic, and when they finally raced, the civic murdered him. And honestly, how much do you even know about eclipses?? Can you tell me the power potential on the stock internals?? Oh, and by the way, we killed a Viper in my friends modded C4 (452@ the wheels).

[Grendel]

Originally posted by ECTurboGSX
I've spent around 5000 total on my car, including buying it, and it runs mid 13s my first time at the track. The examples you provide us with are not legitimate. If someone spent over 18k in mods for a 14.4 second eclipse, then they are dumb and do not stand for the rest of the DSM community. In case you haven't heard, a C5 corvette guy was talking trash to a turbo civic, and when they finally raced, the civic murdered him. And honestly, how much do you even know about eclipses?? Can you tell me the power potential on the stock internals?? Oh, and by the way, we killed a Viper in my friends modded C4 (452@ the wheels).

I saw that thread about the Civic vs Vette over on some place called Corvette Forums (something like that)... I don't remember the 'Vette guy having a lot of mods... I'm sure the Civic guy was moded to hell...

*shrugs* A Geo Metro could beat a Corvette if you threw enough money at it... its all about who wants to spend the most money on their car...

-Grendel

[n1kki6]

spent 18 including the car, newer eclipse. Like i said before i respect the cars just not some of the owners and these guys i mentioned i have no respect for. Its all status. Sure there is always someone that dollar for dollar is going to be faster.

[GSX_Racer]

Im not the biggest car expert in the world but this is the way i see it. Your Vette brand new was probably between 30 and 40 thousand bills. My turbo eclipse GSX was 16,500 brand new. Your car is double the car with a V8 and worth twice as much. Im thinking that your friends are driving the 3rd generation 95-99 modles witch were a lil bit more expencive. But hey, enough bullshit. What im trying to say is I would hope that ur car would destroy them. Its not in the same class as them. This is like comparing the star Varsity Football player to the Star Junior high football player. Just my opinion.

PS...That Jr. High football player could always grow up to kick the Varsity Football Players ass...go dsm.

[ECTurboGSX]

(95-99 is second generation, the new ones are 3rd generation), but otherwise, I agree.

[GSX_Racer]

My bad...I know alot of people that consider the 92-94 modles 2g.

[n1kki6]

everyone is missing my point here, my point is the fact that even if they did beat me they are still asses and don't know shit, everyone here that has posted something i'm fine with, i'm just had to vent about these stupid shits, so if you know anyone like this tel them to shut up. The point i'm making is that more often than not people are comparing there cars to a vette, don't know why but thats the way it is. Now even if they are faster, there comparing a modded car to a stock car. They seem to forget that i could have bought a 4k car and did 12 of mods and been whuppin some serious ass, but they are the ones still insisting i can almost beat a vette and there is no point. Who gives a shit, is what i'm trying to say.