something i thought of...

[FortuneF1]

i wonder what it would take, how much it would cost, or if its even feasible, but what are people's thoughts or knowledge on possibly transforming a f1 roadcar into an f1 gt 'longtail'. just a thought to rack your minds over...

[ArchangelGTR]

Interesting that you bring this up. I had thought about this in passing in the past. Wondered why no one has done it yet. Is the GT too far off of people's scales in terms of style? Would McLaren Cars refuse this? Since the center "tub" is practically the same, I don't see it being an unfeasable modification... given the resources of some of the owners.

But this could go back to valuation of the car itself and the mindset of the collector. The chassis # will identify it as a "standard" McLaren. But modifications done by the factory do weigh more than the mods done by aftermarket companies.

[hurstg01]

Originally Posted by FortuneF1

i wonder what it would take, how much it would cost, or if its even feasible, but what are people's thoughts or knowledge on possibly transforming a f1 roadcar into an f1 gt 'longtail'. just a thought to rack your minds over...

see my quote from the Dream Stable thread -

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=458391

and this one, dedicated to the very same question you posed

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=401691

Great minds think alike!!!

[FortuneF1]

i do not find the longtail f1 to be less attractive than the standard f1, in fact i find it more appealing, and prefer the look of it over the standard car, gordon also finds the longtail to be rather appealing. as far as hurting the value, i would think it would have a miniscule effect on the value of the car. after all, an f1 owner can have the f1 lm's gtr hd kit installed on their standard roadcar without the value dropping, why would the longtail conversion be any different? of course some changes under the skin would have to happen as well, such as radiator and front brake cooling ducts and the exhaust and rear brake cooling ducts and im sure some other things. but im positive it could be done, at most likely an extremely high price im sure, and maybe thats why it hasnt been done yet, the cost just may be to high for what any owner thinks it would be worth to them, or any future buyer, to have the conversion done. another question i have pondered is why the roadcars with the hd kit installed lack the sideskirts and front fender flares? to me the front bumper and diffuser look out of place without the sideskirts, much like a ricer honda or something with a front bodykit bumper and no sideskirts or rear bumper. the rear wing also looks rather out of place, as it is the only thing on the roadcars with the hd kit installed from the front fenders to the rear bumper that is reminiscent of an f1 lm or gtr

[FortuneF1]

just to clarify my thoughts a little more, due to the fact that archangelgtr is, so far IMO, the only one to fully understand what im asking about. which is not converting a 97 gtr to road use, not that its a bad idea, but i was talking about going from this:

to this:

[murraydeschot]

Originally Posted by FortuneF1

With the number of fecking speed bumps (read "mini mountains") in Amsterdam if you drove something like this you'd have to be prepared for a weekly trip back to McLaren to replace the front and rear end! And who said Holland was a flat country?!

Anyway, the practicalities of driving a car like this over a standard road F1 would mean it would have to be consigned, in general, for trailed-to-track days out ... which, considering the total cost of acquisition and conversion would, I'd suggest, be far too foolhardy even for the Billionaire Club Members!

[FortuneF1]

Originally Posted by murraydeschot

With the number of fecking speed bumps (read "mini mountains") in Amsterdam if you drove something like this you'd have to be prepared for a weekly trip back to McLaren to replace the front and rear end! And who said Holland was a flat country?!

thats the beauty of adjustable coilover suspension, you can raise the ride height a little, albeit not nearly enough to clear probably even the lowest speed bumps, but enough to make it much more driveable on public roads than it is in racing set-up, plus where i live you only find speed bumps in a few parking lots here and there..., and ive seen hondas and stuff like that just as low as that f1 driving around here...

[BMW.WilliamsF1Team]

It would be easier and cheaper to convert a GTR Longtail to an F1 GT. The body is basically the same and the GTRs are cheaper than the road cars. I would never do that, though.

If I did buy 27R (the orange one you posted), I would either paint it in the LARK colors it wore a few times or just all black with black wheels like the Loctite 22R (looks amazing).

[ArchangelGTR]

Ferrari and Lamborghini get away with conquering such traffic obstacles such as speed bumps by installing hydraulic systems in the cars to raise and lower the car.

[murraydeschot]

Originally Posted by ArchangelGTR

Ferrari and Lamborghini get away with conquering such traffic obstacles such as speed bumps by installing hydraulic systems in the cars to raise and lower the car.

Yes, but I don't think you comprehend the immensity of Amsterdam speed bumps. Even stopping the car first, then slowly taking then diagonally, I went through at least 3 front spoilers in about 3-4 months in my previous CRX Vtec show car ... you need the ground clearance of a Humvee to avoid them!

[ArchangelGTR]

Then just don't drive in Amsterdam. Sorry no Mac for you!

[FortuneF1]

Originally Posted by BMW.WilliamsF1Team

It would be easier and cheaper to convert a GTR Longtail to an F1 GT. The body is basically the same and the GTRs are cheaper than the road cars. I would never do that, though.

If I did buy 27R (the orange one you posted), I would either paint it in the LARK colors it wore a few times or just all black with black wheels like the Loctite 22R (looks amazing).

im sure it would be a whole lot cheaper, i was just simply trying to see what others thought about the possibility of converting a standard roadcar into a longtail... and i was unaware that 27r ever wore the lark livery, i thought only 19r did? but as far as the 22r loctite livery, id have to say the 22r davidoff livery of the same year would be my choice... its my favorite livery, as showcased below in my sig...

[Peloton25]

19R carried the LARK livery only at the 1997 Suzuka 1000kms race.

27R wore the LARK livery at the 1997 24Hrs of LeMans.

I believe those were the only two uses of it on a longtail GTR.

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