for all deep thinkers.

[94S10SS383]

What is out there? seriously what is out in space..I mean we are on this little rock called Earth floating around in space...what else coul dbe out there...aliens more humans...a different type of human...maybe absolutly nothing... tell me what u guys think....?

Josh 21
94 S-10 SS 4.3

[ec437]

are you high right now?

[Jas_M]

Obviously if there is any life elsewhere in the galaxy, it's alien, and probably looks nothing like us. But seriously, if there is life out there somewhere, even if it's intelligent, who know's how far along they are? Even if they have superior technology, the vastness and harshness of space is a ridiculously hard thing to overcome. I mean, the closest star to us (Proxima Centauri) is 4.24 light years away. Light travels at a speed of 186,000 miles a second, or 700 million miles an hour. Think about that. Traveling that fast, it still takes over 4 years just for the light to reach us from that star. Now imagine how long that would take when traveling in the space shuttle, even using it's orbit speed of 17-18,000 mph. Then you have to figure out how to store all the fuel you'd need, which in turn calls for a much, much, much larger spacecraft to hold the fuel. There are all sorts of possible designs, but they use imaginary technology that won't be around any time soon, if ever.
Now try to imagine that that intelligent life is in a totally different galaxy, somewhere on the other side of the universe, where distance would be measured in thousands upon thousands of light years. The distances are almost impossible to fathom. Unless someone discovers how to convert anti-matter into fuel, or stumbles upon a wormhole (which is still just a theory at this point), humans won't be making contact with anybody that lives on another planet outside our solar system.

[solaris=amazing]

Man o man, this question i've asked ALL my life. I definetly believe there is other life, there HAS to be. Once i learned that what we see at night, the stars and stuff, and all our planets-are inside OUR galaxy, and beyond that, there is countless other stars/galaxy's/planets etc it got me thinking. The aliens..well i believe most of them would be human-like, nothing like crazy 8 headed monsters, or friggin predator's etc-then again, thats selfish by me stating that, cause i just don't know.

But yeah, this question is just amazing.. Cause it's the biggest question posed next to the whole God and Heaven thing. I believe in god, and heaven-but remember, if there is a good, there is an evil.

[twospirits]

Originally Posted by solaris=amazing

The aliens..well i believe most of them would be human-like, nothing like crazy 8 headed monsters, or friggin predator's etc-then again, thats selfish by me stating that, cause i just don't know.

Okay lets say for the sake of argument, there is life out on another planet in the universe somewhere. How can you say that they would be human like. We as humans have evolved because of our genetic makeup our gravity and the environment and millions of years of evolution Whats to say that on that other planet their gravity is different or the astmosphere etc. The species would evolved probably shorter, thicker skin (if the environment was harsher compared to ours) etc, etc. I believe I saw in one of those science mags a long time ago this same scenario and the creatures they came up with were mind boggling.

TS out (looking for his Star Trek Uniform)

[YogsVR4]

Not one sign of life outside our little rock in the universe. Nothing.

With such a total lack of evidence, I'm surprised at the number of people who believe that there is life out there (especially intelligent life). It would be amazing if there was, but consider a few things. The universe is 15 billion years old (give or take). It took (supposedly) about three billion years for humans to show up. We only took a tiny fraction of that time to invent radios. Our radio waves will be loud enough to hear on the furthest galaxies we know of once the waves get there. All it would take is for one species to develop radio waves in the last ten billion years for us to pick up on them. Even if a species took tens of thousands of years to go from planet to planet (even with only probes) they could have covered the galaxy a hundred times over.

The fact the vastness of space makes it hard to find things is offset by the magnitude of time we’re dealing with.

Not one piece of evidence – anywhere.

[solaris=amazing]

Imagine if there was no life anywhere else-that in itself would be amazing. I did hear of such a thing of these so called boob-aliens. They are supposed to be 6ft tall, weigh no more than 120lbs and have what earthlings call "blonde hair", oh, and they have mounds or some kind of foreign rubber-like domes in there chests....

Thats the aliens look at LA :-)

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Not one sign of life outside our little rock in the universe. Nothing.

With such a total lack of evidence,

lack of evidence how can you even say that. Seriouly yogs i though more of you. there are plenty of pictures showing extremelly low resolution blobs in the sky. Plus all the eye witness accounts from angry drunk inbred rednecks.


And lets not forget the lights in the sky as also seen in very low resolution videos. How can you explain those except for the airplaines of all types, helicopters, meteorites etc.

See plenty of evidence. Heck maybe I'll get drunk tomorow get my ultra hight tech camera (5 pixel rez) and take some more pictures of them aliens.

FYI is a proven fact that hight alcohool levels in the blood, combined with the use of 3 dollar cameras found in albertson's discount bin increase the chances of witnessing an alien. Just remember to use the worst posible lighting, shaky hands and the walmart 50c foto special when you develop them.

[YogsVR4]

Gotcha

[2strokebloke]

Whatever it is that may be out there, I sure don't care about it.

[Jas_M]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Our radio waves will be loud enough to hear on the furthest galaxies we know of once the waves get there. All it would take is for one species to develop radio waves in the last ten billion years for us to pick up on them. Even if a species took tens of thousands of years to go from planet to planet (even with only probes) they could have covered the galaxy a hundred times over.

You're forgetting that there is no 'sound' in outer space, so the "loudness" of our radio waves is irrelevant. Not to mention, who's to say that an alien civilization would even be monitoring for radio waves? Maybe they're so advanced they don't bother with such an inferior technology, and instead use something stronger or faster. They could be broadcasting at a frequency or using a method we aren't even aware of it. Or maybe they haven't even reached the basic radio level yet.
The label of 'intelligent life' doesn't apply only to modern day humans; it also covers our early ancestors who were making primitive cave drawings and using the most basic of stone tools, and probably couldn't even imagine some of the things we have today, as well as another group of primates, the chimpanzee.
Also, there is no way a space probe could cover the universe a hundred times over, even if it was travelling for "tens of thousands of years" as you put it. A galaxy? Possibly. I'm not going to bother with the math on that one, lol. There are at least 100 billion galaxies, each with approximately 1 billion stars. Even travelling at the speed of light, this would take a ridiculous amount of time. The universe is at least 156 billion light-years wide, based on this study. And like i said, that's if you're travelling at the speed of light. Now take into account that radio waves and the like travel nowhere near as fast as light does, and you can start to see how hard it would be for humans to make contact with another culture somewhere in our own galaxy, let alone one in another galaxy, or in a distant corner of the universe. It takes a looooooooong, looooong time for things to travel in space, even if a civilization is more advanced than ours. Aside from travelling at light speed, the only way (theoretically, at least) to travel quickly across the galaxy, is through a wormhole. Assuming these do exist, an alien culture would have to be sophisticated enough to not only find one, but also intelligent enough to use it properly.
The odds are in favor of there being life out there somewhere. Whether it ever advances to the point we're at now, or is ever able to contact us, who knows? They/it could be wondering the same thing. And what that lifeform might look like, that's anybody's guess, and using your wildest imagination certainly wouldn't hurt in this department. Just take a look at all the varied types of animals we have living on land. Now factor in all the life forms that live in the oceans, some of which live in environments that were once thought to be completely inhospitable to life (deep sea vents, for example). But in fact, life flourishes in those environments. Life adapts to whatever conditions are present. Life elsewhere in the universe may look somewhat familiar to us, or it could look like nothing anyone has ever imagined.

[leadfootGTP]

Originally Posted by Jas_M

I mean, the closest star to us (Proxima Centauri) is 4.24 light years away.

our school system fails once again



the SUN (bright thinngy in the sky ) is a star, bud, about .02 light years away i believe i donno, 7 days is the number ive been hearing as far as light from the sun reachnig us so i figure thats at least close

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by Jas_M

You're forgetting that there is no 'sound' in outer space, so the "loudness" of our radio waves is irrelevant.

Oh my goodness. Please tell me you're only 13 years old or so. The radio wave is just like any other light wave. Though you can't see it, the broadcast off the Earth is brighter then the radio waves produced by the rest of the galaxy. Irrelevent? What the heck do you think all the searchers are looking for? Flashlights?

Not to mention, who's to say that an alien civilization would even be monitoring for radio waves? Maybe they're so advanced they don't bother with such an inferior technology, and instead use something stronger or faster.

You must not understand anything about the laws of large numbers. Keeping it simple, the fact is that humans went from stone tools to radio waves in a hundred thousand years. The age of the universe is on the 15 billion year range or so. If you consider the current estimates of 200 billion billion potential systems out there, don't you think at least a couple of planets out there would use radio waves?

They could be broadcasting at a frequency or using a method we aren't even aware of it. Or maybe they haven't even reached the basic radio level yet.

The method is irrelevent. The frequency is everything. Radio waves are in the best position of the electromagnetic spectrum to broadcast information over long distances. Microwaves and visible light can't penetrate solid objects. XRays and Gamma rays are damaging and expensive to produce (though we'd see an xray source if an alien civilization were using them).

The label of 'intelligent life' doesn't apply only to modern day humans; it also covers our early ancestors who were making primitive cave drawings and using the most basic of stone tools, and probably couldn't even imagine some of the things we have today, as well as another group of primates, the chimpanzee.

Once again, take some time and look up the laws of large numbers. Perhaps reading Carl Seagan Cosmos would be of benifit to you.

Also, there is no way a space probe could cover the universe a hundred times over, even if it was travelling for "tens of thousands of years" as you put it. A galaxy? Possibly. I'm not going to bother with the math on that one, lol.

Its pretty clear you don't understand the math. Thats why I am hoping you will learn.

There are at least 100 billion galaxies, each with approximately 1 billion stars.

There are hundreds of billions of stars in a galaxy.

Even travelling at the speed of light, this would take a ridiculous amount of time.

You just don't get it. Do you know what an airport hub is? Planes land and fly off in different directions. They land at a different hub and then take off from different directions again. This is not a linear equation. Even using the slow rockets we have now, we could populate the entire galaxy (if there are planets to hold us) in several million year. That is a drop in the bucket to the age of the universe. Yet, we see no signs that anyone has done that. Nor do we see any signs that anyone has done it in another galaxy.

The universe is at least 156 billion light-years wide, based on this study. And like i said, that's if you're travelling at the speed of light. Now take into account that radio waves and the like travel nowhere near as fast as light does, and you can start to see how hard it would be for humans to make contact with another culture somewhere in our own galaxy, let alone one in another galaxy, or in a distant corner of the universe.

I know all this is within the same post, but I hope you never get into logistics. I should just list off the topics you need a lot more study in, but suffice it to say that space is not a straight line. The universe is not 156 billion light years across. If it were, then the universe would have to be 156 billion years old and the laws of large numbers would still be in play and there would be an entire factor more to deal with.

It takes a looooooooong, looooong time for things to travel in space, even if a civilization is more advanced than ours. Aside from travelling at light speed, the only way (theoretically, at least) to travel quickly across the galaxy, is through a wormhole. Assuming these do exist, an alien culture would have to be sophisticated enough to not only find one, but also intelligent enough to use it properly.

This is the kind of thinking that leads to wild speculations. It takes a long time as you say, but remember, there has been a long time to do it.

The odds are in favor of there being life out there somewhere. Whether it ever advances to the point we're at now, or is ever able to contact us, who knows? They/it could be wondering the same thing. And what that lifeform might look like, that's anybody's guess, and using your wildest imagination certainly wouldn't hurt in this department. Just take a look at all the varied types of animals we have living on land. Now factor in all the life forms that live in the oceans, some of which live in environments that were once thought to be completely inhospitable to life (deep sea vents, for example). But in fact, life flourishes in those environments. Life adapts to whatever conditions are present. Life elsewhere in the universe may look somewhat familiar to us, or it could look like nothing anyone has ever imagined.

It would be fantastic to find some life someplace else. The reality is that there is no evidence or reasoning that puts any out there. Nobody - not the smartest people in the world have devised a process or equation that would lead to intelligent life existing anyplace in the universe. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but its a whole lot more then just guesswork.

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by leadfootGTP

the SUN (bright thinngy in the sky ) is a star, bud, about .02 light years away i believe i donno, 7 days is the number ive been hearing as far as light from the sun reachnig us so i figure thats at least close

FYI - about eight minutes.

[leadfootGTP]

yeah 8 min your right


we did find evidence of microscopic life on mars, fossilised, but still. Humans and other modern day intelligent life evolved from unicellular life on our own planet, so considering that there was at one time flowing water on mars it is very possible that life couldve bloomed on that planet as well had the resources not been whiped out by enviornmental factors. This alone obviously doesnt say much about the entire universe, as mars and earth are very close to each other when you think in terms of the entire universe. But considering that we know that many other planets far outside of our solar system have the exact same elements that we have on earth (not necessarily all of them, or mabe even more than us, but elements such as sulfur exist on on planets throughout the universe in the exact form which exists on earth, so i believe that it is very possible for other planets to have conditions capable of supporting life, and it is possible that life would actualy come to exist on those planets, especialy given the time frame. Life could have blossomed and evolved millions of years beond us, and been whiped out before the first sign of life on our own planet.

edit: after reading it i just want to clairify that i do not believe that there is definately life outside or our planet, just that there is a possibility for intelligent life outside of earth.