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07-15-2004, 08:33 PM
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Beginner seeking advise
I am a newbie and I'm interested in Sport-touring bikes. I already registared for the Safty course and I'm taking it this month. To understand my problem, let me state my stats. I'm 24 yrs. old, 6'4 230lbs. I just got back from a dealer. I sat on a few bikes there and the only one there that fit me and felt comfortable was a Kawasaki (spl) ZZR 1200. Now I know that this is way too much power for a beginner but I couldn't find any bikes 600cc or less that would fit me to practice on. Any advice for someone my size? Also, what do you think about the ZZR 1200. In your opinion, is this a good bike for someone my size after I gain experience?
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07-15-2004, 11:17 PM
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http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=256170
Sidenote: an Early 90s 600s, most likely CBR600 F2/F3 would be more than appropriate for you. In case you think your stature is suited for more than 600s: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=250255
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07-15-2004, 11:51 PM
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Re: Beginner seeking advise
he is looking for a sport tourer... not a sportbike. so no, the F2/3 would not be right for him. check out the goldwings i would say... yeah, they are big, but they are deffently not fast. if you can overcome the weight on them, or any other cruser, i dont think the size will matter much. they are not built to go fast like the Sport-bikes are. i have a freind with both an older Goldwing (88ish) and a 2004 meanstreak. even the 1600cc meanstreak is easy for me to drive. i only have about 3 months seat time in a bike so... i am going to vote size doesn't matter for crusing bikes. your only consideration should be weight... if you dont know anything about a bike that is a diff story. but otherwise (assuming you know how to shift and are profecient in turning and so forth) just get what you want.
Edit::::: meanstreak or meansteet? the kawasaki(sp) one... /Edit::::
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07-16-2004, 06:16 AM
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he claimed he's a newbie, assuming he's a new rider, even if he had previous MX experience. so you wanna send him to a 1600CC just because he mentioned sport tourer? hell, even the Busa is a sport tourer. all the bikes I mentioned are either sport tourer or good training bikes. with the exceptions of F2/F3, in regard of his stature.
Deion, it's also good to look at streetbikes/cruisers below 600 CC.
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07-16-2004, 07:42 AM
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Thanks for all of your advise. Its great to have someone else to seek advise from other than a salesperson. My taste is leaning more toward a sportbike. I sat on a busa but, I felt more comfortable on a ZZR 1200 because it sat higher. I never even concidered the CBR600's in the early 90's. I always assumed those bikes were too small. I'll check out some of those.
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07-16-2004, 08:02 AM
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 seriously, stay away from 1 liter bikes of any kind at this stage. and certainly stay away from Busa, unless you have a death wish.  good luck though.
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07-16-2004, 01:39 PM
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Re: Beginner seeking advise
hehe, you better stay away from the busa lol. that is a sportbike!! he said the Sport-Tourers. not even close to the same bikes. my personal fav for the crusers is the BMW bikes. they are great from what i hear, and they say BMW hehe, cant beat that. the busa is NOT a touring bike dude. its a sportbike.
and i OWN a early 90s CBR... i am 5'10 and 190Ibs. at 6'4 he might be a little bit cramped. 230 is not that big of a deal though; especially not for his size (height). but Deion24 if you are interested in the Touring bikes and not the Rockets then the CBR is deff not for you. thats just my thoughts though. only problem i see with the large crusers is weight... their 'power' is just not an issue... the 1600cc meanstreet is acctually slower than my 600cc CBR, dont know acctuall times, but i beat my freind on his in a strait line from a redlight... not the most sientific prof i know, but if you want to dig up acctual numbers go ahead. it will be close i am sure.
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07-16-2004, 03:06 PM
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A good first Sport Touring bike
My vote for a good starter would be a good used late model Honda PC800 Pacific Coast. I've had mine since 1989 and it still serves the purpose well. Not too big, enough power but not too much. Another good choice would be the Kawasaki Concours, probably the best deal in a turn key mid weight touring bike around. Over 20 years of production and development, climb on and go anywhere in the world.
 Paul in San Jose
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#10
07-16-2004, 04:26 PM
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hey deion, are you planning on keeping this bike or just learning. I'm 6'4 and 210lbs and learnt on a sports 250 before going to a GSXR750 and now a 954. start low and work up but read the previous threads on first bikes.
if you start on a larger bike you are more likely to stuff up. older bikes will be slightly larger and slower than new ones so try the cbr's. the older ones tend to be less track and more tourer by todays standards. the new cbr600rr is the same physical dimensions as my old 250. dont assume larger is better. it could be a fatal mistake
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07-16-2004, 04:57 PM
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Re: Beginner seeking advise
i dont agree that people should start with a 250cc... there is no reason you can not start on a 600cc safely. i did and i am fine, i didn't drive dirtbikes before or anything like that. i only knew how to shift mine becuase of my ATV lol. you just cant go out and push it, and if you are the type of person who cant have something and not use it to its limits (or yours...) and if that is your reason for buying a 250cc then you shouldn't own a bike anyway; you are going to get killed.
i vote older 600cc bike if you are getting a rocket, as long as you can respect it. thats my .
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07-16-2004, 05:10 PM
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oh lordy. in australia we have power to weight limits for learners. although i was uncomfortable for 18 months while learning, i believe it was a good thing. i learnt to appreciate how deady traffic can be and on a bike with roughly the same acceleration as a WRX, i was into some dangerous situations quickly. a larger bike can get you into the f@#k up zone alot quicker. high speed track days are alot safer than traffic.
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07-16-2004, 08:11 PM
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Re: Re: Beginner seeking advise
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07-16-2004, 11:23 PM
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Re: Re: Beginner seeking advise
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 are rockets?? He already said he wants a sportbike. Ya, most deff yo.  Quote:
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07-17-2004, 11:45 AM
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what about....
you might find that a honda interceptor (early 90's era) might be a decent bike to start on, its a 750, but has a pretty good seating postion. my friends dad used to have one and he's a pretty big guy.
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