Part 4: N/A or Forced Induction

[CivSiGuy]

Here's the rundown so far:
$20,000 to start

1997 EX Coupe $4350
Title transfer and other expenses $150
CR-VTEC complete swap $4000

we have $11,500 and 4 money spending stages after this


Well, we have our CRVTEC, now are we gonna build it n/a or are we gonna go with turbo/supercharger w/ nos?

It's your decision, choose wisely. Don't forget to post as much info as you can including dyno, pricing, and website information.

Good luck

[CivSiGuy]

This is how the motor is..

b20 block, b16 head, b17 crank, CTR cams, JE rods and pistons @ 9.5:1 compression.

GSR transmission


ok.. go to it guys!

[Rice-Rocketeer]

I don't know man. 11 grand left and we haven't addressed braking system, cooling system, aftermarket engine add ons, exterior work including paint and rims, interior add ons including possible vyniling, bad ass suspension system, or ICE.

A good turbo/super system will cost $3000-$4000 plus labor and extras which will leave us with 7grand for everything I mentioned. Yeah Right.

I say we give it a 100 shot of nitrous for $500 and save money for the rest of the stuff. We haven't even started.

[Swonder67]

Originally posted by Rice-Rocketeer

I say we give it a 100 shot of nitrous for $500 and save money for the rest of the stuff. We haven't even started.

I would much rather have the extra power "on tap" as oppose to a nitrous set up. I say go for a good NA set up. Although, Rocketeer is right about money issue.

[CivSiGuy]

Originally posted by Rice-Rocketeer
I don't know man. 11 grand left and we haven't addressed braking system, cooling system, aftermarket engine add ons, exterior work including paint and rims, interior add ons including possible vyniling, bad ass suspension system, or ICE.

bam.. someone caught it early

[jdpaine]

come on, why not Forced Induction? More power, less money. Almost like Nitrous....but continuous

[SRHguru]

I don't know man. 11 grand left and we haven't addressed braking system, cooling system, aftermarket engine add ons, exterior work including paint and rims, interior add ons including possible vyniling, bad ass suspension system, or ICE.

Well, Vynling and ICE is a waste of money when operating on a limited budget.
Also, The compression on the engine is low already, so, FI may work be a good route to take! IMO anyways.
However, building a bad ass N/A car is sweet!

[ric]

if the money was available i would deffinatly try and follow what thins guy did

http://www.turbomagazine.com/archive...ivicunrest.jsp


but sijnce we are on a budget and putting together a custom turbo kits would eat a lot of that up i have no choice in the matter then to say
either of these two

option a)
a vortech supercharger. with the added displacement of the cr/vtec over the standard b16 i could imagine this would be one mean son of a bitch...

option b)
an drag gen 3 turbo system for a b18c. not an fmax anymore because i have come to not like thier fuel computer or the 5th injector add on ...i really dont wanna get into it so i'll leave it at that.


only problem i have these is those piece of shit boost dependant rising rate fuel pressure regulators. look i dont know about you but when im hitting full boost the last thing i wanna keep my eye on is the fuel pressure gauge thats about to hit the hundreds in pressure, its just not safe nor is it the best thing for injector life. and the last thing you want is injector failure.......on top of the vortech or drag i would get a pms engine management unit and some bigger injectors...440's or so. the cool thing about the pms is it retains the stock ecu and modifies the signals after they have left the ecu not incoming like most piggybacks like the vafc. its only about 800$ and comes with some decent features like injector pulswidth control yadda yadda yadda. alot of the prelude guys with SH's are looking at these because you can retain all accessories like atts with it since it only post modifies stock ecu signals. plus its upgradable from its basic form to a much better version that is up there with the rest of the emu's. i think it would be a worthwhile investment. oh and lets not forget no matter what we are going to need a new clutch.....and a limited slip differential would be nice. and if we get the drag a tial wastegate rather then the deltagate.


pms's website
http://www.efisystems.com/pms.htm

a comprehensive site about the pms from an rx7 owner
http://www.efisystems.com/pms.htm

injectors injectors injectors
http://www.rceng.com/
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vortech option
vortech supercharger 4000.00$
pms 899.00$
rc 440cc injectors 85.26$ a piece (from import parts but sure we could get it cheaper)
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drag turbo option
drag turbo kit 3,199.95 (from import parts but sure we could get it cheaper)
pms 899.00$
rc 440cc injectors 85.26$ a piece (from import parts but sure we could get it cheaper)

frankly the only reason i think i would do the vortech over the drag turbo is the fact that i have never seen a cr/vtec vortech turbo before in my life. other then that the drag wins in every catagory.

[ric]

not to mention with that turbo setup you can easily push 1.5 bar and be in the 11's or 12's.

so 4 grand ok lets make it 4400 cause i forgot about the radiator so add another 400 for a fluidyne.

and 7 grand is plenty to work with for suspension, braking and ice. at least in my world it is.

[nemesls_2000]

with a turbocharger!!
Found one for $3195 shipped. It comes w/ Garret T04/03 turbocharger, custom header & downpipe, chrome front mount intercooler & turbo piping, High flow bosche fuel pump, Vortech fuel mgmt unit, Greddy blow-off valve, bypass valves, and all necessary plumbing. Found it at www.cnw.com/~redline/HondaDragTurbo.htm
After you get this you shouldn't have any problem finding a bunch of sponsors!!!

[nemesls_2000]

Oh yeah, plus you HAVE to throw on that 100 shot of NOS!!! Couldn't find the prices for the Turbo NOS kits though.

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by SRHguru
Well, Vynling and ICE is a waste of money when operating on a limited budget.

ICE is a waste of money? Let's turbo charge it, strip the interior, put a 10 point cage and spend the rest on engine stuff.

I think I'm gonna say this atleast twice per thread. We are building the ultimate civic in EVERY aspect. We're not building a race car, or a show car. We're building a little of both and we can't sacrifice one area for another. The ultimate civic needs entertainment and it won't be a factory cassette player.

We've already spent and going to spend more money on the engine than anything else on the car. A built bottom end with perfect R/S ratio and some possible fuel and spark upgrades and no money left? What's the best option?

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by i like naked girls
and 7 grand is plenty to work with for suspension, braking and ice. at least in my world it is.

Alright let's think.

$1000 rims and tires: $6000
$700 for a body kit: $5300
$500 for misc. exterior items $4800
$2000 for springs, shocks, camber kit, sway bars, and strut bars: $2800
$500 for cooling system: $2300
$600 for braking system: $1700
The rest goes for ICE

We still haven't installed or painted the body kit......And frankly a bunch of other shit I can't think of right now cause I have bigger things on my mind but it's cutting it awfully close.

I'll be back after I deal with the knots in my head.

[ric]

rims tires and suspension no more then 2500

that leaves 4 grand or so for ice and shit

i think thats acceptable

[CivSiGuy]

Originally posted by Rice-Rocketeer
$700 for a body kit:

fuk dem kitz yo, jdm is da way ta go wit da lips dat ownz j00!




seriously, I'd rather just save the kit and do a couple lips. Way cheaper to paint and sets up thats sleeper look.

and go with that turbo that nemesls_2000 posted or a Vortech supercharger