Gunze's method for a smooth gloss finish? Translations needed!

[shieldwulf]

I just bought a Japanese book covering the range of Japanese hobby tools, paint and accessories. Even though I don't know Japanese, it has tons of photos that are well worth it.

However, there is one section whereby I think will be of vital interest to you guys. It is a 9-photo section on how to achieve a perfectly smooth gloss when painting a model car body. It has to do with Gunze's Mr Retarder Mild and Color Leveling Thinner. I don't know for sure, but it just might improve everyone's quest for that perfect smooth finish?!

Unfortunately, I'm not able to guess exactly what it says, and if anyone is able to translate the accompanying texts for each of the 9 photo-steps, I think it may greatly benefit everyone of us here!

Here is a scan of that page of the book.
http://www.toycube.com/gallery/hobby/nomoken1.jpg

If you are able to translate from Japanese to English, please post within this thread for the benefit of all AF scale modellers. I really hope something beneficial can come out of this. Thanks!

[Fkouch]

Originally Posted by shieldwulf

I just bought a Japanese book covering the range of Japanese hobby tools, paint and accessories. Even though I don't know Japanese, it has tons of photos that are well worth it.

However, there is one section whereby I think will be of vital interest to you guys. It is a 9-photo section on how to achieve a perfectly smooth gloss when painting a model car body. It has to do with Gunze's Mr Retarder Mild and Color Leveling Thinner. I don't know for sure, but it just might improve everyone's quest for that perfect smooth finish?!

Unfortunately, I'm not able to guess exactly what it says, and if anyone is able to translate the accompanying texts for each of the 9 photo-steps, I think it may greatly benefit everyone of us here!

Here is a scan of that page of the book.
http://www.toycube.com/stuff/nomo-ken1.jpg

If you are able to translate from Japanese to English, please post within this thread for the benefit of all AF scale modellers. I really hope something beneficial can come out of this. Thanks!

Ok this is just a guess, but I've heard of a technique where you spray a fine layer of thinner over your paint job. This melts the paint slightly and as it dries again it smooths out. I'm sure someone on this board uses this technique.

However I'm probably way off and it just explains how to get a good wetcoat.

Cheers

Farrokh

[flyonthewall]

Originally Posted by Fkouch

Ok this is just a guess, but I've heard of a technique where you spray a fine layer of thinner over your paint job. This melts the paint slightly and as it dries again it smooths out. I'm sure someone on this board uses this technique.

However I'm probably way off and it just explains how to get a good wetcoat.

Cheers

Farrokh

Either that or it was added to the paint first.

Got one of these books on the way from HS, they look very interesting. Someone should translate to English and make a mint.

[TanKaBoY]

i think its
1. primar then sand
2. a light coat of the colour
3. then another coat of the colour
4. another coat of the colour
5. (same as 4)
6. sand it with fine sand paper
7. (the result)
8. (use these things for 9)
9. the final result

[malsheem]

Originally Posted by shieldwulf

I just bought a Japanese book covering the range of Japanese hobby tools, paint and accessories. Even though I don't know Japanese, it has tons of photos that are well worth it.

However, there is one section whereby I think will be of vital interest to you guys. It is a 9-photo section on how to achieve a perfectly smooth gloss when painting a model car body. It has to do with Gunze's Mr Retarder Mild and Color Leveling Thinner. I don't know for sure, but it just might improve everyone's quest for that perfect smooth finish?!

Mr. Retarder Mild just slows down the drying of the paint so it gives it more of a chance to even itself out, reducing orange peel. You add this to Mr. Color Thinner and then to the color. Mr. Color Leveling Thinner is just Mr. Color Thinner with Mr. Retarder Mild mixed into it. I've used them and it works good. Takes time to get used to (like all paint techniques)

[shieldwulf]

Originally Posted by malsheem

Mr. Retarder Mild just slows down the drying of the paint so it gives it more of a chance to even itself out, reducing orange peel. You add this to Mr. Color Thinner and then to the color. Mr. Color Leveling Thinner is just Mr. Color Thinner with Mr. Retarder Mild mixed into it. I've used them and it works good. Takes time to get used to (like all paint techniques)

1) If I use Mr Color Leveling Thinner, I don't require Mr Retarder Mild?
2) Can I spray Mr Color Leveling Thinner to a finished spray paint job to smoothen it out? (the "thinner technique" mentioned above).

[malsheem]

Originally Posted by shieldwulf

1) If I use Mr Color Leveling Thinner, I don't require Mr Retarder Mild?
2) Can I spray Mr Color Leveling Thinner to a finished spray paint job to smoothen it out? (the "thinner technique" mentioned above).

1. No you don't require it, unless you want an even slower drying time (adding Mr. Retarder to Mr. Color Leveling). Personally, I just use Mr. Color Thinner and add as much Mr. Retarder as I feel is needed.

2. Never tried it myself, but have heard of people using this technique.

[Porsnatic]

Hey my friend,where you got this book?,can I get another one?,how much it cost?....I've been looking it for a while!




Thanks!

Originally Posted by shieldwulf

I just bought a Japanese book covering the range of Japanese hobby tools, paint and accessories. Even though I don't know Japanese, it has tons of photos that are well worth it.

However, there is one section whereby I think will be of vital interest to you guys. It is a 9-photo section on how to achieve a perfectly smooth gloss when painting a model car body. It has to do with Gunze's Mr Retarder Mild and Color Leveling Thinner. I don't know for sure, but it just might improve everyone's quest for that perfect smooth finish?!

Unfortunately, I'm not able to guess exactly what it says, and if anyone is able to translate the accompanying texts for each of the 9 photo-steps, I think it may greatly benefit everyone of us here!

Here is a scan of that page of the book.
http://www.toycube.com/stuff/nomo-ken1.jpg

If you are able to translate from Japanese to English, please post within this thread for the benefit of all AF scale modellers. I really hope something beneficial can come out of this. Thanks!

[Porsnatic]

Where you got this book?,can I got another copy?,what's the title of the book?


Thanks!

Originally Posted by flyonthewall

Either that or it was added to the paint first.

Got one of these books on the way from HS, they look very interesting. Someone should translate to English and make a mint.

[Porsnatic]

[What you mean that it take some time to get use to?,please,I'm starting to use them and would like to use them right!..could you explain the procedure?



QUOTE=malsheem]Mr. Retarder Mild just slows down the drying of the paint so it gives it more of a chance to even itself out, reducing orange peel. You add this to Mr. Color Thinner and then to the color. Mr. Color Leveling Thinner is just Mr. Color Thinner with Mr. Retarder Mild mixed into it. I've used them and it works good. Takes time to get used to (like all paint techniques)[/quote]

[hirofkd]

This tells you only a part of the whole story.
Anyway...

1)
In order to achieve a smooth and glossy surface, its roughness has to be minimal. The most important thing is the body preparation. After spraying the primer, smooth out bumps with a fine sand paper.
2)
A glossy finish requires paint to be applied a bit thick. Spray along the grooves first. This way, paint won't run when the rest of the body is painted.
3)
After a while, cover the entire body. Keep rotating the part and slowly spray paint. When the paint becomes shiny, stop spraying. If you spray too much, paint will run, so make sure to stop just before it start running.
4)
The surface is glossy as desired. However, when paint dries, it shrinks, causing fine bumps to build up on the surface, so it doesn't look quite mirror-like. To go beyond this point, clear coat and polishing is necessary.

5)
Failure. The surface is coarse, because of the texture left while spraying. It's glossy, but not smooth.

6)
Once the surface becomes rough, it won't be smooth no matter how many layers of paint you add. To fix this, use sand paper. Don't sand too much near the edges, or you will expose the primer.
7)
The surface is somewhat smooth, but it's hazy and not quite glossy. This is so-called "fog." In a humid day, paint absorbs moisture, resulting in this example. Avoid spraying gloss colors in a humid day.
8)
The left is retarder, and the right is Leveling Thinner - the thinner with regarder. These will slow down the drying time of paint, minimizing the bumps on the surface. Recommended for all gloss paints.
9)
Repainted with the paint with retarder. You can see how it affected. In this example, it was possible to repaint the body, because the color was solid, but once clear is fogged, you can't fix it. When using clear, pay extra attention to avoid it.

[owlmodel]

Thanks For Your Translation, Cool Man!

[shieldwulf]

Originally Posted by Porsnatic

Where you got this book?,can I got another copy?,what's the title of the book?


Thanks!

The book is published by Hobby Japan, which I bought at a Kinokuniya bookstore in Singapore. The ISBN is 4-89425-301-1 and title is "NOMOKEN". Total 162 pages, except the table of contents page and credits page (2 pages total), the rest of every page in the book is loaded with tons of full colour photos. All is in colour. Each and every instruction is illustrated by a photo with accompanied text. Be forewarned that everything is in Japanese. If its in English, it would probably have knocked the socks off any existing English hobby tools and modelling techniques book available as of current.

[shieldwulf]

[quote=hirofkd]This tells you only a part of the whole story.
Anyway...

QUOTE]

Thank you very much for your translation!

[malsheem]

Originally Posted by Porsnatic

What you mean that it take some time to get use to?,please,I'm starting to use them and would like to use them right!..could you explain the procedure?

Test different ratios of thinner/retarder mixture. Depending on your painting style, you might want your paint drying slower or faster. Practice makes perfect. Start with no retarder. See what that is like. Then just add little amounts. Spray. Repeat. Spray. Until you find a good mix for you.