B16 V.s B18 V.s H22

[dyablo15]

Which engine do you recomend for a 88' crx
And wich one is the fastest

[SiZ]

You know what I'm going to say.

If you don't B16.

I'll make it quick and simple. B16s are cheap, and super-good platforms for building a quick 4G. Make sure you get a good transmission. YS1 with an LSD is prime, or a S1/J1 will do the trick too. HAsport makes a kit now that allows you to use a newer hydraulic transmission on older cars, so you could even pick up an LSD equipped newer hydro tranny and do the swap with that.

B18 is a nice motor. B18C is even nicer than a B16A, but a lot more money. B18a/b are a good strong motor with lots of torque, but relativley low HP numbers. If you're not planning on boosting its probably a lot cheaper to build a fast B16A than B18a/b. And if you're going to boost low amounts I still think the B16 will be faster.

H22 is a heavy swap that requires quite an amount of work to do to get in. I'm not too sure if anyone makes a mount kit for it yet, but I don't think so. Your car would be quick as fVck, but for all the work invovled I'd still scratch it off the list. If you had a 92-00 Civic then I would be saying differently, but as far as old Civics go, its just a little too big I think.

There's going to be about 5 guys jumping at me because I said B16A over B18a/b but thats just the way that it goes. Do searches on Honda-Tech.com that topic has been discussed over and over and over and over. (here too)

A lot of people are opting to to NA builds now becuase they're not so expensive and involved as boosted setups, and the B16A makes it nice. After basic bolt ons (I/H/E/Type-R cams/R intake manifold, etc.) you're going to have a decently quick car with not too many mods done to it. To me, the next logical step seems to be build a bigger block (over a period of time for me, because I'm poor) and just rock out on the stock 1.6 block for the time being. Lots of people swap B18a/b blocks, GSR, ITR, and CRV to get more power. Sure, if you had a B18 or something like that you'd just need to build the head, but the block is what needs to be built up for LS/CRVTEC swaps. And then once the block is ready, if you've already got the B16A in there the wiring is already there for you.

Bah, thats it for now.. Just waiting for 100 people to get angry about something I said....

[girlsrace2]

Did Siz just say that b16a has lots of torque? Then why do they call it the "Torqueless Wonder" My sohc vtec has 5 less ft/lbs than a b16a. Im not a fan of the B16's. If you want to go B series I like LS motors!

[SiZ]

I've never said it had lots of torque, but I've never called it a torqueless wonder either. People who say that about B16s are people who've never driven one about 99% of the time. They're just people who are internet racers, who race numbers that they find online.

Say what you will about it being a 1.6L, it makes more than adequate HP to make up for the lack of torque.
An LS motor has 14 more lbs-ft of torque than a B16, but 20 less HP. And the way the tranny is geared you won't even notice having less HP in the low rev range because you're always above 6500 when you're racing anyway.

[91CRXHF]

im personally building a B18 for turbo and its costin me out the ass for it but thats what i wanted but if you wanted to i would say go LS/vtec it is prolly your best bet for HP and TQ if you got the cash but if not then find a B18A1 at a yard or even build a D16 up if you want something easy then the D will bolt right in no new mounts no new tranny and 126 HP with the D16Z6 which is prolly your cheapest swap

[amy@af]

the ls is good and all if you want to add vtec. but if you are talking just going b18a/b vs. b16, i would go b16.

i dunno, the b18b strikes me as a ZC with more torque.

ZC
Power: 137 bhp @ 6800
Redline: 7200 rpm
108 lb-ft @ 5700

B18B1
140 hp @ 6300
Redline: 6800 rpm
121 lb-ft @ 5200

according to honda hybrid http://tech.hybridgarage.com/tech/specs.htm

[travagliante]

I believe place racing makes a half as* weld in kit for the h22a into a 88-91 chasis. But its like 400-450 and i heard its not really good. b16 or b18 whatever u want they are both good in their own way!

[frostee]

If you wanna drag, then i believe it's the h22, but you want to autoX, then it's the b16, just my opinion.....

[Jetts]

might as well do the k series motor!

[90civicracer]

I agree, k20a2...acura rsx-s motor.

[Setanta]

Pricewise: B18C > B16A or B20/B16 hybrid.
If you have the money then K20 or K24 with K20 head
Forget the H22 - it's too big and heavy for an ED and from what I've seen requires cutting into the crossmembers.

BTW - anyone who says a B16 is torqueless doesn't understand the torque/hp relationship and shouldn't be trusted with a spanner. See the FAQ thread for why - they just dont understand the design principal of a B16A/B18C motor compared to a D series.

[bambam89lx]

An LS motor has 14 more lbs-ft of torque than a B16, but 20 less HP.

That's a little off, the b18b has 16 more ft-lbs of torque than a b16 and 18 less HP.
But, I've seen both dynoed stock and the b16a seems to lose alot more HP through the drivetrain as compared to the B18. The b16 is usually dynoed at 115-118 WHP whereas the B18 is usually dynoed at 118-125 WHP.

the b18b has 142 HP and 127 TQ Ratings. The B16A has 160 HP and 111 TQ. I'm personally a fan of the B18. If both motors had an ls tranny attached to it, the B18 would win. The only reason that the b16a might be a hair faster is because of its closed geared tranny as opposed to an ls's longer geared tranny. If one hatch had a b18b and another hatch had a b16a but both hatches were running the b16a tranny, the b18 hatch would win.
Theoretically, if you could race engine vs. engine (no tranny or vehicle involved), the b18 would win.
It also depends on what ur plans are. I would not boost on a b16a. For 2 reasons: the b16 is not capable of handling as much boost as a b18 and the b16 tranny is not good for turbo. The b16 is nice if ur going all motor but if you wanna go turbo, i say get the b18. I got my b18b with 80k on it for 450. Not bad if u ask me. I can't wait to smoke some b16 powered hatches/rexes.

[frostee]

I was just wondering.... has anyone been successful in dropping a K-series motor into a 4g chassis yet? or even a 5g? If so, I would like some info or would like to see some pix, if possible, instructions would be awesome. I've heard of civics with K-motors but have never really seen one....

[bambam89lx]

there was a red one on ebay for sale not to long ago for i think 7500. It looked good. I'd rather have a k than an H anyday.

[Jetts]

Originally Posted by 90civicracer

I agree, k20a2...acura rsx-s motor.

word!