Civic Hatchback w/ H22

[Joseph1082]

What would a 95 Civic hatch w/ an H22 run? I am purchasing an LS1 Camaro and plan on racing somebody w/ one real soon. He is an asshole and thinks him and his civic are untouchable. With all due respect I would think an LS1 corvette motor could pretty much handle any civic with any stock engine. I know the Honda forum is going to of course say the Civic, but keep in mind I am looking for honest answers from respected enthusiasts and not the usual forum propoganda, and will appreciate the first. Thanks a lot.

[CivicSpoon]

I've seen an H22 Civic in very low 14's (quarter mile) in a 96 hb before. And my friend has one in his 95 4dr; think his best was around 14.5 with LSD, cold air intake, header; on a cold ass night.
Personally I have no idea who'd win. I don't know how much hp the LS1 has, so I have nothing to base an opinion on.

[jcrx]

If he knows how to drive, and his motor is installed right and running well, you will have a very hard time shutting him up. H22 hatchs are very capable of low 13's high 12' with very few mods.

[travagliante]

sorry but you would get ur ass kicked. My friend has a h22a in his 96 accord, and he can beat camaros, mustangs, firebirds, and a shit load of fast cars. His engine was dynoed at like 245 hp so good luck. Plus he isnt that good of a driver. He even kicked my ass in my other friends turbo(11lbs??) b18a. and i am a good driver.

[travagliante]

Originally Posted by Joseph1082

With all due respect I would think an LS1 corvette motor could pretty much handle any civic with any stock engine. .

h22s are not anything near stock. There from a prelude. And stock is nothing near this so dont bet money cause ur gonna get ur ass handed to you!

[jcrx]

Originally Posted by travagliante

sorry but you would get ur ass kicked. My friend has a h22a in his 96 accord, and he can beat camaros, mustangs, firebirds, and a shit load of fast cars. His engine was dynoed at like 245 hp so good luck. Plus he isnt that good of a driver. He even kicked my ass in my other friends turbo(11lbs??) b18a. and i am a good driver.

BULL-fuckin'-SHIT.

An Accord is a FAR cry from a hatch weight wise, and even in a hatch an h22A isn't going to slaughter any V8, beat sure, but not by bus lengths or anything.

[travagliante]

i never said the cars were v8s?

Plus eveything in the car is stripped out. Plus the bumper reinforcements in the front and back were too. ( i dunno why hed take them out thouhg)

[jcrx]

When you say "Camaros, Mustangs, Firebirds and shitloads of other fast cars" what do you expect people to assume? And the V6 and fourbanger versions of all those cars suck ass, so who cares anyway.

[Miataracer]

Originally Posted by jcrx

When you say "Camaros, Mustangs, Firebirds and shitloads of other fast cars" what do you expect people to assume? And the V6 and fourbanger versions of all those cars suck ass, so who cares anyway.

The words have been taken out of my mouth.

Yesterday I raced an F4 Phantom fighter and won. It was on display at the airport, propped up on metal supports with no jet engine.

[Joseph1082]

I knew this would start a firce debate... just for the record, his HB is pretty much the one in the above post's picture, only red. He has no weight reduction as of yet (back seats etc all still in) and I said stock because it is still a factory spec aka stock H22 (I know he has not modded it cause he could barely afford the swap as it is). The only thing he might have is exhaust because that was on his car when it still had a b16. I have heard that stock non-modded h22s dyno at 210 or something like that, but i don't really know, that is why I am asking the Honda forum. But just to let you guys know, the LS1, the V8 found in a $40,000+ sports car (corvette, but not Z06) was rated at 350hp. The same engine in the Camaro was rated at 310HP. Now this is obviously an under-rating because even with super-restrictive intake/exhaust, accessory drain, etc, you could not rob this engine of 40HP. Right from the factory they dyno at about 300 at the wheels (you can ask in the camaro forum if you wish confirmation), which is about 330 at the fly, which makes more sense in comparison to the vette. I plan to do intake, exhaust, and pullies right away, but don't even take that into acount, I still don't see him slaughtering me. The Camaro weighs someone around 3300lb, what does the HB? 2500lb? So you guys tell me

[jcrx]

The hatch in my sig weighs 2045ish, and with a H22 will run constant low 13's.

[Joseph1082]

Tell me more about yours???

[kidrocket]

i think you should win.. although ive seen some street driven hatches running 12s/11s with H22s, a stock H22 in a hatch should be quick, but not THAT quick. LS1s can hit 12s bone stock. its rare, but it happens. look for low 13s stock

[Joseph1082]

Hey, kidrocket, thanks for the realism. I haven't even bought the car yet (put down a deposit) but I doubt I can break into 12s, I guess I'll fall into those low 13s. BTW my opponent is most likely a better stick driver than me (he has way longer experience). Can you guys give me some numbers for a hatch w an H22, HP? TQ? 1/4?

[H22AccordEx]

I've got a JDM h22 in my 91 accord but i haven't taken it to the track yet to see what it'll do. I also haven't raced any LS1 cameros but im guessing you'll take him off the start because you'll have quite a bit more tq but once he hits 3rd gear he'll probably start pulling on you. I bet it'll be a good race..and theres my 2 cents