turbo?

[integratool666]

how much would it cost to turbo an acura integra ls - meaning - before you put the turbo on - what types of internal mods would you NEED to do first or any other mods would you need to do to ensure reliability for it. it would be daily driven - raced on weekends. and i can't figure out the pros and cons of supercharging or turbocharging it too - if you could break it down to simple terms - that would be cool - thanks

[HTRtech]

Originally Posted by integratool666

how much would it cost to turbo an acura integra ls - meaning - before you put the turbo on - what types of internal mods would you NEED to do first or any other mods would you need to do to ensure reliability for it. it would be daily driven - raced on weekends. and i can't figure out the pros and cons of supercharging or turbocharging it too - if you could break it down to simple terms - that would be cool - thanks

How many miles does your LS engine have on it?

If it is low then the internal mods are not immediately necessary. What kind of power do you want out of your car when you are racing it and will you truly be sticking to racing only on the weekends?? You can keep it reliable by not abusing the turbo kit or power. Keeping the boost turned down when you are not racing is a good way to maintain the engine and still get reasonable gas mileage. Maybe some precaution could be taken in resleeving the pistons and replacing some gaskets. An intercooler or at least upgrading the oil cooler will also help the engine taking on forced induction.

Pros - giant power gains, easily adjustable/tunable (depends on kit), sounds cool
Cons - costs some money to be done right, you can get carried away with seeing just how much boost you can handle

[nvrenough]

Supercharger takes power to make power.
Turbo practically free power.
Supercharger constant power.
Turbo takes a minute to spool.
Supercharger certain applications doesn't need an intercooler.
Turbo for best results use an intercooler.

For More Info go to Procharger.com

[Poison Rice]

I was also thinking about that...(LS teg)

I want to be able get 380-400 at the fly but yet have very good reliability. I know its sounds very far out but cant I turn down the boost to like 3psi and have superior relibility when not racing?
Aprox. how much money will it take it get 400 at the fly....like all at once....? I know its pretty vage but a rough estimate will do...

Also whats the best turbo for that type of application? t3/t4 or something smaller?
Thanks...

[integratool666]

a teg with between 80k and 100k, usually ill just race light to light, and then official races at the track eventually. how do you tune the psi - up and down? how would run it to ensure reliablity and all that good stuff? how much for a good one - so i can do it right?

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by integratool666

how do you tune the psi - up and down?

An electronic boost controller will allow you to adjust the boost (psi)while driving from inside the vehicile. That's how you can adjust the boost "on the fly" so to speak. So get a good boost controller. Also, unless you like screwing up your turbo or sitting there in the car after driving it to let it cool down, get a good turbo timer also. If your trying to run that much boost, you'll definatly need to let the motor/turbo cool down after driving it. That's where a good turbo timer will come in handy. When you turn off the car, the turbo timer will let the car ideal for a few minutes to cool down properly before shutting off the motor. A good one has safety procautions build in, so no worries about someone jumping in and driving off. For example, with some, if the gear shifter is moved, or the e-brake moved, or any of the pedals hit, it will immidiatly shut the car off. Basic, it ideals to cool the motor properly, it's not running where it can be driven. In short, a good electronic boost controller will allow you to control the boost from inside the vehicle, and a good turbo timer will allow your turbo to properly cool down after driving it.

[whtteg]

for 380 the 400 Hp you will need the T3/T4. As for price it depends on how reliable you want to make it. Right now there is a groupbuy going on for Golden Eagle sleeved blocks, the price runs from $775 to $950 depending on how many people sign up for it. http://www.groupbuycenter.com/buy.aspx?id=14287

[AcesHigh]

I don't think an Integra can take alot of boost before blowing up. Or retaining any shred of reliability.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by AcesHigh

I don't think an Integra can take alot of boost before blowing up. Or retaining any shred of reliability.

A GSR (B18C1) motor can in general be boosted to 8PSI safely on stock internals. The LS (B18B1)can be boosted to 12PSI safely on stock internals when tuned properly. To make a long story short, the LS can handle more boost, reliabily, than a GSR can. That 12PSI on the LS should put you around or above 250whp. A lot of it has to do with the airflow of the turbo as much as the level of boost. The greater the airflow, the more area it will flow @ a given level of boost. As a result, the turbo that flows more air will make more power @ the same level of boost as the one that flows less air.

Anyways, I am getting off point, lol. You can safely run 12psi of boost on an LS, 8psi of boost on a GSR.

[integratool666]

can i get the same power out of a supercharger? i was looking at vortech and jackson racing? how does the power/reliablity differ on those than a turbo?

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by integratool666

can i get the same power out of a supercharger? i was looking at vortech and jackson racing? how does the power/reliablity differ on those than a turbo?

A supercharger takes powr to make power first off. They are bent driven. The power is always there (no lag), however, their are paracidic losses as a result of the way the air is compressed (it's belt driven). This means, as I said above, it take some of the power of the motor away (like Power steer does) to drive the belt, to make the power. Vortech's is a centifigul supercharger, it tends to add power to the toip end and shift the power curve to the right. Usually, drivng with the vortech sc, it's discribed as "the car having an huge vtec boost" sense it really kicks in towards the latter part of the RPM band. I turbocharger uses exhuast gases exiting the engine to drive the compressor and compress the air. This means it is not taking power away to make power. However, there can be turbo lag, especially with big turbo's, because it takes time for the exhuast gases to build up enough pressure to spin the compressor fast enough to create boost. This is usually not a problem with small turbo's. In general, it is possible to make more power with a turbo set-up than a vortech or jackson racing supercharger. Of course, this means upgrade internals, huge turbo..etc...but still. If you want my 2 cents , I'd never get a supercharger. I don't like them, I never will. I'd only go the turbocharger route if I was going with Forced Induction.

[Ricky619]

t3/t4 is the prime choice for turbochargers. less lag and great power at lower rpm's. w/ the t3/t4 it is highly recommended to replace stock internals along with a pricy intercooler. in the end with proper tuning and about 14psi you will make enough power to blow the doors off of any supercharged beast on the street. along w/ other common mods. oh yeah the boost controller is a must have since you really dont want to go everywhere running such high boost