How'd we really get here?

[ironman502]

Does anybody here know what's so special about evolution? Creation requires faith in a God who made all things, but it seems like evolution is a faith issue too. But when you say "you need faith to believe in evolution," people get all mad and worked up. Why? I can never get anyone to give me a straight answer of how evolution has been proven. I've heard of some "transition fossils," but most turned out to be hoaxes. Does anyone know of anything solid supporting creation or evolution, or are we left to believe the way we choose?

[taranaki]

I think we should be left to our own personal prejudices on the whole issue.There's no way that the extremes of opinion on both sides will ever meet in the middle.

[thrasher]

I think it is about looking at the facts, and choosing what offers the most reasonable answer. Evolution cannot explain everything, but it explains a whole lot more than creationism, and in a much more believable way. Its' theory is modifiable, and as humans gain knowledge, we can more correctly describe the world. It never made sense to me that 2000 year old beliefs be applied in an entirely different world. Religions generally accept scientific discoveries, it just takes a lot longer, as they tend to be more conservative and skeptical than the scientific communities. It's just a matter of time until evolutionary theory is widely accepted, as soon as it is most correctly understood, that is. I could provide tons of irrefutable evidence (in my mind anyways) for evolution, but you still have to choose for yourself what makes sense.

[DGB454]

Here's where things get a little fuzzy. There are a couple different views on how man came to be even in Christianity. There are old earth creationist and new earth creationist. Both believe that God made everything but there are differences in beliefs on how he went about doing it. NECs beleive that man came into the world just as the Bible says he did. He (Adam)was created with no ancestors. OECs believe he evolved into what he is today but it was God who started the process with that in mind. OECs don't believe this contradicts the Bible but is a less literal translation of Genisis.
Generally non Religious people believe totally in evolution. There are a few branches that need filling in on the evolution tree not to mention where it all began (big sticking point) but there seems to be enough evidence out there that supports some sort of evolution took place in man.

[EnzoHonda]

You can't prove evolution, just like you can't prove gravity. Why? Because you can't see evolution, just like you can't see gravity. You can only see the effects of both. You throw a ball, it hits the ground. What is gravity? Where does it come from? Do those questions even matter?

I see evolution the same way. I look at myself in the mirror, and I see my family members. I don't see a Chinese person. My Aunt moved to Africa to teach and she married a local (black) man. Their children aren't as dark as their father or as light as their mother. They are a combination of their parents.

So we have established that people generally resemble their parents. If an Asian couple has a black child, the woman has some explaining to do.

Now, who here wants to marry a fat, buck-toothed, mentally-handicapped person? Who wants to marry a Charlize Theron or Brad Pitt? I'm going to hazard a guess that most people would prefer to marry a more attractive person. Where does that leave the ugly retard? Out of the gene-pool. Their traits are not passed down, while the traits of the attractive people are.

So we've established that people will generally marry (and thus procreate with) the best person they can. So the human race improves itself... hmm... there's a word for this... it's on the tip of my tongue.

So I most resemble my family members. Who else do I resemble? Well, being of mostly British decent, I do look a lot like them. Brown hair, green eyes, pale skin, and my bottom teeth are really bad. I certainly resemble the people of my heritage more than I resemble an Asian or African person. So what is it that makes me different? DNA.

The DNA between a parent and child is nearly identical. The DNA between an Asian and African is not quite as close, but is still extremely similar. Who else's DNA is similar. You know it's coming... Chimps!

Now, does any of this matter? Of course not. Whether humans and chimps both branched off from one similar primate a few million years ago is meaningless. So is the idea that we all came from Adam and Eve (and Eve's incestuous relationship with her sons). The only thing that matters is that we're here. Let's all make the best of it. If you'll excuse me, my PS2 awaits!

[goat_launcher]

You can't prove evolution, just like you can't prove gravity. Why? Because you can't see evolution, just like you can't see gravity. You can only see the effects of both. You throw a ball, it hits the ground. What is gravity? Where does it come from? Do those questions even matter?
-Enzohonda

Hmmmm. Try jumping off a building. Maybe you'll believe in this so-called "gravity" concept. Let's see, I guess you can say AIDs and all viruses don't exist either, because you can't see them, but can "see" the effects. Will somebody beat this kid?


This is my theory on how our pathetic race populated the planet...

The aliens dropped Adam and Eve off on this (then) uninhabited planet after they wouldn't stop with the fart jokes.

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by goat_launcher

Hmmmm. Try jumping off a building. Maybe you'll believe in this so-called "gravity" concept. Let's see, I guess you can say AIDs and all viruses don't exist either, because you can't see them, but can "see" the effects. Will somebody beat this kid?

He was describing the problems with theorems.

A theorem is something to be proved, and is thus distinguished from a problem, which is something to be solved.

While proof does exist, you have a lot to learn before spouting off like a moron little one. Spend some time reading http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~his...elativity.html and you'll see that some great minds didn't decide to say gravity exists because "you'll fall if you jump off a building".


Everyone should read http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html Evolution is a Fact and a Theory it is a good piece on some of the issues surrounding evolution.

[stealthj]

the way the world start was over some ugly ass apple......NOT

what i think is,,,,,there IS a god, he DOES wathc oevr us, but thats ALL he does it WATCH, he created the BIG BANG or bacteria or whatrever, then he LEFT, he wENT HOME, he CLOSED TH EBOTTLE sand SLAMMED THE DOOR

[ironman502]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

:Everyone should read http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html Evolution is a Fact and a Theory it is a good piece on some of the issues surrounding evolution.

That article is quite interesting. The first fact that has been pounded into my head in my high school science classes is that science=observation. Without observation, we have no science. Thus, creationists are left hanging on the Bible to support their beliefs. However, I don't ever remember hearing of anyone observing evolution taking place now in ways we believe it to have happened millions of years ago. If you know of any solid evidence of evolution being reproduced in a laboratory or whatever, I'd love to hear it. I'm just having trouble linking the word "fact" to either creation or evolution, seeing nobody was there when it happened and neither can be reproduced today. The way I see this, it's all a matter of personal preference- do you want to believe in God, or not?

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by stealthj

the way the world start was over some ugly ass apple......NOT

what i think is,,,,,there IS a god, he DOES wathc oevr us, but thats ALL he does it WATCH, he created the BIG BANG or bacteria or whatrever, then he LEFT, he wENT HOME, he CLOSED TH EBOTTLE sand SLAMMED THE DOOR

wAHt?

[stealthj]

Originally Posted by DGB454

wAHt?

lol kmon, i stayed up the whole night

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by stealthj

lol kmon, i stayed up the whole night

You have to stop doing that. It's not healthy.

[TexasF355F1]

There's only one way we will ever find out. And it will be when it is our time to lay down forever.

[stealthj]

Originally Posted by TexasF355F1

There's only one way we will ever find out. And it will be when it is our time to lay down forever.

i dont want to die ever

[DGB454]

Why? It's just the next step. I don't want to get old.