Rice Grinders

[dcatkin]

I think that people need to just get a clue, there is no competition against rice burners and American muscle cars. Think about it we're putting an 800 HP Camaro up against a honda civic, C'Mon guys this is gay we all know who will win the race, these idiots with the rice burners build up their 4 poppers to race other 4 poppers, and put twin turbos or superchargers pumping 30 pounds of boost to the induction system. The problem is it kills the engine within a couple of months, and we American muscle car builders are getting 800 HP out of our cars without a lot of work, and what's more the cars we build will last for years.

David C. Atkin
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[Blue02R6]

Very true. One more thing, somebody is always faster.

[dcatkin]

Originally Posted by Blue02R6

Very true. One more thing, somebody is always faster.

This statment is very true, but that is what keeps us all going on the issue of more power, and getting it easier. If your a muslce car freak then you obvously want more power, I mean isen't that what it's all about is creating more power with reliability also. That is whats driven the muscle car freaks for years, and what will drive them in the years to come, we want them to look bigger, badder and faster, and be able to put up or shut up, I think it's just a man thing. But whatever it is it creates a lot of good fun times.

David C. Atkin

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[Musclecarclub]

Speed has always been about money. American muscle or imports. Its just that American engines are cheaper and easier to increase power.

[LjasonL]

Originally Posted by dcatkin

I think that people need to just get a clue, there is no competition against rice burners and American muscle cars. Think about it we're putting an 800 HP Camaro up against a honda civic, C'Mon guys this is gay we all know who will win the race, these idiots with the rice burners build up their 4 poppers to race other 4 poppers, and put twin turbos or superchargers pumping 30 pounds of boost to the induction system. The problem is it kills the engine within a couple of months, and we American muscle car builders are getting 800 HP out of our cars without a lot of work, and what's more the cars we build will last for years.

David C. Atkin
Editor
http://hp-car.com

Wow...

I agree, some people do need to get a clue.

P.S. get a clue

[jon@af]

Originally Posted by dcatkin

I think that people need to just get a clue, there is no competition against rice burners and American muscle cars. Think about it we're putting an 800 HP Camaro up against a honda civic, C'Mon guys this is gay we all know who will win the race, these idiots with the rice burners build up their 4 poppers to race other 4 poppers, and put twin turbos or superchargers pumping 30 pounds of boost to the induction system. The problem is it kills the engine within a couple of months, and we American muscle car builders are getting 800 HP out of our cars without a lot of work, and what's more the cars we build will last for years.

David C. Atkin
Editor
http://hp-car.com

Believe it or not, not everyone with an import car is a ricer. There are actually Import Tuners who know what they are doing, and do it well. Also, an 800hp camaro against a civic is a little unrealistic dont you think? Anyways, just because it's a muscle car doesnt make it invincible; Im sure that with the right car and the right amount of money, an import could be modified to kick a muscle cars ass. Now dont get me wrong, I like muscle cars as much as the next guy, but I get sick of people who think that they are gods of all cars no matter what.

Originally Posted by ldelaysionl

Wow...

I agree, some people do need to get a clue.

P.S. get a clue

[LjasonL]

A fast car is a fast car, regardless of where it was made, and any fast car is cool in my book. We have a local forum that's mainly imports, but there are some muscle cars, Camaro's, including a completely restored 1st gen Camaro (1st gen Camaros are cool! ) and some Mustangs, etc. We all get along cuz we're enthusiasts who respect each others cars for what they're capable of.

...though, the 4 fastest cars on the site's times list are imports, 2 of them on true street tires, with a cammed and nitroused '01 Camaro SS on slicks in 5th place, then 4 more imports till the modded '03 Cobra

[dcatkin]

Originally Posted by ILike2DriveCars

Believe it or not, not everyone with an import car is a ricer. There are actually Import Tuners who know what they are doing, and do it well. Also, an 800hp camaro against a civic is a little unrealistic dont you think? Anyways, just because it's a muscle car doesnt make it invincible; Im sure that with the right car and the right amount of money, an import could be modified to kick a muscle cars ass. Now dont get me wrong, I like muscle cars as much as the next guy, but I get sick of people who think that they are gods of all cars no matter what.

Once again my point is taken wrong.

I'm not saying that because a person might drive a Japanese car that they are an idiot, what I am saying is let's keep this classes where they belong, and not on the street, if you wnat to race then do it on the drag strip where it's safe. This is why if you go to the drag strip you don't see an 1,100 hp Camaro against a 300 hp rice rocket, whitch is impressive for a 4 popper by the way, and I can admit that, but let's not talk against American muscle either, that's just not right.

[BLU CIVIC]

what's the point

if someone wants to race a stock accord aginst a 9 sec. GTO......what the matter with that. irregardless people are gonna race who they want.....in their class, out of their class.....it doesn't matter...people race who they want...and yes u will see a 1,100 hp Camaro against a 300 hp rice rocket....itz called bracket racing....

and what's with the whole "rice" sterotyping

[dcatkin]

Originally Posted by BLU CIVIC

what's the point

if someone wants to race a stock accord aginst a 9 sec. GTO......what the matter with that. irregardless people are gonna race who they want.....in their class, out of their class.....it doesn't matter...people race who they want...and yes u will see a 1,100 hp Camaro against a 300 hp rice rocket....itz called bracket racing....

and what's with the whole "rice" sterotyping

It's not stero typing, we get called muscleheads and gearheads.

This doesn't bother me a lot becouse it's just a part of how it all works for some reason, so I live by the rule of just don't let it get to you. I don't hate the import racers it's true that people will race the kind of cars they like, but on the acctual drag strip you would be in a class bracket, in other words they have a class called Import and those people will race against eachother, just like pro street is a bracket for the cars I like to race, or pro modified. But it's all just racing and it's intended to have fun with and if your good enough you go pro in your class and hopefully win a lot.

[dcatkin]

Originally Posted by ILike2DriveCars

Believe it or not, not everyone with an import car is a ricer. There are actually Import Tuners who know what they are doing, and do it well. Also, an 800hp camaro against a civic is a little unrealistic dont you think? Anyways, just because it's a muscle car doesnt make it invincible; Im sure that with the right car and the right amount of money, an import could be modified to kick a muscle cars ass. Now dont get me wrong, I like muscle cars as much as the next guy, but I get sick of people who think that they are gods of all cars no matter what.

I did get a clue lol, I maybe could have worded it a bit better.

These are great forums and I enjoy the hell out of coming here, but people do have different opinions and that a good thing LOL.

[LjasonL]

So you're saying the only way imports can compete with muscle cars is by bracket racing?

I reiterate

Originally Posted by ldelaysionl

...though, the 4 fastest cars on the site's times list are imports, 2 of them on true street tires, with a cammed and nitroused '01 Camaro SS on slicks in 5th place, then 4 more imports till the modded '03 Cobra

And I add that a whole lot of people (me included) think drag racing is a poor measure of performance, and a true performance car should be able to turn fast and stop fast as well as accelerate fast, and if you think muscle cars are anywhere close to being good bang for the buck in road racing or auto-x, you've obviously yet to explore the wonderful world of independent rear suspension.

[dcatkin]

Originally Posted by ldelaysionl

So you're saying the only way imports can compete with muscle cars is by bracket racing?

I reiterate



And I add that a whole lot of people (me included) think drag racing is a poor measure of performance, and a true performance car should be able to turn fast and stop fast as well as accelerate fast, and if you think muscle cars are anywhere close to being good bang for the buck in road racing or auto-x, you've obviously yet to explore the wonderful world of independent rear suspension.

Then we haven't yet talked.

I hate to get in on the idiocy as a whole, but just look into it a bit, a Z06 Corvette and a Viper are two of the best haldling and best stopping cars built. You can't argue that, it's proven to be true, in the Lamans you don't see any EVO's do you, and why is this, because at the end of the race the Corvettes and Ferriaris are the winners running neck in neck, and no EVO, 350ZX, Celicas, or any other Jap cars where is your proof.

[RISING-SUN]

jeese guys, you are compairing apples to oranges.

a honda civic (for example only) vs. a mustang (for example only) is unfair for different reasons.

if you put a engine, suspention, and tires, in proportion to that of a civic in a mustang, you would have two equal cars. power to weight is the key for drag racing, suspention and tires is key for cornering.........etc. it's all proportional.

so, in reality you have no arguement.

sorry if i sound like an ass, i'm only 16, but i surround myself with people who know their stuff. there-for some of it rubs off onto me, thanx dad.

i have a 1971 amc sst hornet 4 door with an approx. 450 hp 360 that my dad built. there aren't too many imports that can beat it in a 1/4 mile, but it doesn't corner too well with slapper bars!

"BEFORE YOU DRIVE, YOU CUSTOMIZE." Initial-D

[dcatkin]

Originally Posted by RISING-SUN

jeese guys, you are compairing apples to oranges.

a honda civic (for example only) vs. a mustang (for example only) is unfair for different reasons.

if you put a engine, suspention, and tires, in proportion to that of a civic in a mustang, you would have two equal cars. power to weight is the key for drag racing, suspention and tires is key for cornering.........etc. it's all proportional.

so, in reality you have no arguement.

sorry if i sound like an ass, i'm only 16, but i surround myself with people who know their stuff. there-for some of it rubs off onto me, thanx dad.

i have a 1971 amc sst hornet 4 door with an approx. 450 hp 360 that my dad built. there aren't too many imports that can beat it in a 1/4 mile, but it doesn't corner too well with slapper bars!

"BEFORE YOU DRIVE, YOU CUSTOMIZE." Initial-D

The truth of it

The whole truth of the matter is that, in the late 60's people diden't go out and build a road race car to drive on the street. But they did build drag race cars to drive on the street. It's just wrong to think that the 1/4 mile is not a measure of performance, when infact a car that will turn a 4.5 @ 330 MPH in the 1/4 mile definatly has to perform. Also a grand prix car is a very good definition of performance, it makes no sence to pit one against the other, it's like comparing dogs to cats, for hell sakes their both a good pet, but some people don't like one or the other.