Next Modena should have V10

[Pringles]

Would anyone object to Ferrari adding two more cylinders to the V8? Can you imagine what it would sound like? 4.5 liter V10, 500bhp@8500rpm..... hmmmmmm.

I'm hoping the next Modena isn't just a facelift of the old model but something more aggressive looking like a baby Enzo.

Oh well...

[S Brake]

Originally Posted by Pringles

Would anyone object to Ferrari adding two more cylinders to the V8? Can you imagine what it would sound like? 4.5 liter V10, 500bhp@8500rpm..... hmmmmmm.

I'm hoping the next Modena isn't just a facelift of the old model but something more aggressive looking like a baby Enzo.

Oh well...

I wouldn't object but If it aint broke don't fix it. The current V8 sounds glorious and the next model should have the maserati 4.2 liter V8 tuned to Ferrari specs

[MclarenF1LM]

I wouldn't object either but I don't find anything
radically wrong in the current v8. Sure lamborghini
has a v10 but a v8 can work every bit as well,
especialy if its made by Ferrari. And a v10 would
not go with the tradition set by the 308, 328, 348,
355, and 360 all of which had v8s and performed
great in their respective days. But I do agree that
500hp ,and perhaps an extra 100lb/ft of tourque,
would be fabulous if not necessary to keep up
with the Lamborghini Gallardo. As for making it into
a babey Enzo I think it allready is, I mean think
about it it's a mid engined 2 seat supercar,not a
grand tourer like the 575, 456, and soon to be 460,
and it has some slightly more ratical styling than
the afore mensioned cars. What more do you need
to make a babey Enzo?

[EuroSportsCarFan]

Originally Posted by MclarenF1LM

I wouldn't object either but I don't find anything
radically wrong in the current v8. Sure lamborghini
has a v10 but a v8 can work every bit as well,
especialy if its made by Ferrari. And a v10 would
not go with the tradition set by the 308, 328, 348,
355, and 360 all of which had v8s and performed
great in their respective days. But I do agree that
500hp ,and perhaps an extra 100lb/ft of tourque,
would be fabulous if not necessary to keep up
with the Lamborghini Gallardo.

Maybe the 360 might not be as balanced with a V8. What they should do is make the Maranello a meaner (sounding) car. It's just too tame for my taste.

[EuroSportsCarFan]

Didn't mean to put that quote in there.

[Pringles]

Looking at the F40 and F50, I don't think Ferrari has a problem with breaking tradition in terms of engine configurations. I don't think they'd have a problem with going V10. On the other hand I agree that if it ain't broke then don't fix it. There's nothing wrong with the V8 but you can't deny the appeal of a Ferrari V10 and not just in terms of added performance.

I didn't suggest a Ferrari V10 because of Lamborghini. The Gallardo is a completely different thing imo and people shouldn't compare it to the Modena same as they shouldn't compare the Modena to the Porsche Turbo. As for Lamborghini's V10, we're talking about a five-litr engine with 500bhp and around 400lbs of torque. I don't think Ferrari's V8 will match that.

[MclarenF1LM]

You're right they didn't have a problem
with braking with tradition with the f40 and
f50, but they did have a reason. The f40
engine reflected the engines that were in
the F1 cars of that day and the f50's engine
did the same thats the reason for the difference
but there is no reason for changing the 360's
engine. at least none that I can see.

As for comparing the Ferrari to the Lambo
I agree. Ferrari and Lamborghini are commenly
considerd rivals but, when you really think about
it they're two totaly different cars. The Lambo
is a very radicle(some may say it's an I'VE ERIVED
CAR)car but the Ferrari is a rather layed back
kind of sedate sort of car.

[MclarenF1LM]

I think Ferrari's V8 could match lamborghini's v10
if they bored it out a little which they will probably
do.

[Kerbie]

Originally Posted by MclarenF1LM

I think Ferrari's V8 could match lamborghini's v10
if they bored it out a little which they will probably
do.

I really don't think that Ferrari will put a v10 in they're car. Theres really no reason for it. Sure the lambo has a v10. Sure its in competition for market share. But really, as a few have already mentioned, they are not in the same class. They are totaly different cars.
A 360 Modena is a very high end sports car. But at the same time, i think Ferrari designed this one to be a daily driver for those that can afford it. Its very reliable. Very responsive. And very drivable.
What makes in so driveable isn't just because of the v8, but thats not hurting it any. Putting a v8 in they're car gives it better gas millage and makes it more costworthy to drive.
They Gallardo, however has a much larger engine and makes it less appealing as a daily driver. Plus its made by Lambo. Not really the best example of daily driver material.
Even though the 2 are in the same price range. I still believe that Ferrari will have the top seller due to that point.

correct me if im wrong.

[Pringles]

The Modena is more of a road-racer while the Gallardo is more GT, I doubt Ferrari was concerned about gas mileage and making it cheap to run.

Originally Posted by Kerbie

They Gallardo, however has a much larger engine and makes it less appealing as a daily driver. Plus its made by Lambo. Not really the best example of daily driver material.

That's outrageous.

[igzaklee]

The Gallardo is a major step forward for Lamborghini -- the kind of step that has Ferrari wondering in a way they're not exactly used to...

I think the next Modena will end up V10 as a direct result of this, and it will have something beyond facelift as update-- maybe more Enzo than previously imagined: rear lights, steering wheel controls, lower weight...

[R/T]

Naw, no V10. If I remember correctly, Ferrari has always made only V8s and V12s (and V6s naturally in early years). It's in their haritage, and the only thing keeping that V8 spirit alive is the Modena. I think a V10 would really disappoint Ferrari fans.

And as far as racing goes, I think a V8 is a bit more reliable out on the track. Let's not forget Ferrari's racing heritage. The V8s at Les Mans always do good.

[Pringles]

Then again you have F1, which currently uses V10 engines. Knowing how much Ferrari likes to draw technology from racing, and since F1 is their main thing... If not in the next Modena then maybe a completely new model that would fit between the Modena and Enzo? This makes sense from a marketing point of view and Ferrari could base the engine on the current F1 engine, similiar to the approach they took with the F50's engine...

[mcs]

if they make a modena like a baby enzo its gonna suck the enzo shape has been wrecked modena look fine it just needs a few touch ups but no way make it like an enzo

[Porsche]

I gotta say that Snowboarder couldn't have hit the nail more ont he head.

There is nothing worng with the current 360, anybody could argue it has held it's own amongst it's predecessors, and then some. It is an absolutely beautiful design with the perfect powerplant to match. Yes perhaps it could almost be describes in comprison to new arrivals form Italy as 'underpowered', but certian not slow.

The answer of adding cylinders is not one I would consider for the next generation Modena, assuming the next generation will be called the Modena.

To start at the root of this problem, I don't see why why everyone's gotten all concerned about the 360's output ever since the Gallardo came out. Let me remind everyone that Lamborghini are consistently more powerful than any of thier Italian stablemates. Although things are changing nowaday, Ferraris and Lamborghinis are like Ketchup and Catsup, the same but, not.

Please people, don't worry about Ferrari, this competition has being going on for a good 30 years now, Lamborghini is catching up, but Ferrari has 50 years of experience in this market, Lamborghini has always aimed higher, for the uber exclusive seekers.

Anyways, if Ferrari makes any engine modifications should stay amonsgt the lines of tradition fomr the days of the 308, 328, add more valvles or something, not cylinders, that is a serious modification and, frnalky I'm sick of car companies these days dicthing heritage and tradition for stupidly high hp numbers, and widened model ranges (Mercedes, BMW, Porsche)

If anything were to be done to the Modena's already astounding powerplant, I would want it to be int he form of a lsight enlargement, to perhaps 3.8 or 3.9 litres, but notihng greater, perhap a few others tweaks (a la 360 Challenge Stradale) to boost hp to maybe 460-470. At those numbers, this car will be safe from anything even that Viperghini.

* In terms of any new engines Ferrari should make, a 3-3.5 liter V-12 would win me over from the Germans, nothing like the golden age engines, nothing.