Questions...B17a swap into Civic

[gizmosrealm]

I'm considering doing a B17a swap into my 92 Civic. Anyone know much about this engine (ie-price range, where to get one, aftermarket support, reliability). Also, does anyone know if this is a hard swap to do? Once done, how do standard bolt on parts fit (ie-CAI, headers, exhaust, even turbo)? Would I use 92-93 Integra parts or civic? Any and all suggestions are welcome.

[b18c dx]

it will fit, the b17a needs to come out of a 92-93 teg, ( pretty sure on those dates but don't quote me, as long as it is OBD I ), you can use any B series engine parts on it, ex. dc sports 4-1 header for a 99 civic si, will fit your car. the swap is cake, really easy, a novice swap. you can use your mounts, depending on if your car is a vtec model you may have to wire up the vtec. here is a quick pic of my engine right after we put it in, i still have a few wires hanging around but like i said we just finished, and i know the blue valve cover is gay but i have a chrome one now, it was just a quick thing.

*edit* it won't let me attach the pic, it said its to large, IM me on AOL if you wanna see it or have more questions on this swap

[wheel1856]

yes, you're right 92-93 Teg GS-R.

but I have to ask...why a b17? probably harder to find, though probably gonna be cheaper than a b16 or a b18. and not bad HP at 160. but...and this questions was inevitable in this thread....why not a b18c1? probably a slightly more difficult, but not much, swap, 10 more HP, 1.8 vs. 1.7 L displacement, and lil better built for forced induction later on (if you want).

granted, much much more expensive than a b17a1 would be, but probably easier to find.

just wonderin.

and...did you try www.hmotorsonline.com yet?
or, www.hybridrevolution.com
and check the search function for other sites to buy engines.

good luck

[KrNxRaCer00]

its a sweet motor, but i gotta go w/ wheel. why not b18c1?

or even b18b...

[b18c dx]

my friend has a b17a in his 90 civic hatch, he found it in some redneck junkyard and picked it up for 250 $ and picked up the rear disc conversion and front hubs for 100 $ so if you can find a deal like that then take it...shit i would.

[liquid8]

yeah the only thing is that you'll have to do the cable to hydro conversion. if you decide to use that tranny i mean

[jcrx]

Originally posted by liquid8
yeah the only thing is that you'll have to do the cable to hydro conversion. if you decide to use that tranny i mean

Thank you for bringing that up, I can't believe this made five post without a hint of it.

[gizmosrealm]

I'd definitely go with a hydro tranny, way better than cable IMO. As for reasoning in getting a B17, mainly price difference. It also has a better R/S ratio than a B18b1 though as you said, the B18c series is a little better built. Against the B16, it is again slightly less expensive, and alows for higher revs (up to 10,000 I've read, moded). It can also handle boost (not moded) up to around 13-14psi. They are also fairly plentiful as everyone tends to do the B16 or B18 swaps. But when it is all said and done, it's all about cost. I'm paying my way through college right now and don't have a lot of $. The extra $1000 for 10 more HP and 10 more lbs/torqu (ie-B18 engine) aren't worth it for me. As I know not where to look, any suggestions as to where I might find one?

[jcrx]

Against the B16, it is again slightly less expensive, and alows for higher revs (up to 10,000 I've read, moded). It can also handle boost (not moded) up to around 13-14psi.

No and No. It is a B16 with a slightly longer stroke 3mm to be exact, that's it. same cams, same head, same springs, it has a lower compression (9.7:1) than the B16A (10.2:1 or 10.4:1) and a lower c/r (1.68 as opposed to 1.74 (B16A)).

They are also fairly plentiful as everyone tends to do the B16 or B18 swaps.

Are you kidding? where do you shop? Thise are hard as hell to get. Don't get me wrong, they are around, but since they were only made for two years, there aren't a lot of them around and they go for the same if not more than B16A's.

[gizmosrealm]

Thanks for correcting me, I'm still researching this engine and don't know all the specs yet (thus why I'm asking about it).

[wheel1856]

, it has a lower compression (9.7:1) than the B16A (10.2:1 or 10.4:1)

thought it had a 10.0:1 compression.
and a redline at 8000rpms. (the b17a1 that is)

still lower...

and I did not know it was a cable tranny on the b17...learn sumthin new everyday. nifty.

my suggestion...www.google.com -> "b17a1" -> go from there.
or try "import recyclers" or variation there of.

and jcrx is right, its gonna be a mutha to find. 2 year model, and not a plentiful model at that. but it's a lesser known engine, so those that are out there, should be cheap enough to get.

what are aftermarket products like for that? I would assume that a b series is a b series is a b series is a b series, but any alteration in things like distributors, header, intakes, etc. Im asking. I would imagine b-series parts would fit...but might wanna check

[b18c dx]

if you get the b17 and later on decided to go ls/vtec then you already have the ideal crank for it. and any b series header will work. i forgot about the cable to hydro conversion, but for the price it still maybe cheaper i don't know i never looked around for a b17. check ebay about cable to hydro conversion kits. the b17 that is in my friends car is a 90 hatch so its already cable. i would say go h22. for under 3k you can have all of the parts that you need, and if you know neone that does honda swaps then you can save on labor ( 3k not including labor ). my friend has an h22 hatch and we put it in and he spent less than 3k, and got DSS stage 1 axles. if a b17 is what you want thought then damn it, go out an get urself one.

[KrNxRaCer00]

Originally posted by wheel1856
thought it had a 10.0:1 compression.
and a redline at 8000rpms. (the b17a1 that is)

u sir are correct. sorry jcrx, but u messed up. (doesn't happen often, so i'll let it slide this time j/k )

still say b18b swap. sure u don't have vtec, but u've got a nice motor to start w/ for a turbo. if u have the money to rebuild the b17 for turbo, then sweet, but a MUCH more cost effective route would be the b18b.

u'd have a bigger displacement, an u'll be able to run about 10-12 psi on the stock motor, compared to only around 6-7 on the b17.

if u figure APPROXIMATELY, u usually get AROUND 10hp for each lb (yes, i kno this isn't exact an there are some variables, but its close enough to prove my point).

u'd have about 150 to the wheels w/ the b17a...turbo it, at 7 psi (tops) u have about 220 to the wheels.

compare this to the b18b which has around 120 to the wheels. turbo it, run it at 12 psi, an ur lookin at 240 to the wheels.

all these are approximate, but u would be able to see more power from the b18b cheaper.

before u say how the vtec/higher compression motor is better in the long run w/ a little more money, i already know this. but for a person on a tighter budget, this would be a much better way to go and a much easier motor to find.

[diegoaccord]

If you have big plans AND can see them thru, then maybe get the LS/VTEC, LS, and turbo these people speak of. If you just have enough, and are trying to "just get it done" get the stock VTEC motor. Think about the present now.

[jcrx]

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00


u sir are correct. sorry jcrx, but u messed up. (doesn't happen often, so i'll let it slide this time j/k )

Hmmm.... I am going to have to write Honda, it maybe 10.0:1, but the company that manufacters them listed it as 9.7:1.
And a couple other places on the net
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/L...ston-Specs.htm
http://www.bseries.net/html/specs/benginespecs.php
http://clubintegra.net/specs/90-93integra.html