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#1
07-29-2011, 03:36 PM
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Tranny in the Trunk, Bearings and anything else
Well, after 4 months of walking around, I finally got a transmission. My friend calls it, a Tranny in the trunk."
I split the job into two different tasks, one, getting the transmission. Second, putting it in. Now that I'm on part 2, some comments where made when I bought it at the wrecking yard. As my friend was backing up, I remember the person saying that while the trans is out, "I would change the barring behind the tourqe converter. I think he also said the other ones as well. Without adding to much more costs, what is a good idea to replace before I put the trans in? He also said the tourqe converter goes in three tmes, or something like that. If it doesn't go in all three, it will hit the pump and break it. Whats he talking about? Any tips or advice would help, Thank you very much, Chris Here is a picture of my "Tranny in the Trunk." 
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1998 Buick Park Avenue (best car GM ever made) Buick Lesabre 1997, 191,000 152,000 - Motor R.I.P. Used 111,000 Motor, All New Gaskets Used 102,000 Transmission - SOLD New Balance 662 Trek 8000 
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#2
07-29-2011, 07:43 PM
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Re: Tranny in the Trunk, Bearings and anything else
I would replace the seal behind the torque converter. The bushing should be ok. When you put the converter in, after you get it up on the shaft you have to push and turn the converter to get it to match all the splines and slide all the way up until the pump shaft is in. As you turn, wiggle and push you will feel it move back and "clunk" each step. If you can't fit your fingers between the converter and bellhousing it is usually all the way back. You will understand when you do it.
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#3
07-30-2011, 03:01 PM
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Re: Tranny in the Trunk, Bearings and anything else
Thanks for the reply. You made it sound not so scary. The only thing that's got me spooked now is what I herd on the radio.
A man called up The Car Show and told about how his transmission went out. He replaced it with a new, factory transmission that went out in 6 months. He got another new one, but it went out also. He was asked if he replaced the transmission lines and the radiator when he did the job. He said no, and the reply was that parts of the trans that went out, clog the lines and get stuck in the radiator. It restricts the flow and it overheats the trans. The person on the radio added, you can never be sure you get them all out unless you replace the lines and put in a new radiator. It will be a hard job getting this thing in, let alone the expense and work of changing the trans lines and a new radiator I just replaced a few years a go. Kind of seems like it won't be worth it with all this. After I get done, I may have a failure again. Chris.
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1998 Buick Park Avenue (best car GM ever made) Buick Lesabre 1997, 191,000 152,000 - Motor R.I.P. Used 111,000 Motor, All New Gaskets Used 102,000 Transmission - SOLD New Balance 662 Trek 8000
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#4
07-30-2011, 03:22 PM
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Re: Tranny in the Trunk, Bearings and anything else
When we do a warranty transmission repair we are required to backflush, front flush and flow test the cooler to make sure it is safe to be reused. Most are. A flush code with temperature, and flow rate in gallons per minute is required for GM to pay for a claim. Did you remove the lower pan from your old trans and if so was there alot of friction material in it? If there was not you "should" be ok. There is a flush in a can available aftermarket that forces fluid and detergents through the cooler and lines. Use this at the very least to make sure the system is clear. This is not the best test but you can put one end of a line in a jug and blow air through the other line. If it comes out at a decent rate you may be ok. The only other problem is if the cooler leaks and coolant gets into the trans fluid. If the lines aren't kinked or rusty there is no need to replace them. Blow em out. If the radiator has high mileage, well, you may want to replace it. I have overhauled and replaced ALOT of transmissions and had only a few cooler issues.
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07-31-2011, 05:57 PM
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Re: Tranny in the Trunk, Bearings and anything else
About 5 years a go, a friend and I dropped the pan. He found little chunks and told me to, "sell the car." I forgot about it and now, 5 years later I had a failure.
When it went, I was driving along and it was like it went into neutral. I revved it up and it slammed into gear and drove home. I drove it back about 10mph and parked it. Trans has a sound like a rod knock, but sounds more like if I took my belt off (pants) and hit it on a table. Smack, smack, smack, smack, smack..... Chris.
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1998 Buick Park Avenue (best car GM ever made) Buick Lesabre 1997, 191,000 152,000 - Motor R.I.P. Used 111,000 Motor, All New Gaskets Used 102,000 Transmission - SOLD New Balance 662 Trek 8000
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08-04-2011, 08:52 AM
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Re: Tranny in the Trunk, Bearings and anything else
Sounds like the reverse reaction drum went in your original trans.. I like trans coolers for a reason...
I would flush out your trans heat exchanger to make sure there is no trash in it before you install the new trans...
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08-05-2011, 11:07 AM
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Re: Tranny in the Trunk, Bearings and anything else
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I ran into a friend at breakfast and he's really good with cars. He may help get this thing in. When we were talking, he wondered what the book time was on it. He is going to look it up. I want to know what he's going to find out. Anyone know how much time they give for a trans swap? Not actual, but shop time or what ever the "book" says. Thanks, Chris.
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1998 Buick Park Avenue (best car GM ever made) Buick Lesabre 1997, 191,000 152,000 - Motor R.I.P. Used 111,000 Motor, All New Gaskets Used 102,000 Transmission - SOLD New Balance 662 Trek 8000
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08-08-2011, 02:37 PM
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Re: Tranny in the Trunk, Bearings and anything else
I bought GM Factory Service Manuals for my car. I bought "both" books, 1 and 2 "of 2". These have everything I need for my car, - except how to take out the transmission. Who would of known 1 and 2 of 2 would mean there are 3 books?
I showed my friend my Haynes manual and if he helps, wants a better manual. Is there anyone who has that third book that could email me the pages that show how to take out the trans? Thanks for any help. Chris.
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1998 Buick Park Avenue (best car GM ever made) Buick Lesabre 1997, 191,000 152,000 - Motor R.I.P. Used 111,000 Motor, All New Gaskets Used 102,000 Transmission - SOLD New Balance 662 Trek 8000
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08-09-2011, 04:35 AM
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Re: Tranny in the Trunk, Bearings and anything else
There is nothing in section 7 about R&R? Only Diagnostics and overhaul? I should be able to find the manual today. 1997 Lesabre, correct? The engine will need to be supported from the top with an engine support fixture. Then the frame (cradle) will need to be removed from the bottom, diconnecting ball joints, sway bar end links, etc. Lower steering shaft disconnected. Starter removed, torque converter bolts removed. Everything else in the way removed or relocated. Remove all bell housing bolts, don't forget the one that comes in from the other side of the engine. Axles out of trans, then trans out of car.
To replace with transfer of parts 4T65-E pays 8.0 hours plus a few tenths here and there. 4T60-E pays 7.3 hours plus a few tenths.
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#10
08-09-2011, 10:30 AM
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Re: Tranny in the Trunk, Bearings and anything else
will you guys have a lift or be doing this on the ground?
The sub frame on the 86-99 H bodies has a separation point at the passenger front... Will be sort of in the shape of an L ..... Will look like this...   This is the back yard mechanic method as I don't have a lift anywhere...lol
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#11
08-10-2011, 03:07 PM
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Re: Tranny in the Trunk, Bearings and anything else
1997.
We will be doing this on the ground. He said it will be 8 1/2, so I can tell him it's easier then it seems since mine is the 460E. I have from Autozone a drawing of the cradle. It shows the four points with it "separating" one point at the places you have in the picture. The part that's out laying on the ground, can I leave the other part in the car? I came into the restaurant this morning and a guy was talking to my friend how hard it is. He didn't know for sure but was trying to act like he knew. When he saw me, he said, "this guy said it's hard." I showed him the drawing from autozone website and told him the cradle comes apart and might not have to take the whole thing out. It's easy! We need a good manual. I remember years a go I found a website that had the manuals online. I think it was some kind of school or something but can't find it now. Would be good to get the pages. This is what I bought the manuals for in the first place. Chris.
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1998 Buick Park Avenue (best car GM ever made) Buick Lesabre 1997, 191,000 152,000 - Motor R.I.P. Used 111,000 Motor, All New Gaskets Used 102,000 Transmission - SOLD New Balance 662 Trek 8000
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08-10-2011, 03:50 PM
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Re: Tranny in the Trunk, Bearings and anything else
Like stated the engine will need to be supported from the top... There are 3 bolts iirc on the passenger front ahead of the compressor for the sub frame, on the drivers rear there are 4 bolts, one thats hidden, 2 that hold the sway bar bracket down and another that you should be able to see behind the control arm.. The rest of the sub frame will simply stay in place...
There is a mount on the rear of the trans, you will want to remove the 3 bolts from it... An assortment of sockets and reversible ratchet wrenches will help in a big way... The opposing bolt will be the hardest to get to... several 1/2" extensions will come in very handy here... Its not easy.... But I have seen worse...
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#13
08-12-2011, 05:57 PM
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Re: Tranny in the Trunk, Bearings and anything else
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"Not easy?" All you have to do is take off a few bolts, drop part of the subframe and take a few bolts off and it comes right out!  Chris.
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1998 Buick Park Avenue (best car GM ever made) Buick Lesabre 1997, 191,000 152,000 - Motor R.I.P. Used 111,000 Motor, All New Gaskets Used 102,000 Transmission - SOLD New Balance 662 Trek 8000
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08-14-2011, 12:53 AM
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Re: Tranny in the Trunk, Bearings and anything else
DO NOT GET THE HAYNES MANUAL IT SUCKS. That is all
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