what should i buy???

[mete0ra86]

im looking for a new car right now and my choices are down to a 94 del sol S w/135000 miles on it,($4500, but we can prob get him to 4k), or a 95 ford probeGT w/ 87k on it($3200) which should i get? please dont be biased to hondas because this is the honda forum

[MLE_Sol]

I am biased to Hondas...but for many reasons...

This is one reason why I'm not a Ford fan:



I know it's not a Probe, but I think if they did such a bad job on the Focus, then what's there to make me think they did good on others?
...and since then, there's been more problems, more findings.
I talked to a guy that was one of those cases with the engine compartment fires...let me tell you, it was not pretty. Total destruction.

I am starting to like some of the old muscle Fords....they can be fast devils....but the more current Fords I have to wonder about...

Meanwhile, I think the del Sol is a fun lil car, gotta love the removable targa.
If you're gonna get a Sol tho, I'd recommend '95+... more features, like lockable trunk release, improved weather seals, power locks, etc.

...take care of a Honda, it'll last you a loooooooong time. 300k mi. Fords from what I hear will last you 200k mi if you take care of them, 100k mi if you don't.

I know it may not help you much....
good luck....

PS...just curious what makes you think that coming into a Honda forum, you're NOT going to get a biased opinion....everyone here I bet loves their Honda. I know I love mine, there is very little in the world I would consider trading it for.

[94SolGrl]

why post on a honda forum and then tell us not to be biased? of course we're going to be. But only because honda is better. But if you're thinking about paying 4500 for a high mileage s model you might wanna think about sticking to a ford... I hear they're a little slower over there... just kidding seriously though I bought my 94 VTEC model with 100k on it for $4600.

[mete0ra86]

and can u believe focuss' are outselling civics?????????
yea probes have like all mazda parts so there not even like a ford.
its not like im looking at del sols. its just that my mom said she found a nice car and wanted me to come look at it. it was that del sol i told u about. i was origianaly looking at civics. i love everything about that del sol except its not fast stock. i love the probe because it is fast stock.

[94SolGrl]

If ya get a VTEC it's pretty quick stock, then do a tighten here, a turn there, and a cut there and it gets a little faster... then do a bolt on here and an aftermarket there and you can usually bust out 14s

[NSXN8]

Something tells me that you will never forgive yourself if you go with the Probe. I think that generally most people consider the Delsol to be a much better car in many ways. Just do what are good buddy Emily did, and find an exellent deal on a Vtech Sol, which won't be easy, considering that the Vtechs are hard to come by in the first place. Emily, did you just luck out or something? How did you find such a good deal? Did it take a lot of searching? I wish i could come by such a deal.

[94SolGrl]

why would I want a sol powered by a phone?

VTEC*, not Vtech

[94SolGrl]

and about the sol, I just snooped around on autotrader. Keep in mind that you're not gonna find a flawless sol for that kinda price. The carfax report on my car is a mile and a half long. But luckily everything's being fixed by me, so it's fun.

[mete0ra86]

well i cant find a v tec del sol so i think im gonna go with a probe. y would i regret getting 1? its practically a mazda and not a ford. also the 1 im looking at has like everything new.

http://autotrader.com/findacar/vdeta...or=&cardist=32

[94SolGrl]

dude.. get a del sol S model for like $3000, then swap in a b16, b18, or H22... for about $6000 you get a sol with a badass engine, and to make it better your insurance company has it registered by VIN#, so it's lower cause they think it's an S. Think about it...

[MLE_Sol]

Originally posted by 94SolGrl
dude.. get a del sol S model for like $3000, then swap in a b16, b18, or H22... for about $6000 you get a sol with a badass engine, and to make it better your insurance company has it registered by VIN#, so it's lower cause they think it's an S. Think about it...

What she said...but I wouldnt get an H22 unless I'm going to make it a drag car... b16 or b18 IMO.

[NSXN8]

This is why you will regret getting the Probe:

Here is where i got the info http://www.alldata.com/TSB/19/95191480.html



Automotive Recalls and Technical Service Bulletins for 1995 Ford Probe V6-153 2.5L DOHC.
Provided by ALLDATA





Bulletins for 1995 Ford Probe V6-153 2.5L DOHC

Safety Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title 95S06 MAR 95 Recall - Passenger Side Air Bag Inspection

Emissions Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title 99E02 JUL 99 Recall - Fuel Filler Cap Replacement

General Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title 95B70 OCT 95 Campaign - Fuel Pump/Sender Modification
95B79 JAN 95 Campaign - Keyless Entry System Transmitters

Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title 02-17-6 SEP 02 A/T - Inadvertent Shift Interlock Disabling
02-16-4 AUG 02 Audio System - Whining/Buzzing Noise From Speakers
02-2-4 FEB 02 A/T - CD4E Harsh and Delayed Upshifts/DTC's Stored
01-24-6 DEC 01 Engine - Oil System Priming Procedures
01-23-6 NOV 01 Engine Coolant - Propylene Glycol Recommendations
01-15-7 AUG 01 A/T - Fluid Application Charts
01-15-6 AUG 01 Heater Core - Repeated Failure
01-10-12 MAY 01 Wire Harness - Terminal Repair Kit
01-7-3 APR 01 Fuel Pump - Whine Heard Through Radio Speakers
00-18-2 SEP 00 A/T - No Forward Gear Engagement
00-1-5 JAN 00 A/T - New Transmission Cooler Flusher/Service Tip
99-26-9 DEC 99 Fuel Economy - Customer Expectation vs. Vehicle Usage
99-24-9 NOV 99 A/T - CD4E Fluid Leak From Fill Tube/Seepage From Vent
99-22-2 NOV 99 Wire Harness - Terminal Repair Kit/Wire Splice Procedure
99-19-6 SEP 99 A/C - Identification of Non Approved Refrigerants
99-19-4 SEP 99 Brakes - Vibration/Inspection Service Tips
99-15-2 JUL 99 A/T - Transmission Flush and Fill Tool Available
99-11-1 JUN 99 Comprehensive Noise/Vibration/Harshness Procedure
99-8-15 MAY 99 Interior Door Trim Panel - Replacement Tip
99-8-16 MAY 99 Motor Oil - Viscosity Grade Recommendation
99-2-3 FEB 99 Windshield - Water Leaks
98-26-2 JAN 99 Fuel - Volatility Related Driveability Concerns
98-24-6 DEC 98 Electrical - New Terminal Grease Released For Service
98-23-10 NOV 98 Engine - Lean Driveability Symptoms
98-20-10 OCT 98 Exhaust System - Buzzing/Rattling Noise
98-17-1 SEP 98 Seat Leather - Cleaning Procedure Tips
98-12-5 JUN 98 A/C - Filtering Refrigerant After Compressor Replacement
98-9-9 MAY 98 Fuel Injectors - Non Warranty Reimbursement Testing
98-7-4 APR 98 Engine - New Gasket Sealer
98-5A-11 MAR 98 Brakes - Elimination Of Sanding Rotors And Drums
98-5A-13 MAR 98 Brakes - New Silicone Compound/Grease
98-5A-5 MAR 98 Hub-Mount Brake Rotor Machining Equipment
98-5A-4 MAR 98 Lug Nuts - Proper Installation/Torqueing Procedure
98-5A-12 MAR 98 Vehicle - Towing Behind RVs Guidelines
98-5-2 MAR 98 Tires - Company Customer Assistance Telephone Numbers
98-2-7 FEB 98 Air Conditioning - Musty/Mildew Type Odors
98-2-9 FEB 98 Instrument Panel - Rattling/Buzzing Noise
97-24-13 NOV 97 Remote Keyless Entry - Diagnostic Service Tips
97-19-4 SEP 97 Brake and Rotor - Service Tips
97-19-1 SEP 97 Door Glass - Water Leaks/Wind Noise
97-19-11 SEP 97 Heater Core - On Car Pressure Test For Warranty Claim
97-17-14 AUG 97 Engine - Knocking/Clattering/Ticking/Tapping Noises
97-17-13 AUG 97 Engine - Tapping Noise
97-17-2 AUG 97 Rear View Mirror - Reattachment
97-17-3 AUG 97 Sliding Roof Panel - Rattle/Squeak/Creak Noise
97-11-1 MAY 97 Door - Replacement Service Procedure
97-15-5 MAY 97 A/C - Refrigerant Oil Refill Capacity
9774 MAR 97 A/T - 4EAT Harsh 1-2 Upshift
9746 FEB 97 A/T - CD4E Harsh Shift and/or Engagement Tip
9733 FEB 97 MAF Sensor - MIL ON/DTC's Set/Driveability Concerns
962614 DEC 96 A/T - CD4E Harsh Shift/DTC 678 or P0741 Set
962612 DEC 96 Torque Converter - Cleaning and Replacement Guidelines
96254 DEC 96 Air Bag System - Error Code 51Diagnostics/Repair
962516 DEC 96 Axle Shafts - Fluid Leaks
96249 NOV 96 A/T Torque Converter - Leak Test Procedure
96246 NOV 96 Electrical Diode - Identification and Replacement
96225 OCT 96 Mass Air Flow Sensor - Assembly Replacement
96221 OCT 96 Windshield/Interior Glass - Fog/Film
96208 SEP 96 A/C - New O Ring Applications
96207 SEP 96 A/C O Ring - Availability and Applications
96171 AUG 96 Door Glass - Pop or Snap Noise When Cycled
96156 JUL 96 A/C System - Service TSB List
96113 MAY 96 Engine - Knock/Clatter/Tick/Tap Noise, Service Tip
96107 MAY 96 Fuel - California Reformulated Gasoline
9695 APR 96 A/T - CD4E Service Units Shipped With Low Fluid Level
9688 APR 96 A/T - CD4E Whistle Noise in Park
9666 MAR 96 A/T - CD4E Alignment Tabs On Cover Pan
9645 FEB 96 Fuel Gauge - Inaccurate Reading When Tank is Full
ATRATB364 JAN 96 A/T - G4A-EL & F4EAT Trouble Code Identification
ATRATB350 JAN 96 A/T - G4A-EL 3-4 Shift Hunt
95241 DEC 95 Steering Wheel - Off Center After Hard Turn
95211 OCT 95 Air Bag Modules - Discolored/Marred Covers
95216 OCT 95 Fuel Gauge - Reads Inaccurately
95184 SEP 95 Air Conditioning - Approved Flushing Procedures
95182 SEP 95 Recycled Engine Coolant - Service Tips
951610 AUG 95 A/T - New Rotunda Fluid Changer Service Tip
95143 JUL 95 Headlamp Door - Erratic or intermittant Operation
95131 JUL 95 A/C Evaporator Core - On Vehicle Leak Test Requirement
95121 JUN 95 Windshield - Material Usage Procedure
95114 JUN 95 NGS or SBDS - Self Test Performance/Missing DLC
9594 MAY 95 Combination Switch - Slow to Cancel After Left Turns
95611 MAR 95 A/T - CD4E TSS Sensor Mounting Surface Incorrect
9562 MAR 95 Brakes - Roughness During Application
9561 MAR 95 Paint - Iron Particle Removal
95512 MAR 95 A/C - Adding Refrigerant Oil Service Tip
9527 JAN 95 A/T - CD4E Coast Clutch Piston Seal Service Tip
9522 JAN 95 Air Conditioning - O Ring Removal Service Tip
9524 JAN 95 Radiator - New Manufacturing Process
94266 DEC 94 A/C - Release of R134a Fluorescent Dye
94252 DEC 94 Brake Rotor - Machining Equipment/Warranty Information
94234 NOV 94 Paint - Preparation Procedure And MSDS Information
94228 OCT 94 A/T - CD4E Transaxle Pump Seal Fluid Leak
94206 OCT 94 A/C - Oil Visible At Spring Lock Couplers
942010 OCT 94 A/T - CD4E Servo Cover/Service Tool & Tips
94172 AUG 94 Rear View Mirror - Detaches From Windshield
9244 FEB 92 EEC IV - Self Test Codes and MIL Service Tips
ATRATB078 NOV 91 A/T - How To Use A Pressure Gauge
ATRATB028 OCT 90 A/T - Engine Vacuum Testing
ATRATB9002006 FEB 90 A/T - Choosing the Right ATF
ATRATB8930 OCT 89 A/T - Math Part II
ATRATB8927 SEP 89 A/T - Twenty Steps To Successful Repairs
ATRATB8923 AUG 89 A/T - Math Formulas Part I
ATRATB8754 SEP 87 A/T - Front Bushing Wear
ATRATB8748 AUG 87 A/T - Slipping or No-Shift/Metal Sealing Rings


Need i say more??? The Probe comes right from the factory, ready to fall apart!!

[MLE_Sol]

damn........

[KrNxRaCer00]

Originally posted by MLE_Sol
damn........

quite the list u've got there...

[manticore33]

The probes are not bad, I have a 1994 Mazda 626 LX with a 145k miles on it with out any major issues. The 626, MX-6, and Probe share a lot of parts, especially the engine. One thing I know atleast is the automatic transmissions in those cars have issues sometimes, (atleast the mazdas) especially if not well maintained. (I have a 5 speed I-4, my trans is going great w/ original clutch!) The one thing with the motors in those cars, they are pretty quick and get their power without being reved to high heaven.
Maybe check into an MX-6 I think they have a real slick body style and can stay competitive to some of the VTEC Hondas. I think you could be able to get them for that price range.
For the selection I am neutral to both, the honda probably is a little bit better, but the probe you could haul more people then the Del Sol. All in all I would chose none of the above and go with a MX-6.