eclipse vs. vette please explain

[n1kki6]

no you don't go on a vette board but you have to admit it did revive the board a little it was getting kinda slow. "Without Conflict we'de all be pretty bored wouldn't we" Nikki Sixx.

[ECTurboGSX]

That's the way the world spins.

[1320B4U]

Hey, I just checked out your site. Nice. Was that an old timing belt that needed replacement (what caused that)? How is the Excedy clutch?
-Isaiah

[ECTurboGSX]

I would buy an ACT 2600 if I did it again. I assume the timing belt was just old. Where the teeth are missing is where the crank pulley was. It was pretty torn up. Thanks for the compliment. Some time I plan on making it a lot cooler. I have to make my car a lot cooler first.

[hot_red_z28]

Originally Posted by w8n4myevo

Just look at it this way, yes they have a modded 4cyl and you have a stock 8 which I believe is a 350 correct? Look at it this way, vettes have double the room for producing power,8 cyl vs. 4 cyl, 5.8 litres vs. 2.0 and 6 speed versus 5. And all you have on them is a half a second? In my book they are close. And btw, wait for the Evo VII and you will see a 2.0 smoke you. Nothing personal but america doesnt know how to make a car fast. You want to keep up with the everchanging and drastically improving import scene? Do yourself a favor and contact John Lingenfelter. I think he might be able to help you keep up.

My car cost $8,500 with 55k miles. I have $4,000 in mods right now...

Total: $12,500.

Power adder for power adder, the evo VII doesn't stand a chance. It is already wound out. Put a turbo on a V8, and bye bye evo...

Evo's are overrated more than any car I can remember. I think the STI is a much better car than the Evo, and yet the Evo gets talked about as if it is god. I think not. The 350Z, a naturally aspirated 6 banger can run with an evo. Doesn't sound to special to me...

BTW, the Evo VII will cost over $30k when it hits showroom floors and therfore, it can lick my nuts...

[hot_red_z28]

BTW, no offense to any import driving guys, as I respect the fact that we aren't all going to drive the same car. I also know that imports can be made to go fast, but I just don't like hearing someone bashing on american automakers, cause some hyped up overrated car like the evo is going to be sold here some day when they finally get the emissions tests to pass...

[95eclipse-gsx]

This is to cool u guys down... read it and for sure u will have a smile in ur face




What is heaven for a guy...
Having an american salary...european car....japanese technology.... chinese food... an African tool ....and an indian wife


What is Hell for a guy...
Having an african food ....a chinese tool ..... Indian salary and American wife lol....

[95eclipse-gsx]

Evo's may be overated according to u... (me not sure) but what do u think abt 3000gt VR4... Give Respect and Get respected...

[BoostedSpyder]

vettes are for guy's too poor to buy a porche, and too stupid to mod anything else... and my DSM rocks!!!

[AmericanEagle]

Alright, I usually don’t get caught up in this type of thread simply because they never end. People will always have a better car for less money. If you go to an auction you can get a car for under a grand. If you get second hand parts you can cut money that way….on and on and on…blah blah.
The one thing people don’t seem to realize is that drag racing is not all that big in Japan or around the world. Imported cars are made on a totally different ideal than a mustang or camaro. Handling is key, not ¼ mile times. So off the back we are talking apples to oranges.
The Subaru STI is a Modified WRX that cost more than the Lancer. To make it interesting they compared the two regardless of the big hp gap. But this still only made the STI .1 faster in the ¼ mile. And on the road the STI cannot hang. The STI was a direct answer to the EVO 8 coming to America. Because Subaru knows they are behind. They are rivals because Subaru can’t win a WRC while a Lancer is in competition. Something like 10 wins in a row for the EVO cars?
The 350Z is a good car and falls in the same price range as the Lancer but if you want to compare factory ¼ miles the Lancer eats that up too.

The EVO has options that can creep up the price to 35k. Not to mention the dealers making there killing off the eager who must have this car. Minus the Gauge cluster under the radio, hyper ground system, rear wing, sun roof, air dam options, and strut tower bar you come in right at 30 grand. Personally I think the way to go is to import an Evo 8. Same price but you don’t lose components like the active yaw system and such. Plus you can add the option of the titanium compressor wheel over the stock aluminum. And the best part, it actually makes it’s unofficial horsepower of closer to 300hp. 276 is for insurance claims and the under-enforced law in Japan about no street legal car being able to make more than that

Power bolt on to power bolt on does not equal ¼ mile times. One example is the Pruven 91 TSI AWD. It makes 527hp at the wheels. During the Ultimate Street Car Shootout. Cars were selected to compete in many events from road racing to the ¼ mile. Some odd contest like “best gas mileage” or “best emissions” also factored in. The Dodge Viper hit the Dyno at 541. Supra Hit the Dyno at 619. Well dyno numbers were useless when the Eclipse dominated the field with a 11.16 run

[AmericanEagle]

Originally Posted by Pennzoil GT-R

the examples you listed are more to do with quality of manufacture, and as i said before it is not a definite rule. Honda are very reliable no matter what car u talk about, whereas Chrysler are shit basically.

think about it, you have a 5.0 engine pushing 250 hp, so thats 50bhp/litre. now an engine can cope with that pretty easily yeh, no stress on the internals or anything. but if you take a 2.5 litre and tune it to 500hp, then it has 200bhp/litre, which means that each litre of capacity has to cope with the stress of 150hp more than the 5.0 engine.

Look at F1 cars, they string out every last hp (i think this years Williams makes around 875bhp) they can from a tiny little 3.0 engine. now you are telling me that they are gonna last you over 100,000 miles like many cars will/should. this IS an extreme example, and i cant stress enough that this rule doesnt always apply, but it is true in alot of cases.

All i have to say is. 24 hours at le mans

[95eclipse-gsx]

somebody plz stop this thread... i think my new thread is much more intresting... informative...and i guess it is also usefull

[Nalfein]

When it comes to a daily driving a car (ie: practicality and fuel economy) and track potential, you just can't beat what imports (whether 4 or six cyl.) have to offer over american V8s. Sure V8s can go faster but in this day and age the advantage goes to the import that can run 11s on the track and then turn down the boost and get 30 mpg. You get a v8 to run 11s or heck they could be running 15s they're still going to guzzle the gas.
Also, I think that because american manufacturors have such a huge displacement buffer, their don't have to put the effort into making efficient engines. Where as import car makers put a lot of effort into getting lots of power out of a smaller engine. IMO this makes american car makers lazy...
I mean look what happened when ford tried to build a compact car.... focus, five recalls in first year....
anyway thats my 2 cents....

PS compare the price performance ratio of a 94 vette to a 94 eclipse awd, i think you find that for 14 g you ll get ure ass whooped

[mr2mitch]

I feel you on that nikki man thier are alot of asses that have seen the fast and furious sega to much lol. but like these guys said if they paid fucking 13-15 for a 2g then damn they got ripped if they paid that for a 3rd then thats cool but thiers no turbo lol. I'm stationed at dyess afb in abilene tx and its a very small hick town with domestics out the ass but they repect us like we respect them even though we can stomp a whole in everyone of them not running a 150shot lol. but the point is I feel ya dont let those guys give you an impression cause its the wrong one.later
mitch

[What.]

Originally Posted by Nalfein

Also, I think that because american manufacturors have such a huge displacement buffer, their don't have to put the effort into making efficient engines. Where as import car makers put a lot of effort into getting lots of power out of a smaller engine. IMO this makes american car makers lazy...

American car makers aren't lazy, they're smart. WHY NOT make BIG ASS engines so that they can be easier to mod and more efficient. That is SMART.

If you ask me, sports cars overseas are overpriced and provide a less bang for the buck than American cars. Take the NSX for example..........

Face it folks, a Viper modded out-the-ass will beat ANY overseas production car of similar price range that is also heavily modded.

'Subaru WRX STi'
$31,000
300 hp
0-60: 4.8 secs

'Ford SVT Cobra'
$34,000
390 hp
0-60: 4.4 secs