Part 4: N/A or Forced Induction

[VTEC_boi]

Originally posted by Rice-Rocketeer
Hey johny boy...where are you?

Work..he'll be here later..

But..i think I can give some specs:

B20B block (i am correct in 'B' right?)
B17A crank (RR - you should be able to devine the R/S ratio from that I'm guessing)
9.5:1 CR - crap we lowered it! I'm with SolGuy WHY DIDN'T WE GET TO CHOOSE OUR CR?!?!?!?!??!!?!
CTR cams which i think was good - but with the lowered CR we're stupid....
B16A head - 'nuff said

So......I'm guessing we're at around...195@fly -- just because we don't really have a NA-built CRVTEC. If we got some higher CR pistons...even 10.6:1 We'd be very happy!

[delsolguy]

I guess we'll have to wait for CivSiGuy...I'm still curious on this:

This motor will have to be built. If we're getting new rods and pistons, WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE CHOOSE WHAT WE WANT??? *fuming*

Ok Ok calm down...there.

[Redcivic]

Okay, I just got a quote from importbuilders.com. $8,500.00 for this:

Package 2: Hydro LS/VTEC High Performance Changeover.
Comes with bran new axles, shift linkage, ECU, wire harness, stock mounts, complete motor. Tranny included.
This is a HIGH PERFORMANCE total rebuild package for those of you that are sick of getting used motors that don't last. This package includes Import Builders completely revamping the motor. New Probe Racing Forged Pistons 81.5MM, new Probe Racing Ultralite Rods, balanced crank, new bearings, new oil pump, new water pump, new timing belt, new alternator belt, new high performance valve train, new high performance cams, new adjustable cam gears, Mugen chipped ECU 9500 RPM rev limit OBD1, Fuel regulator, gauge, DC 4-1 JDM header, Iceman Intake, ITR intake manifold, new valve seals, new head gasket, new valve cover gasket, and new 6 puck Hyper clutch with new bearing. Shipping included.


That is absolutely ridiculous! $8,500.00 for 195WHP? Shit, I could buy a Type-R motor for $5,000.00, and Turbo charge it with the extra $3,500.00 I save. So, how much did we really pay for this CRVtec?

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by VTEC_boi
B17A crank (RR - you should be able to devine the R/S ratio from that I'm guessing)

It's extremely close to 1.75.

Ok I guess we need to take another look at our engine particulars. It was assumed for me this would stay NA. In my slightly buzzed state last night I was thinking of all these things and if we DO go turbo, we can keep the stock crank and use the money for other things.

We agreed on the engine but not the engine specifics. We need to take a look at the engine specifics as well. Like the rods and pistons for example.

But the 9.5:1 pistons are not a bad choice at for forced induction. If we go super low, we definitly FEEL the turbolag. But with higher comps, it'll slightly limit our top end but increase low end. But for NA applications, yeah 11.0:1 isn't such a bad choice.

For me it's just whether we should keep the 17 crank and that will inturn determine our rod choice.

[delsolguy]

So it seems to me that Chapter 3 ended a bit abruptly. :huh:

[piscorpio]

Ya, maybe we oversimplified this whole thing.

As far as the 9.5:1 CR for turbo, it may limit the top end like RR said, but I think a small turbo with low boost would be easier on our budget, and easier to deal with and manage. Our horsepower numbers are decent to begin with, so a little boost should make it very sweet. Id like to see a dyno on one of these engines, what kind of power are they making under the curve? Also, I thought this was the ultimate street Civic, something the common daily driver would be running, so an all out dragger isnt necessary, right?

Just to be sure, after the car and the CR-VTEC, how much money do we have left? I also had another idea, setting aside money to an "Ah, fuck!" fund. You know, something always seems to go wrong, and extra parts or service may need to be purchased....I dunno, depends on how real you want this to be I guess. Just an idea, if anyone cares.

[CivSiGuy]

here's the poll

[delsolguy]

Ok...so despite my whining I guess that we can't change the 9.5:1 comp ratio?

If we could, I'd be all for I/H/E and N20. But...since we can't...this makes the decision much harder.

[VTEC_boi]

de rev hard stage 2 ownz j00

[auke1]

Originally posted by piscorpio
Lets not get snippy or sidetracked by arguing, I think we all knew this thing would get into a heated discussion eventually. I think everyone has made valid points so far, so lets just discuss and see if we can come to a good compromise. Thats what I think we have set out to do, is set up a Civic that was good all around. Now, because of a limited budget, it will no doubt suffer in some areas more than others. The idea is to get the best bang for the buck, in all aspects, not just looks, not just power, and not just handling.

I think we must sit down and budget everything at once here. It does not seem like we can just go step by step, because by the end you know some things are going to get shorted. What we need is a plan boys!

Thats what I'd say. We do need to have a plan...we need to allot a certain amount of green for each step. We still have 4 stages to go after this one. I think moderation is the key. For example, we dont need a top of the line deluxe stereo with a 500 dollar head...something decent will work. Also, most stages wont cost as much money as what this one, and the motor stages are costing us (about 4,000 a piece). Wheels, tires, and suspension is about 4000 as well, but the interior, body kit and such shouldnt cost over 4000 (In my opinion)

If you disagree with anything i've said, please be kind...

and if that doesnt work, then fuck you

[auke1]

oh, and btw...put me in for a vortech supercharger...

[piscorpio]

Is the DRAG and Revhard our only turbo options? What else can fit this thing? This is where I get lost when it comes to this CR-VTEC engine.
I was hoping for a smaller cheaper turbo option (like the GReddy for Si's, you can get the kit and intercooler for less than the DRAG or Revhard on modacar.com...Im sure if I shop around I could find it even cheaper). And I am still skeptical when it comes to those kits, I sometimes think you could call Turbonetics and order up your own custom kit for cheaper. (Just a thought, I really have not tried.)

[D16 V-TEC]

Compared the the DRAG turbo, my previous JRSC idea just totally sucks . Lets get the DRAG kit and run stock boost ^_^.

[ric]

let me just remind anyone voting for the vortech or jrsc with nos that this will most likely be a dangerous option as it will put us over the brink of the fuel systems capabilities.

[delsolguy]

And a standalone EMS is not an option with our budget.

I vote for I/H/E w/N20. Cheap and quick.