R35GTR-the suspense is over?

[R33]

One dude (don't remember his name), on this board beat a Mucerliago (can't spell the name) the ther day in a skyline. The total cost of the skyline was probably less that the Mucerliago. See what I'm tryin to say? This is just what I feel, not what nissian way do.

Yup, that's me! My car plus all its mods cost about 8Ok USD. The Murciellago costs...dunno the price in the US but over here it cost about USD 315k. The point is I don't care that my car is not a Murciellago..I still spank it on the track.

[Drkcloud]

Originally posted by R33
I still spank it on the track.

Werd

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by flylwsi
whoa there...
the gt-r isn't a car in and of itself.

never was.

it's a version of the skyline line.

the gt-r is the topend performance version. don't forget that older skylines don't all have awd. don't all have turbos. don't all have 2 doors. don't all have 6 cyl motors.

the gt-r will be the performance version of the current "skyline" which is the infiniti g35.

so... it won't be that expensive, the chassis here, crash tested and what not. it's not as completely different as everyone wants to make it.

everyone says "skyline is god", well, what about the 4cyl n/a 4 door that some guy in japan drives daily. is it god too?

no. it's about the gt-r. specifically. don't forget that

it's like the gt and cobra versions of the mustang... there's still a base model v6 down there too...

the gt-r isn't unlike the cobra or zo6 in that respect, as it's a version of the same car...

Agreed.

[darkness]

Originally posted by flylwsi
whoa there...
the gt-r isn't a car in and of itself.

never was.

it's a version of the skyline line.

the gt-r is the topend performance version. don't forget that older skylines don't all have awd. don't all have turbos. don't all have 2 doors. don't all have 6 cyl motors.

the gt-r will be the performance version of the current "skyline" which is the infiniti g35.

so... it won't be that expensive, the chassis here, crash tested and what not. it's not as completely different as everyone wants to make it.

everyone says "skyline is god", well, what about the 4cyl n/a 4 door that some guy in japan drives daily. is it god too?

no. it's about the gt-r. specifically. don't forget that

it's like the gt and cobra versions of the mustang... there's still a base model v6 down there too...

the gt-r isn't unlike the cobra or zo6 in that respect, as it's a version of the same car...

Ok let me repeat myself again. yes the chassis is the same as the g35(skyline) but

The Skyline brand and GT-R model have been split up. It is no longer called the Skyline GT-R, it is just the GT-R.

Part of the reason for this being marketing. The skyline does not exist as a marketed brand of Nissan USA. therefor having the top end performance model without the rest of the range is kinda silly. So the brands have been split.

So the us will have the g35 and then the hig performance GT-R. The skyline brand will not appear.

[flylwsi]

so you just said what i did..

it's based on the same car, and is basically an extension of it...

skyline's not a brand. it's a car. fallible, just like everything else.

the gt-r is the same as an svt cobra r, if you wanna go that route. no real mention of mustang or ford, just a cobra.

but in the long run, it's still based on the same basic car...

[Whitebread]

Originally posted by R33

Yup, that's me! My car plus all its mods cost about 8Ok USD. The Murciellago costs...dunno the price in the US but over here it cost about USD 315k. The point is I don't care that my car is not a Murciellago..I still spank it on the track.

See, this is what I'm talkin bout.

R33, nice drivin, and nice car

[R33]

R33, nice drivin, and nice car

Thanks mate...

[HellBent]

From what I have seen of the new GT-R concepts, it will not just be a souped up G35. The sheet metal (..or plastic) is almost completely different. There are probably some frame mods as well. The interior will most likely be very different as well. My understanding is that the new GT-R uses the same platform as both the 350Z and G35 coupe, but that is where the similarities end.

The large difference here is in the number of new parts. The sheetmetal, interior, brakes, engine, tranny, and systems will all be different. THIS IS BIG BUCKS! The Z06 and Cobra only have minor cosmetic changes and usually less options. Hell, GM was unwilling to add a new bumper cover or fascia for the Z06 as it would be cost prohibitive. Even the Corvettes 30th aniversary edition only got stickers, and new shocks!

On the Cobra and Z06 the interiors as well as most mechanicals are identical to their base models. These cars cost almost $10,000 more in both cases. Even the BMW M series price about the same way over their base versions. The price mark-up is a matter of necessity, as making a short run of speciality vehicles on a standard production line is complex.
There is down time for the switch in models, additional training of personnel, higher quality standards, new technical manuals, new contracts with suppliers, design costs, impact studies, new marketing, new advertising, focus groups etc...

All this is horribly complex, time consuming, and expensive. In the end the cost must be absorbed by a much smaller number of vehicles. A good description of this process can be read in "All Corvettes are Red" and another similar book about the New Mustang (I forget the title...).

In the end, the new GT-R will price at least slightly higher than the R34 ( which was about $50k USD new). It wil be a limited run, as there are only a finite number of people who will purchase a $50k + 400HP sports car. Nissan (Infiniti) will be competing for a portion of an already small market. They will be up against a New Viper, and the new C6 vette, plus some other new specialty cars such as the Audi RS8 tt. The primary buyer will not be a 16-21 year old "Fast and the furious fan" but a 40 - 50 year old who is doing well financially. Interestinly people in this age group are not as enthrawled with Japanese sports cars as are younger people. You have to remember that buyers in this age group covet the cars of their youth, which are primarily large displacement American V-8 sports cars. (I believe this is what killed of the original Japanese sports car invasion). So I will stick to my guess of at least $60k but maybe as high as $80k.

Al

[Pick]

The guys in their 40's and 50's today covet the big displacement V-8's today because they are similar in a way to the 60's and 70's muslecars they wanted and never got. I think, however, with the stopped production of the trans-am and camaro, and the introduction of a whole new line of Japanese sports cars, the GT-R will be in bigger demand than ever, even though the price is significantly higher than an F-body car or enen a Vette.

[SledgehammerVette]

In Japan the Skyline costs $60K!!? Damn I thought it was more like $30K to $40K.

[darkness]

Originally posted by HellBent
From what I have seen of the new GT-R concepts, it will not just be a souped up G35. The sheet metal (..or plastic) is almost completely different. There are probably some frame mods as well. The interior will most likely be very different as well. My understanding is that the new GT-R uses the same platform as both the 350Z and G35 coupe, but that is where the similarities end.

you managed to say what I couldn't.

The GTR has nothing to do with skyline anymore, it's a different car.

[Pick]

SLedgehammer, you from Maryville? I'm from Knoxville, always nice to see a local on here. Sorry boys, a bit off topic.

[Whitebread]

Originally posted by R33

Thanks mate...

anytime

[HellBent]

Don't get me wrong. I believe the new GT-R will be in very big demand! As a matter of fact, I believe that as with all new sports cars the demand will out-strip production. This will also probally mean that the dealers will add a nice mark-up to the already high price!

I think the new GT-R will actually do well, but it will be just one segment of a small nitch market. Think about the fact that it will only grab a small slice of the market share pie, in the growing super-car market. It will have to compete against: the Porsche, Viper, Corvette, NSX, (possibly Mustang Cobra), maybe a New Supra, Audi's RS8 tt, and of course the ever present BMW M series, and Mercedes' AMGs. I am sure I am missing several others as well. Not to mention all the high end candy like Ferrarri and Lambo...

To make a long story short, I can't wait to see the new GT-R! I hope it comes in cheaper than $65,000 as it will help raise the bar of performance in the USA. Unfortunately I don't think it will be dubbed as a budget racer, unless your idea of affordable is between $60k - $80k.

Al

[Neutrino]

Ok before this gets out of hand lets remember that 90% of this is simply guesswork. so 65-80K or 30-50k we will just find out when nissan lets the word get out.