The Import Scene

[Jimbo_Jones]

personally.. i dont think the 8's have anything to aorry about... i dont mean to say that 4's are bad in any way, its just that a little rice cooker will never 'out torque' a 350 big block or 440 hemi

anywayz... if someone running a 4-5 second quarter in a civic or something like that is definately gonna kill some spectators... maybe these engines are hard tuned, but their not prepared for the stresses of working at over 8000, the little shoping trolleys are bound to shoot there glowing hot pistons onto an innocent veiwing public

[JasonAccord98LX]

Originally posted by Jimbo_Jones
maybe these engines are hard tuned, but their not prepared for the stresses of working at over 8000, the little shoping trolleys are bound to shoot there glowing hot pistons onto an innocent veiwing public

Many of honda's 4cyl engines come from the factory with 8k RPM or near redlines. Like Integra GSR's Type R's, Civic SI's, and of course the S2k, which turns 9 grand. It's actually not that hard to build up an honda 4cyl so that it can turn 8-10k RPM all day long. You just have to have the righ materials and some knowledge under your belt.

[Jimbo_Jones]

i'll accept that... but i still dont think that 8's (in a drag racing perspective) have anything to worry about, the small fours arent throwing enough weight in the pistons

[76_cobra]

I agree not all imports should be considered "Rice" and i also agree that import sports cars do have potential, but civics and other economy cars DO NOT have potential they are only economy cars. the import sports cars do have potential such as the supra, vr4, s2000, wrx etc..., but they cost a lot of money, and even more to upgrade. My engine, 5.0L v8, cost me $600 and it can run 13's n/a look at most all n/a import sports cars and they have a hard time running 14's and they cost a lot. The vr4 is impressive, but it takes twin turbos on a v6 to do what my $600 used crate motor can do n/a. it's not that imports are evolving they're just getting smaller look at the wrx, and s2000 not much real horsepower, but very light. I know a guy who built a racing civic and it gets 11's, but every three runs he has to rebuild the engine, I don't even know how many engines he has gone through with that car.

[1989CivicSi]

Its fun to make a slow car fast, its fun to make an ugly car look cool

if we all liked the same things THEN THIS WHOLE FUCKING WORLD WOULD SUCK

people have different taste and they will always have diff. taste so quit bitching about how hondas suck b/c me and all the other honda owners will not sell it b/c you dont like it

im so sick of all these people going around "imports suck" shut the fuck up and go drive your car and turn your head b/c im sick of your little ass always complaining like your goin to do something. I hate mustangs but guess what? i dont say that i dont go around and say they are pieces of shit that get shitty gas mileage, suck in autocrossing, and they break down to fucking much.

i bought my honda for 4 simples reasons
i get 35mpg
my weight distribution is 50/50
my car weighs 2200lbs
and the fucker has 165k miles on it and its still has no problems

reply and keep on saying shit................its to early (3:58am)
im out

[JD@af]

Originally posted by 1989CivicSi


i bought my honda for 4 simples reasons
i get 35mpg
my weight distribution is 50/50
my car weighs 2200lbs
and the fucker has 165k miles on it and its still has no problems

I hate to flame, but these kind of mixed up facts is what gets import, and most commonly Honda drivers labeled as punks and riceboys. Your Civic does not have a 50/50 weight distribution. Not unless you have enough stereo equipment in back to off-set the weight up front of your engine and transmission (and if you do have that much stereo equipment in back, your car sure don't weigh 2,200 lbs). Most or all FWD Hondas range from 60/40 to 64/36.

You will note if you research this carefully that FWD cars do not have a 50/50 weight distribution by design. Just as rear engine, RWD drive cars do not either. Look up some Porsche 911 stats, and as well as they handle, you will see that they usually tip the scales at around a 38/62 distribution. Front engine, RWD drive cars handle and function well with a 50/50 weight distribtion. This is why you see every car that BMW makes, as well as the Honda S2000, with this weight distribution or something very close to it; cars like the Corvette and Viper come close to this as well.

Originally posted by Jimbo_Jones
personally.. i dont think the 8's have anything to aorry about... i dont mean to say that 4's are bad in any way, its just that a little rice cooker will never 'out torque' a 350 big block or 440 hemi

anywayz... if someone running a 4-5 second quarter in a civic or something like that is definately gonna kill some spectators... maybe these engines are hard tuned, but their not prepared for the stresses of working at over 8000, the little shoping trolleys are bound to shoot there glowing hot pistons onto an innocent veiwing public

This article should silence your skepticisim about what “four bangers” can do at the drag strip when prepped for top fuel duty, just like 8-liter V8's.

http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0202tur_extremeedge/

[hybridsol]

Originally posted by Dark Horse
I'm gettin so sick of people talking about the "Import Scene" who gives a flying fuck.
Maybe some of the little rice burners are in the 8's, but how many of them are street legal? There are THOUSANDS of Camaros and Mustangs runnin around the country with low 8 second E.T's I myself am gettin there (9.89 @ 142) And it takes twice the money to get a fuggin rice burner into the 8's as it does a domestic. In conclusion...F.U.C.K Rice!

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bullshit.......show me an 8 sec. camero thats street legal.......just show me one. i don't see many of those driving around, where do you live?

[hybridsol]

Originally posted by 76_cobra
I agree not all imports should be considered "Rice" and i also agree that import sports cars do have potential, but civics and other economy cars DO NOT have potential they are only economy cars. the import sports cars do have potential such as the supra, vr4, s2000, wrx etc..., but they cost a lot of money, and even more to upgrade. My engine, 5.0L v8, cost me $600 and it can run 13's n/a look at most all n/a import sports cars and they have a hard time running 14's and they cost a lot. The vr4 is impressive, but it takes twin turbos on a v6 to do what my $600 used crate motor can do n/a. it's not that imports are evolving they're just getting smaller look at the wrx, and s2000 not much real horsepower, but very light. I know a guy who built a racing civic and it gets 11's, but every three runs he has to rebuild the engine, I don't even know how many engines he has gone through with that car.

how bout CRX's? and your friend is having serious problems if he has to rebuid the motor that many times.

[Supra650RSP]

Dark Horse,
Let's see a scanned timeslip and let's hear some of these mods. 9.8's and a 142 trap speed? That seems a bit slow for a trap speed at that E.T. but I could be wrong. Lord knows I've been wrong before. If you wanna play with "rice" let me know. I'll run on street tires or I can put on some slicks. By the way, I even have the fully stock interior and the a/c. But I'm always in a playful mood and I think you'll be impressed by my weak little straight six

[BLU CIVIC]

I DON'T GET TIHS WHOLE THING WITH COMPARING V8'S TO 4 CYLINDERS.............SURE UR V8 CAN PUT OUT AN IMPRESSIVE NUMBER BUT I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WHEN A 4 CYLINDER DOES IT, IT'S MORE OF AN ACCOMPLISHMENT B/C IT'S A 4 CYLINDER.....I THINK THAT 4 CYLINDER HAVE COME A LONG WAY AND ITZ TRUE THAT MUSCLE CARS ARE JUST REPEATING B/C FATHERS OF NOW RACERS HAVE BEEN DOING IT....BUT AS IMPORTS GO.....THEY'RE SOMETHING NEW....TRUE U MY ALL THEM RICERS...BUT DON'T U THINK ANOTHER TERM WAS USED WHEN IT WAS JUST MUSTANGS AND CAMEROS THAT LITTERED THE STREETS?? A 4CYLINDER MAKING JUST 300BHP WASN'T EVEN IMAGINED A FEW SHORT YEARS AGO...

AND I'M SURE MOST OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN THIS IN HOTROD MAGAZINE http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/22838/index.html

[SVTerminator]

Originally posted by Frostbyte


A Mustang GT running 9's?

If you would get your head out of import tuner and look in other car mags, like Muscle Mustang and Fast Fords or Mustang 5.0, you will see that there are plenty of street legal mustangs running 9's. They do write ups on a couple every month. There are way more 9's street legal American muscle cars than there are 9's street legal Supras or Skylines.
Sorry but it's the truth.

As for Mustangs not being able to handle, I guess you don't ever watch the Rolex Sports Car series do you? Almost every kind of sports car in world from 350z's,NSX's,Ferrari 360's, to Daytona prototype racecars compete on the same road course in 3 different classes. The first and only car to pass a Daytona prototype racecar and hold the lead for more than a lap was Boris Said in a Mustang.

I like imports as well and own a 1997 Acura Integra. I don't agree that imports suck in any way. I actually drove only imports until about a year ago. I bought a Cobra about a year ago and love it better than any car I have ever owned. It has gobs of hp and can take corners better than my integra, so it handles great.

[SVTerminator]

'03 Cobras have been out about a year and are already doing this:

http://www.cobrar.net/vid/NitroPete999.wmv

[JekylandHyde]

[90redgt]

Originally posted by 1989CivicSi

i bought my honda for 4 simples reasons
i get 35mpg
my weight distribution is 50/50
my car weighs 2200lbs
and the fucker has 165k miles on it and its still has no problems

reply and keep on saying shit................its to early (3:58am)
im out

#1: I dont' know of ANY car with a perfect 50/50 weight distribution
#2: My car has 175K miles on it and has no problems big deal...
#3: This is not a flame, just makin' a couple of points to you i do not wish to get into a verbal fight/argument with ya, tryin' to keep it semi friendly in here.

[BLU CIVIC]

M3 and possibly the M5 has perfect 50/50 weight ratio...can i afford one