Part 4: N/A or Forced Induction

[VTEC_boi]

We already have the CTR cams..and i have heard Toda's are difficult to tune...

But..we'll make do with what we have!

So...i still say i/h/e call it a day...maybe a V-AFC and some tuning...if one is BENT on DRAG you can buy a damn nitrous system... maybe some cam gears.....

O yeah..i can assure everyone that Jon does not do crack. He's a heroine man j/k j/k

[Redcivic]

Oh, so moderators know all then? Whatever. I may be new here son, but I have owned modded imports since 92', and have owned and tuned 2 nissan Z's (82' Turbo, and a 90' TT), 1 93' Z28(blah!), have had two different turbo set-ups on my civic and two motors . I am probably the only 93' civic owner on this board that has actually owned his civic since it was new. I'm just saying that if the car is N/A with bolt-ons, it won't be fast. Period. Sounds to me like some of you guys just wanna build a show car that will only run with stock WRX's and such.

[VTEC_boi]

No, moderators do not no all.

But they do know something and it was implicated in your post that CivSiGuy knew nothing.
I defend my friends and especially when they are correct.

Are Civic TYpe-R cams bolt ons?
Is a 2.0L block bolt on?

Wow..i'd love to live in that world

[piscorpio]

Lets not get snippy or sidetracked by arguing, I think we all knew this thing would get into a heated discussion eventually. I think everyone has made valid points so far, so lets just discuss and see if we can come to a good compromise. Thats what I think we have set out to do, is set up a Civic that was good all around. Now, because of a limited budget, it will no doubt suffer in some areas more than others. The idea is to get the best bang for the buck, in all aspects, not just looks, not just power, and not just handling.

I think we must sit down and budget everything at once here. It does not seem like we can just go step by step, because by the end you know some things are going to get shorted. What we need is a plan boys!

[CivSiGuy]

Originally posted by Redcivic
Oh, so moderators know all then?

its your own opinion to form.

I'll tell you right now that I don't know a damn thing about car audio or suspension. Does that make everyone a lil happier?

And I stand behind countless dyno results, late nights the internet researching, and more time into this forum than 1/10 of the people here will ever see.

I don't stand behind the cars I've owned. Cuz I only have had 1. But I have a car background that is damn vast for a 17 year old. I'm 17 years old.. ok 17. Don't like it? Petition the owner of this place. igor@af - PM him and tell him you don't like a 17 year old kid who knows nothing running the 92+ Civic forum. But I can tell you right now for that 1 PM that you send him, he'll get 10 PM's sent that stand behind me for what I know and what I do for this place.

I don't mean to go off on people but when you just show up trying to be all hard behind the cars you have, it really hits a nerve cuz I know too many people with fine ass rides that don't even know what VTEC is or what that thing is that goes ppsssssst under their hood. I'm not saying that it is you, Redcivic, but I don't appreciate being singled out and getting called stupid over a post that makes complete sence and is correct to nearly every other person in this forum and everyone in the Honda community.

Posting something like "that sounds a lil high, could I see some dyno's to prove that" would be a tad bit more professional than "CivSiGuy, you are smoking crack if you think I/H/E gets you 25HP" and "You've been reading too many ads". See where I'm coming from?

If you want to get anywhere with these boards at all, let's be a lil respectful. Especially to the people who made this board what it is. OK?

[CivSiGuy]

to everyone else..

please don't think i'm going off on everyone. But lets try to work it out as a group. The above post shows what can go on when people start getting all stupid with other people. and i'm gonna throw the redflag on my own post with this..


learn from what I just did.. and lets all try to get along.

I will post a poll tomorrow if things mellow a bit

[delsolguy]

I totally did not see the CTR cams. My bad.

Okay then...how about I/H/E and a 75 shot? Nitrous = power and show appeal.

[CivSiGuy]

Originally posted by delsolguy
I totally did not see the CTR cams. My bad.

Okay then...how about I/H/E and a 75 shot? Nitrous = power and show appeal.

i dunno man.. the more I think about it. $3,000 for a turbo. Sparq can get us competition ready on ICE for less than $2,000. We have alot more money to play with than we think. Besides, NOS runs out.. turbo power doesnt.

[ric]

Originally posted by CivSiGuy


i dunno man.. the more I think about it. $3,000 for a turbo. Sparq can get us competition ready on ICE for less than $2,000. We have alot more money to play with than we think. Besides, NOS runs out.. turbo power doesnt.

a brilliant flash of light occured, and the seas began to calm, the skys removed themselves of clouds. behold the vision of absolut truth stands at the gates of your reality

thank you. cause three grand is not biblical in stature to the relative cost of engine upogrades.

it just amazing to me that day after day we bitch and moan about our cars being so slow and always dream that we can run wiht the best of them and at the point of opportunity we give it all up so we can continure to look good. show is great but overlooking the basic need for speed is painfully wrong. to skimp of the one thing that makes us the most hated group of car owners only plays to the crowd like it has done so many times before. and we wonder why domestic guys hate us so much....its because we comprimise our bite for more bark. 3000 is a small price to pay for the personal gratification that will be rewarded in the end.....the ends truely do justify the means. but damn, now we wont be able to get a our body kit molded, or get a set of volk's.

11,500 - 3,000 = 8500 if you cant bling your ride out for 8500 then something is seriously wrong.

[Redcivic]

I love You guys This kind of stuff is what it's all about. Oh, and I just want to say Amen to i like naked girls on the previous post.

[Rice-Rocketeer]

No offense to anyone especially my friend Rick here but I'd like to politely give my opinion on that and then I'll agree to whatever the majority goes with.

I wouldn't mind at all getting a turbo for this thing but like I said before, I don't want to make compromises. Most of us may bitch and moan about how our cars are slow because we run 17 second 1320 times. We ALREADY have a high 13 second car here. I can garauntee you that if everyone in this forum had a 13 second car, they'd be ALOT less bitching and more big-headedness about how they can beat so and so. Like you said rick, you're happy, although you wouldn't mind more. Cause you already have a decently quick car. As I've always said, if you want to run with the best, don't start with the worst.

If I had a 13sec civic as my daily driver, I'd be tha happiest fucker in this county. I'd enjoy seeing the faces of surprise and delight everyday as I'd meet or beat most f-bodies, lightnings, stangs, ect. I even know of some stang/camaro clubs that would actually let me join. Run with stock WRX's? Damn, an NA economy car can run with a turbocharged up-the-ass 4wd sports car. If you ask me, that ain't that fuck'n bad.

The reason I'm not obsessing about speed with any civic is because I know it's place in the food chain. If I had money and wanted speed, I'd start with a better car.

Now that I'm at peace, let's just get on with voting.

[Redcivic]

Okay, I read back and I think I found the info on this CRVTEC motor but correct me if I'm wrong.


225HP right or wrong? Is it the CRVtec Dominator? Can someone post the exact specs.


And this whole time I'm thinking it's just regular frankenstein with CTR Cams, and JE pistons and rods. I apologize. I was thinking 180 or so HP on this motor. Yeah, I think a 225HP civic is a good start and could be quick if we don't go wild on ICE and interior.

[delsolguy]

I'd like a bit more info on the motor. I reread the last Chapter, but apparently I'm still missing something. Who are we buying this engine from? Why can't we specify what internals we're getting?

[madtownhonda]

what are the damn specs on this engine....I need one of you bastards to fill me in:finger:

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Hey johny boy...where are you?