Some of you Honda boys Confuse me...

[superbluecivicsi]

God Damn, this thread is still going. if you wanna be all show n no go. FINE. If ya wanna b all go n no show. thats fine too. If ya wanna b all show with a go. Thats even better. As for me. im just gonna go get me a lil old civic hb or crx (maybe even a fiesta or geo metro). that way i can have an econo car to drive to school n work n to save some gas. As for my si, imma just mod it more wit some saved gas money, let it sit n my garage, n drool over it. If ya find a lil geo metro hittin ya racers up on the street and see that its a Rice Boy driven, keep ya heads up, cause im all stock, lemme get into fourth gear first before you take off on me

[911GT2]

Being all show isn't a terrible thing in itself. That's just a personal preference.

But acting like your car's the shit when all it has is eurotails and a fucking wings west kit is homo.

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally posted by 911GT2
Being all show isn't a terrible thing in itself. That's just a personal preference.

But acting like your car's the shit when all it has is eurotails and a fucking wings west kit is homo.

I have to agree with that. A car that looks fast but really isn't will get laughed at if it tries to ACT fast. Just doesn't work very well unless you're racing a Hummer or something like that.

On the same token, some cars look fast and may not be in a straight line, but are in other areas where it counts such as handling. Basically put, sure many cars can hand me my ass, but at least half of them probably couldn't keep up with me once the road goes from straight, to curvey and windy.

[911GT2]

Originally posted by SilverY2KCivic


I have to agree with that. A car that looks fast but really isn't will get laughed at if it tries to ACT fast. Just doesn't work very well unless you're racing a Hummer or something like that.

On the same token, some cars look fast and may not be in a straight line, but are in other areas where it counts such as handling. Basically put, sure many cars can hand me my ass, but at least half of them probably couldn't keep up with me once the road goes from straight, to curvey and windy.

I can appreciate handling moreso than acceleration, but the stock Civic is no shrine of handling in itself. Aftermarket goodies can help, but they can also greatly help the "shitty handling" domestics like the F-bodies, which Civic drivers are constantly slamming for handling shitty. A live rear axle, while not helping handling, certainly doesn't hurt it as bad as FWD does (and let's not get into that argument, it's proven and YES THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS).

The Civic started as an econobox and while the double wishbone examples do handle better, overpowered Civics handle rotten because of the terrible understeer.

[hybridsol]

Originally posted by Rein


I hear ya man. Once you go german, cant go back.
deutsche Autos sind das beste

Sie werden, nach es bricht unten.

[hybridsol]

Originally posted by 911GT2


I can appreciate handling moreso than acceleration, but the stock Civic is no shrine of handling in itself. Aftermarket goodies can help, but they can also greatly help the "shitty handling" domestics like the F-bodies, which Civic drivers are constantly slamming for handling shitty. A live rear axle, while not helping handling, certainly doesn't hurt it as bad as FWD does (and let's not get into that argument, it's proven and YES THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS).

The Civic started as an econobox and while the double wishbone examples do handle better, overpowered Civics handle rotten because of the terrible understeer.

You seem to be rather against civic's/ Honda in general, why? I can understand your frustration with exterior non-performance after market modification (but to each his or her own). Was it really necessary to start a thread about it? It seems to me that your just trying to anger other member's who own civic's and choose to change the appearance (and its not all honda's) I've seen eclipse's to mustang's to M3's. Also not all civic's were built for economy use as there primary function, there were and are models built with a sport car design.
There are two main differences between the handling traits of FWD and RWD. The main difference is due to where power is applied. RWD cars have a tendency towards oversteer through excessive power, whereas FWD cars tend towards understeer as you mentioned. weight distribution also plays a hand in this age old argument. A FWD car has all it's running gear with the front axle where the RWD car also has running gear at the rear. Take in mind that weight enter's into either of the vehicles acceleration and maneuverability, and in most cases the FWD car is lighter.

[crankwalk 2g]

Also not all civic's were built for economy use as there primary function, there were and are models built with a sport car design.

Unless they sell Civic TYPE-Rs where you are the are no sporty civics in north america. Also a sports car design dosen't make it a sports car, if a Corvette had a 1.6 I4 SOHC under the hood I can guarantee it would not be considered a sports car.

[911GT2]

Originally posted by hybridsol

You seem to be rather against civic's/ Honda in general, why? I can understand your frustration with exterior non-performance after market modification (but to each his or her own). Was it really necessary to start a thread about it? It seems to me that your just trying to anger other member's who own civic's and choose to change the appearance (and its not all honda's) I've seen eclipse's to mustang's to M3's. Also not all civic's were built for economy use as there primary function, there were and are models built with a sport car design.
There are two main differences between the handling traits of FWD and RWD. The main difference is due to where power is applied. RWD cars have a tendency towards oversteer through excessive power, whereas FWD cars tend towards understeer as you mentioned. weight distribution also plays a hand in this age old argument. A FWD car has all it's running gear with the front axle where the RWD car also has running gear at the rear. Take in mind that weight enter's into either of the vehicles acceleration and maneuverability, and in most cases the FWD car is lighter.

It's really quite hard to define my position. I do like Civics, I drive a 2001 myself, so that's not it. I do hate body mods with a passion, and it usually applies most often to Civics which is why I posted here. And I definitely endorse sinking money into real performance mods. But then on the other hand, I can list 10 cars in which the money would go much farther.

And every Civic sold in North America came with the main purpose of being an economy car. That's no secret. Yeah, the Si was a little sportier, but was still the econo-pseudosportscar. It was always a compromise, although a decent one.

And FWD is often lighter because of the lack of a need for a driveshaft. Or at least one that's very long. Also, suspension setups for RWD (LRA specifically) are often heavier. Also, FWD cars are generally low powered because of the terrible traits high-powered front drivers seem to have. Low power=smaller engines=less weight.

And I started this thread to attempt to see the other side. That attempt horribly failed, because the core of the people here this was aimed at just spouted off inane insults.

[superbluecivicsi]

instigating, all the hating. haters haters haters. still, u hate body mods and high performance wanna bes with a PASSION? if u hate em that much, u should contact all the companies that make aftermarket products for all those econo cars u hate so much. let them know how u feel. they might see ur point of view n go, "Awwwwwwwww, that guy 911gt has a good point." You sound like an intelligent dude. Some advice from one guy with a passion to another, "You shouldnt direct ur passion on hatin, it instigates others to hate, put ur passion elsewhere, maybe somewhere more positive. I LOVE AFTERMARKET MODS. Im a RICER n GoTs Lots of Passionate LoVin. :sun:

[hybridsol]

Originally posted by crankwalk 2g


Unless they sell Civic TYPE-Rs where you are the are no sporty civics in north america. Also a sports car design dosen't make it a sports car, if a Corvette had a 1.6 I4 SOHC under the hood I can guarantee it would not be considered a sports car.

What about the 6th gen civic si? Contrary to what you believe honda's produce outstanding power utilizing less cylinder's and less displacement. By utilizing a short stroke and a large bore / (high RPM). Let me familiarize you with honda engineering in comparison to domestic muscle (since you bring up the corvette). Most muscle car engines have been built for torque, rather than horsepower. As a rule, larger bore equals more horsepower, while a longer stroke equals more torque. A long stroke allows the engine to produce power for a longer period of time which equals more torque. Torque is never a bad thing to have but there is a drawback to a long stroke, b/c the piston must travel a longer distance, there is a physical limit to how many RPM's the engine can achieve. Now an engine with a large bore and short stroke will produce less overall torque, but has the ability to reach much higher RPM's, and more HP overall, using a lower displacement. Honda's utilize this technology- having the ability to rev much higher than most other automotives. Meaning that a honda won't accelerate as quickly right off the line as a domestic, but they are able to accelerate for longer in the same gear (9,000 rpm redline vs. a 5,500 rpm redline for example). Just b/c a car has a lower displacement and less cylinders than another car dosen't mean its not a sport car.

Originally posted by 911GT2

It's really quite hard to define my position. I do like Civics, I drive a 2001 myself, so that's not it. I do hate body mods with a passion, and it usually applies most often to Civics which is why I posted here. And I definitely endorse sinking money into real performance mods. But then on the other hand, I can list 10 cars in which the money would go much farther.

And every Civic sold in North America came with the main purpose of being an economy car. That's no secret. Yeah, the Si was a little sportier, but was still the econo-pseudosportscar. It was always a compromise, although a decent one.

And FWD is often lighter because of the lack of a need for a driveshaft. Or at least one that's very long. Also, suspension setups for RWD (LRA specifically) are often heavier. Also, FWD cars are generally low powered because of the terrible traits high-powered front drivers seem to have. Low power=smaller engines=less weight.

And I started this thread to attempt to see the other side. That attempt horribly failed, because the core of the people here this was aimed at just spouted off inane insults.

I find that honda products are reliable, and more cost efficient than most cars. But I would love to read your list of automotives in which "the money would go much further". Lets say a 4 grand 10 sec car?

my Civic has 355hp at 270lbs of torque and I have minimal problems (I can keep up with an M3 on windy roads). Just b/c the engine is smaller does not necessary mean less power. Although I will agree that RWD has its benefits, but you encounter drawbacks with either.

Some ppl like to modify the exterior of there car, and its not just honda's. I've seen many different automobiles with the same exterior modifications you described. Honestly I don't see a purpose for modifying the exterior either, but for those who do more power to you. Its their car and they can do what they want with it. Who are you to criticize what they think looks good? (Your title alone prevoke's flaming)

[DblOvrhedCamron]

Originally posted by hybridsol

What about the 6th gen civic si? Contrary to what you believe honda's produce outstanding power utilizing less cylinder's and less displacement. By utilizing a short stroke and a large bore / (high RPM). Let me familiarize you with honda engineering in comparison to domestic muscle (since you bring up the corvette). Most muscle car engines have been built for torque, rather than horsepower. As a rule, larger bore equals more horsepower, while a longer stroke equals more torque. A long stroke allows the engine to produce power for a longer period of time which equals more torque. Torque is never a bad thing to have but there is a drawback to a long stroke, b/c the piston must travel a longer distance, there is a physical limit to how many RPM's the engine can achieve. Now an engine with a large bore and short stroke will produce less overall torque, but has the ability to reach much higher RPM's, and more HP overall, using a lower displacement. Honda's utilize this technology- having the ability to rev much higher than most other automotives. Meaning that a honda won't accelerate as quickly right off the line as a domestic, but they are able to accelerate for longer in the same gear (9,000 rpm redline vs. a 5,500 rpm redline for example). Just b/c a car has a lower displacement and less cylinders than another car dosen't mean its not a sport car.
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I find that honda products are reliable, and more cost efficient than most cars. But I would love to read your list of automotives in which "the money would go much further". Lets say a 4 grand 10 sec car?

my Civic has 355hp at 270lbs of torque and I have minimal problems (I can keep up with an M3 on windy roads). Just b/c the engine is smaller does not necessary mean less power. Although I will agree that RWD has its benefits, but you encounter drawbacks with either.

Some ppl like to modify the exterior of there car, and its not just honda's. I've seen many different automobiles with the same exterior modifications you described. Honestly I don't see a purpose for modifying the exterior either, but for those who do more power to you. Its their car and they can do what they want with it. Who are you to criticize what they think looks good? (Your title alone prevoke's flaming)

OWNED....

not much to add to that, but I will add this. What kind of response did you expect to get from those ppl who rice out there car? They do it cause they think it looks cool, why else would they? I mean what did you think the yard gnomes told them to do it? It was paul walker, vin diesel and a sticker crazy orange supra.

[casperGSR]

just wanted to throw this in... I have altezzas, a body kit and yes a wing... I also run 10 lbs daily and once I get my new engine management unit will turn that up to 12 daily and 18 at the track... the first thing I bought for my car were the taillights and as much as anybody wants to hate on them I like the way they look and that's all that matters... personally I don't like the idea of all show and no go and that's why I try to balance it out, unless you'll building the car up to be in big time car shows, but to each there own and I won't hate on someone for doing what they want to their car unless it really is ridiculous like a cardboard wing or something... why do people put body kits and wings on their cars? cause we live in a free damn country and can do whatever we want to our cars... and keep this in mind, most of the cars that you'll see on the road are ongoing projects, maybe they wanted to do up the exterior b4 they work on the engine... you can make the same arguement for audio... just my 2 cents.

[911GT2]

Before you claim victory, I'm going to reply. I'm just far too drunk as it is and it's 5:30 AM. But I'll be back.

Hybridsol does bring up some decent points though, and that's basically what I was looking for. Good job.

[911GT2]

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

OWNED....

not much to add to that, but I will add this. What kind of response did you expect to get from those ppl who rice out there car? They do it cause they think it looks cool, why else would they? I mean what did you think the yard gnomes told them to do it? It was paul walker, vin diesel and a sticker crazy orange supra.

You brought up zero points, so you can say absolutely nothing. I am not "owned". Especially not by you.

[emerge]

Originally posted by crankwalk 2g
I agree with 911GT2, Idon't see any point in making a slow car look fast. Most people who take offence to what he is saying probably fall into that category. All 911GT2 did was ask a simple question, telling him that he is stupid or ignorant just makes u look ignorant.

To answer the original question the only reason to spend money on a body kit for an econo car is because the owner likes the way it looks, if the reason is anything else its a lie.

As far as originallity or trying to be different goes, i admit there are a few that try but most people are monkey see monkey do. Where i live you won't belive the amount of lookalike hondas here, they are blue with white rims clear lights and a white interior, there must be at least 15 or so just in my area. So much for originallity.

Did you even read one word of this entire thread?! Look at the title of the topic, "you honda boys". the tone of the first post is not exactly the most polite either. and then if you actually read some of the posts there is also TONS of stereotyping (hence the euro lights discussion) and much more. take the time to actually read what people are saying and not just skim over posts... i am not going to bite my tongue on anything i've said in this discussion. i agree that some people might be curious as to why people put body kits on "slow" cars but i think this particular time it was horribly mishandled by the author of the thread...