R35GTR-the suspense is over?

[tazdev]

Originally posted by Neutrino
Also i expect the new R35

V35.

You can't call it an R35 because it no longer has the RB engine

[Drkcloud]

Originally posted by tazdev
You can't call it an R35 because it no longer has the RB engine

Whow, I hadn’t thought of that.

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by tazdev


V35.

You can't call it an R35 because it no longer has the RB engine

Was really the R from the RB engine?

[raven1822]

My biggest fear is that the car will end up in Acura NSX territory . . . which is a niche car if I have ever seen one. Not for everybody but for somebody.

That being said I would think that it is safe to say that the GTR will be competition for such cars as the new C6 when it arrives, the new SRT Viper, 911's and perhaps the new NSX. But remember it is still a Nissan so I do not see it being priced quite as high as the Viper and Carrera. Yes you could make the arguement that NSX is still a Honda but you have to be thoughtful of the time it was developed and the techniques used for it. The GTR is indeed a technically diverse car but the technologies used in it are not necessarily new and are not quite as far fetched by todays standards as were those used on the NSX 11 years ago. So hopefully the GTR's technology will not be an excuse to jack up the price.

Furthermore, who has made the GTR popular in this country. The younger generation has. I do not recall seeing to many NSX, 911, Viper, or ZO6 owners doing a lot of posting on the Nissan or Skyline forums. If you take a poll more than likely you will get greater response from a "younger" crowd when asking about a GTR. My father has been in a Corvette club since 1976 and none of his colleques have a clue to what a Skyline or GTR is, go figure!!! Now I am sure there are those older car buffs that know exactly what a Sklyline is and everything about it but lets be honest. The popularity of the car has expanded greatly over the last 4 or 5 years. Do not foreget the effect that (and God forgive me) that Fast and Furious 1 and 2 have and will have on the car.

My point is, it would be foolish of Nissan to price the car at a level where no or very few American buyers ages 21-35 could afford such an awsome auto. Just remember who was buying 3000GT, RX7, and Supras 6 or 7 years ago. It was not 18 - 25 year olds. It is for that reason along with economy that those cars disappeard.

[darkness]

Originally posted by tazdev


V35.

You can't call it an R35 because it no longer has the RB engine

shit I said that back on page one of this thread. obviously no one pays any bloody attention.

[GreatOne01]

It's because we're all sidetracked by your avatar.

[VQuick]

Originally posted by tazdev


V35.

You can't call it an R35 because it no longer has the RB engine

That doesn't have to be the case. The new 350/Fairlady Z, even though it has the VQ is still called the Z33, since it is the successor of the Z32 and Z31 VG-powered Zs.
The Maxima/Cefiro was the same way. The A31 models used a VG engine, and the A32 and A33 models use a VQ.
The B13 and B14 Sentras used the GA and SR engines. The B15 Sentras used them as well, until 2001, when they switched to the QG and QR engines. The current Sentra is still called the B15, instead of Q15 or something like that.
From these examples, it's pretty obvious that Nissan doesn't change the model/chassis designation just because the engine is different. In fact, why would they? The engine has nothing to do with the designation, because it refers to the chassis generation only.

So why shouldn't the Skyline be called the R35? After all, consider that the Skyline and GT-R marques are supposed to be separated from now on. The Skyline sedans may be called the V35, and the GT-R could still be called the R35.

[Dorikin]

Correction-A31 used the RB20 series engines in Japan.

In Australia/Carribean they used RB-24-S w.carburators.

[Drkcloud]

Originally posted by raven1822
it would be foolish of Nissan to price the car at a level where no or very few American buyers ages 21-35 could afford such an awsome auto.

Exactly, I think they understand the demographic of who is interested in it. It simply doesn’t make good business sense to price a car outside what your target audience can afford.

[HellBent]

The realities of the new (R35) GT-R:

It is not and will never be aimed at the Nissan Skyline GT-R crowd! It is a world class supercar being targeted at the world market in the second coming of the muscle car era. It is Nissan Motor Companies aim at the brass ring in the supercar circus that all the big manufacturers are getting sucked into. Hell even VW has a 500hp supercar planned!

This car will be made to compete with legends like the 911 TT carrera 4, the Ferrarris, Vettes, and Vipers. It is not meant to be the cookie cutter answer to the vanilla sports car market in the manner of the 350Z. This car will be a heavy weight contender.

As for price, it is ludicrous to assume that it will be priced a mere 10 grand over the G35. Everyone is forgetting the complexities of research and developement and actual production. Take the Mustang Cobra and Corvette Z06. Both are merely engine Mods and slight suspension tweaks over the base model, yet cost $10,000 more. Ford and Chevy don't even really make any profit on these cars. It is for name recognition. If the GT-R is going to be a big change over the G35 (i.e. different sheetmetal, different interior, different engine and tranny, AWD, not to mention heavily tweaked suspension and computers) it is gonna cost big bucks. Add to that limited production and you get one whopper of a price! Not to mention you have to import it and all the headaches and hassles of emmissions compliance and what not!

Easily $60k maybe as high as $80k!

My 2 cents!

Al

[raven1822]

Your have some valid opinions . . . but I hope you are wrong in that it will cost as high as 80K. I could deal with 60K but 80K is a bit high.

[Whitebread]

The mustang was already in production, ford knows what age group buys the stang, they don't need to do any experimenting or tweekin. Making a performace version of the stang is for recoginition only, so they can price it 10,000+. The G-R is a completely new car that is going world wide. It is a car in and of itself, seperate from other lines and isn't a performance version of another car. Nissian does want to make money on this car and isn't just for recoginition, why do you think they are making it a world car????? You don't have to send a car worldwide to make to get attention, look at the last 3 gen skylines. They never sold in the US and are HOT in the states. Also, do you thnk those mods to the stang really cost 10,000? They proably didn't. Why did ford charge so much for them??? Because it isn't a base model that needs to sell well. Chrysler could make a 500HP version of their town an country and sell it for half a million for all I care, it doesn't matter as that version of the town and country isn't want pulls in the green for that model of car. You get what I'm sayin?

Also, I, along with many people I know, feel that the definition of a muscle car is something that is powerful, stylish, and realitivly cheep, plus it is something that you will actually drive around town. If there is a second commin of the muscle car then companies will be putting out cars that aren't that expensive with good power, honda did it and so are a bunch of other jap car makers. All these cars are ment to be driven on the road as a daily driver, they aren't exotic italian cars that are really just shelf queens that you buy to show off the size of you wallet. The GT-R is no dought a muscle car, it looks good and has exelent potential. Pricing it at 80K+ is just stupid on nissian's part, they would never make money on it. You know what I could do to an STi with 40K (40K allocated for the cost of a new STi)? An STi with 40K into it could probably walk over a stock GT-R.

[flylwsi]

whoa there...
the gt-r isn't a car in and of itself.

never was.

it's a version of the skyline line.

the gt-r is the topend performance version. don't forget that older skylines don't all have awd. don't all have turbos. don't all have 2 doors. don't all have 6 cyl motors.

the gt-r will be the performance version of the current "skyline" which is the infiniti g35.

so... it won't be that expensive, the chassis here, crash tested and what not. it's not as completely different as everyone wants to make it.

everyone says "skyline is god", well, what about the 4cyl n/a 4 door that some guy in japan drives daily. is it god too?

no. it's about the gt-r. specifically. don't forget that

it's like the gt and cobra versions of the mustang... there's still a base model v6 down there too...

the gt-r isn't unlike the cobra or zo6 in that respect, as it's a version of the same car...

[flylwsi]

also... an STi and a gt-r aren't really in the same range of cars in the states...

pricing in japan is much closer, and there are countless versions of both cars over there.

do you know what i could do with 40k in a mustang to beat skyline? it's still not in the same category...

my "x" car with "x" amount of money will beat a car that costs 5 times as much. know what? it's still an "x" car.

sounds like a honda arugment. and it is. don't belittle the sti or gt-r with that argument.
they're both better than that.

[Whitebread]

Sorry about that, should have read up a little more.

As for the comparison, I was addressing Hellbent's commnt on muscle cars. Let me try to rephase this. What I mean to say is that I don't car too much about class, the G-R doesn't intrest me casue its a GT-R, it intrests me cause of what's under the hood and what it should be able to do on the track. Now, I wouldn't pay 80K for that car. Now back to the STi, if I put 40K ito an STi, could it out corner, out accelerate and just outperform a GT-R, maybe. Does it matter what class it's in?? No, it may still be able to beat the GT-R. If I race around a corse 5 seconds faster than you, no matter what car you've got, I still beat you, right?

This is how I'm thinkin, I think Nissian is thinking the same as well. Their playin off the reputation of the hig end performance skyline models of past generations. Correct me if I'm wrong but people bought these cars cause they were beasts on the track, right? I mean, One dude (don't remember his name), on this board beat a Mucerliago (can't spell the name) the ther day in a skyline. The total cost of the skyline was probably less that the Mucerliago. See what I'm tryin to say? This is just what I feel, not what nissian way do.