Up and close with new GT, I don't know

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

you said mustangs cant handle but thats a comon misconception, they actually handle pretty well, and u can buy upgrades for the rear to make up for the axle, and the cobra comes with a IRS if u want it.

That's cool, but then again it will never be fit for rally. Which is ok because it was never meant as a rally car. But just the same can be said how you can easily upgrade turbo's to make the cars that musch faster. Anything can be done to any car these days.

but its unrealistic and wrong to say a 4 is flat out better than a v8. my whole point here was price, a STI costs 36k, a mustang GT costs 25k.

Where did I say that I4 is superior to V8? The only thing I said is that it uses less gas...which no one can disagree on.

the reason we get so defensive is because retards always come in here and say how great there 4cyl is and they beat a mustang or something and their full of crap.

Every section deals with this. I'm not offended by anything said.

[quote]With those people we usually end up proving everything they say wrong and they get mad and start flaming and get banned like i said. happened not to long ago actually.[/QUOTE
Don't assume everyone is the same.

And when the guy said the fastest mustang can beat the fastest STI's well thats the truth really, a new cobra has 465hp and 495tq and it costs in the mid 30's

Fastest cars in between both cars or what's going on?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the 2005 SVT Cobra's aren't out yet right?

[eillob]

Just for the record and with the exception of the V6 guys I don't think many of us here are concerned with gas mileage. You kinda make that decision whey you buy a V8 in the first place. Good gas mileage and performance are usually not associated together.

But anyway getting back to the GTO and New GT. No the new cobra is not out yet and we won't see it to 2006. However I will be a happy camper if in 2006 the new GT is putting out a little more HP NA. I think another 30 to 50 hp would be exactly what it needs.

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by eillob

Just for the record and with the exception of the V6 guys I don't think many of us here are concerned with gas mileage. You kinda make that decision whey you buy a V8 in the first place. Good gas mileage and performance are usually not associated together.

I was only pointing that out because another member asked why kids are all up on these 4bangers instead of muscle cars.


Plain and simple, people pay enough for gas, and insurance. The 4bangers are an alternative to lower those costs and still give some performance.




Anyone disagree?

[eillob]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

I was only pointing that out because another member asked why kids are all up on these 4bangers instead of muscle cars.


Plain and simple, people pay enough for gas, and insurance. The 4bangers are an alternative to lower those costs and still give some performance.




Anyone disagree?

Well most of the kids I spoke of were between the ages of 7-18. So you aint gonna find many of them able to fork over that kind of cash. Now the Mustang and GTO scene was the worst of any. The convertable Mustang had a mob around it. The GTO is pushing 400hp stock so beleive me it had plenty of serious motor head attention especially for the price.

I disagree with you to an extent because insurance on an EVO or an STI although 4cyl, still for someone under 25 isnt gonna be cheap. We're not talking about some 4cyl saturn or hundai the insurance co is very aware of the hp numbers those cars put out so don't be decieved. Secondly like GTstang pointed out when your pushing that kind of hp you loose your gas mileage maybe not as bad under normal driving conditions but lets face it how much of a normal driving condition do you think any of those cars are gonna see?

[HighRev87]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

I was only pointing that out because another member asked why kids are all up on these 4bangers instead of muscle cars.


Plain and simple, people pay enough for gas, and insurance. The 4bangers are an alternative to lower those costs and still give some performance.




Anyone disagree?

I will disagree...sorta....

Only because like eillob, I was refering to the younger kids, most without a DL, who wank it to those cars, mostly based on thier looks or media. I highly doubt my 5 yr old half-brother loves the evo because of it's gas mileage, he likes 2f2f. I doubt that 12yr old kid I saw at my grocery store yesterday drooling over an STi in one of the magazines was thinking, damn I can get so far on one gas fillup.

[Raz_Kaz]

LOL, 2f2f has caused a lot of outrage in the automotive enthusiast world.
Yes the 3rd gen Eclipse and the Evo were the main cars in that movie, but you also have to remember that theres still the silent minority that do buy these cars not for their publicity...but for what they are.
Plus kids without DL will go apeshit over any Skyline cuz of that movie.

[eillob]

Let me throw out there that drag racing's been around for a long long time and as far as im concerned is an american tradition. This road course thing came here from europe it aint american. Yeah its ok I guess for the guy in the car but would you pay to watch it. Drag racing now is a different story, watch'n two 1200hp hotrods go at it? Thats what Im talking about. Doesn't get more american than that


Nothing makes your blood boil like straitline racing.

-Big daddy Don Garlitts

the great one

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

Plus kids without DL will go apeshit over any Skyline cuz of that movie.

Let us not forget the Supra that was a gift from God and is the ultimate car and will never be beat.


Just so you guys know I don't feel that way and I was being sarcastic. Now I do agree that they are nice cars but I'm just sick of how much attention these things get while other cars that I think are better get the cold shoulder.

[HighRev87]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

Let us not forget the Supra that was a gift from God and is the ultimate car and will never be beat.


Just so you guys know I don't feel that way and I was being sarcastic. Now I do agree that they are nice cars but I'm just sick of how much attention these things get while other cars that I think are better get the cold shoulder.

Actually both a skyline and supra are amazing sports car. TTv6 AWD plateform for a skyline. Thats awesome. And as for the supras...ever been to a track for a supra meet? These things put out wicked power in a RWD format (many above 1k hp). Might not be the American V8, but still hauls balls.

However the American drag racing comment could not have been anymore true. It is our tradition. While doing laps on a course track is fun (and I think very cool), Drag is still at the American heart.

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by HighRev87

Actually both a skyline and supra are amazing sports car. TTv6 AWD plateform for a skyline. Thats awesome. And as for the supras...ever been to a track for a supra meet? These things put out wicked power in a RWD format (many above 1k hp). Might not be the American V8, but still hauls balls.

The are very nice sports cars but people seriously act like and think these are the ultimate car over everything and can never be beat. I guess I'm going a little overboard but all the kids around here worship the Supra because of what they saw in f&f and it gets to me.

[Raz_Kaz]

Well when the Supra smokes a Ferrari, what are the kids suppose to think?

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

Well when the Supra smokes a Ferrari, what are the kids suppose to think?

You'd hope they'd have sense enough to remember it's a movie but that hope vanishes when they think all Chargers can also pop a wheelie.

[HighRev87]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

that hope vanishes when they think all Chargers can also pop a wheelie.

[M3FordBoy]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

Where did I say that I4 is superior to V8? The only thing I said is that it uses less gas...which no one can disagree on

What about cars like the FQ400 in top gear they got 4mpg when driving the car hard, But I have also heard that the Ford GT only get 3.5mpg when driven all out never saw it though. The most part you are correct with milage.

[jon@af]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

LOL, me banned?
Think that if you may but I've been here longer than you have and has yet to be banned.

Lets not forget that you've received several warnings in the past Raz. Chill out a little.