Could it be? The F60?

[MBTN]

Seems to? I want to see the article, the m.ore surface area, the more drag, not matter what

[enzo@af]

Well, spoilers work like an upside down airplane wing, whereas an airdam and side skirts keep air from getting under the car (thus negating lift, and even producing downforce).

Why do we need to read articles on it? What's the question that people have? It's all basically just simple physics and aerodynamics.

Oh, Chris, you're totally right about the Bugatti being a better car...for the experienced driver. However, I think the Veyron will be sold to the Bill Gates of the world, not the Alex Zanardis. Thus, I would personally prefer the Ferrari because...well...I could (?) drive it. 650 hp at my disposal is a lot more feasible than 1000+ (with a huge amount of torque).

But, I'm really not sure how the two will fair as track cars. Like I said, I think the Bugatti will be too heavy to really be a great handling car (which I'm SURE the F60 will be one of the greatest).
My predictions
Oval Track: Bugatti, hands down.
Curvy, country roads: F60

[Porsche]

My point exactly. No F1 driver is going to get a EB 16/4, look at it for God's sake! It dosen't look like something you would drive around somewhere. No, It belongs in a garage with hundreds of other neglected cars that people buy because they can. If I could et one, I would beat the hell out of it and put 100,000 miles a year on it. No point in have a car that you don't drive. It under my philosophy that "You only live Once"

[Heep]

I hate to say it, but, IMO, that air dam is the ugliest I've seen in a long time.

[MBTN]

Those cars could NEVER reach 100k miles. They are too much power for their own good.

[enzo@af]

Yeah, the more I think about it, the Bugatti is simply a trophy car. The EB110 was a great track car, but I really really think the Veyron won't be.

The F40 and F50 were both great track cars (even though it can be said that the F50 was more of a stylish car than a performance car), so it figures that the F60 will be too.

[Chris]

Actually a wing is the airfoil. A spoiler is a 'lip' at the back of the car. Any sporting car has one. It reduces lift and decreases drag. It is an excellent aero-dynamic aid. A wing takes undisturbed air, increasing drag. A spoiler takes air that the car has already affected, and lets it leave easier, decreasing drag and lift.

I read the article TWICE, by the way. Air dams and skirts are good all around also.

[enzo@af]

That seems strange....decreasing drag over the top of the car, would seem like it would likewise allow air passing over the top to move faster, which would cause lift.... I guess it's not just simply aerodynamics.

[MBTN]

D'oh, I got spoiler and wing mixed up.

[Chris]

I will read it again and post a longer reply.OR YOU could GO to the LIBRARY, and check up on the magazine. If you don't want to, I will have it up soon. Maybe.

[Porsche]

Chris, You sound like you know what your all im going to ask is: Is a car's spoiler the same or similar to that of an aircraft? If so, it increases drag and decases lift, to slow the plane down and disrupt airflow causing less lift. Thw wing on a car (You were right Chris) does decrease lift and decrease drag. It (enzo) does allow air to move faster, but on a car, the wing is inverted so it produces faster moving air (Negative Pressure or Lift) on the other side pulling the car down instead of trying to lift it up.

[enzo@af]

Yes, I know how a wing (which I have always just called a spoiler) works....the air moves faster on the underside, creating downforce....

The point is that by adding a spoiler, you are increasing overall drag (more surface area). The point of a spoiler is putting more drag "on top" and less "on the bottom" (of the wing, or the overall car in general). The phrase "decreasing drag and lift" seems completely contradictory to me.

[Chris]

A spoiler can add drag (porsche 911 turbo, the 'whale tail' years).
A spoiler works on the Coanda effect. That is, air (or any gas or liquid) flows along like the surface it was on. Therefor, on a car, it goes DOWN the back, meeting the air from the bottom. This increses drag, but the air moving that way kinda (a little bit) decreases lift. Now, as far as I understand it, a spoiler causes the air to go up momentarily, flowing STRAIGT behind the car, not as much going down. This decreases drag. Now, the air UNDERNEATH the car has to come UP to the rear of the car, increasing the distance it has to travel, and therfor increasing speed and decreasing pressure going up (lift).
Now you see how it works. (they are in capitals just to highlight important stuff, not trying to make you look dumb. I have done that unintenially in the past )

That is a spoiler, the small 'lip' thing on the back of a car. It has nothing to do with aviation (actually, it does, but not for this reletively simple stuff)
A wing is a device that is an upside down airfoil. It decreases lift, but increases drag. If it is small enough, the drag will be slight. Sometimes it can actually decrease drag by letting the air out quicker and more efficiently. This all depends on a gazillion factors that are hard to understand.

Most magazines call small wings spoilers, which they are not.

Heres another example. On the 911 Turbo, it has a spoiler at first. Then it rises up into uninterupted air, in effect a wing. A true definition is hard to come by, as most people us the terms when they shouldn't.

[MBTN]

A wing is a device that is an upside down airfoil. It decreases lift, but increases drag.

That's what I meant. I'm kind of relating it to airplanes. A Bi-plane has 2 wings (hence the name ), which increase lift at low speeds, but create more drag, simply because the air hits the wing.

[Porsche]

Well, that pretty much sums it up. I should have given a different example for spoiler. It's different on a plane. I also kinda get that thing with the F60. I saw "Le Mans" on the weekend and The ferrari's in the movie had "F60" tails. They weren't as big, but they must have served some purpose.