Part 4: N/A or Forced Induction

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by Redcivic
All motor is far more expensive than F.I. Period.

Fukn A man, What would you ppl do without me? Now you're comparing getting the same gains from NA that you would get from FI. IF you were to try to get the same hp from NA that would get from FI then yeah, of course it'll be expensive. They're not even in the same category. If we go NA, we sacrifice overall power for money.

Ppl we're not gonna go all out no matter what route we go. If we go NA we're not gonna get 11.5 pistons, cams, springs, ECU work, block work, ect. We Can't. If we spend $3000 on NA engine work, then WTF don't we just get the turbo? And if we go turbo, we're not going all out either. We go basic run of mill route with whatever route we choose.

As for reliability. Get real. You can't beat naturally asprirated honda reliability with ANY turbo charged honda engine. That's why some ppl choose the NA route. OF COURSE this only applies to a limit. Raise the CR to 16:1 on an NA engine and yeah FI, is much better.

Originally posted by Redcivic
THE COMPRESSION RATIO ON THIS MOTOR IS TOO LOW FOR N/A, IT IS BEGGING TO BE TURBOCHARGED!

And as for this statement, begging for FI my ass. Anything 8 is too low for NA and perfect for turbo. 9.5 is right there with most honda engines AND very nitrous friendly. It's high enough for power but low enough for extra future power upgradability. Anything 10+ is too high for FI, so we're right at the limit.

But I'm not totally opposed to the cheapest turbo kit we can find. I guess

[Redcivic]

So, you agree that this motor is better suited for F.I. duty?

[nemesls_2000]

Either going to be NA or an inexpensive turbo kit.

[CivSiGuy]

Anyone have a problem with CAI (12hp flywheel), 4-1 header (15hp and 15lbft boost at VTEC on a B16A, 7 at the top end), and exhaust(5 flywheel hp). That'll boost us about 25 extra hp over our already potent 200ish hp.

225 in a Civic is just about as much as a Jackson Racing Supercharger would give us. Not to mention we are only talking about $1,000 in mods compared to $2,500.

just a thought.

That leaves us over $9,000 for extra fun too.

[nemesls_2000]

That sounds great to me! I like the idea of going N/A. There are a lot of people who you'll have to convince though? BTW, how much is that flywheel?

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by Redcivic
So, you agree that this motor is better suited for F.I. duty?

It is but that still doesn't mean we should. But Like I said, I might be convinced to go for a cheap turbo setup since that's what the apparent majority is asking for.

I like the IHE thing BTW and we can throw in a FPR and cam gears to give it a little more tunability and believe me, that's fast enough.

[ric]

spiralmax dawg, deez honkies be clowin da spiralmax yo. but i know da fo-realz on dat shizzy. its bangin, das like 30 pocent gainin true da board dawg!!!!! so for all youz sped's das like 300 a dem ponies to da flo. kno whats da dilly do yo? is like 3 payments a 40 billzz yo!!! youz cant go wrong wit dat, fo shizzy my nizzy!!




btw, i still say turbo. at least leave the kid whos buying this thing the room to upgrade and make more power easily. i mean even if its a pos unintercooled greddy kit for like 1500-2000 (which i have seen). and if he decides he doesnt wanna be turbo later on he can sell the kit for almost as much as he paid for it and get his n/a shit. i mean seriously, taking the na route is gonna put dude against a brick wall if he ever wanted to go faster.

[Redcivic]

CivSiGuy, you are smoking crack if you think I/H/E gets you 25HP. I have the same on my B16A (which has 10 more HP than a USDM B16A) and I only saw a 17HP peak gain. I have a modified Iceman CAI from a GSR, DC 4-1, and thermal R&D exhaust. 25HP? You've been reading too many ads.

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by i like naked girls
i mean seriously, taking the na route is gonna put dude against a brick wall if he ever wanted to go faster.

I reall don't see how. If we do the IHE thing, he can still remove the header and strap a turbo for a little more money it would cost him to upgrade the existing turbo and paraphanalia.

Alright, we need a poll to see where we stand.

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by Redcivic
CivSiGuy, you are smoking crack if you think I/H/E gets you 25HP.

I think the extra .4 liters of displacement will change your average B16 specs.

[Redcivic]

Whatever.

[piscorpio]

I get what you are saying RR, the budget is definitely going to get tighter now, and we need to address all areas, not just power! I do think that NA would not be the best way to go however, since we already have a nice set of JE rods/pistons in there, why not go with the turbo since its already reinforced for it. So I say small turbo, like a GReddy kit or something, we should still have alot for wheels and suspension.

Maybe we should tackle the suspension, before we get into FI specifics?

Just a thought, I love my suspension set up right now, and aside from new rotors, or maybe some bigger brakes, I think its good as is. My setup was not too bad on the budget either, so just something to think about I guess.

[VTEC_boi]

redcivic - There is a reason he is a moderator.



Power gains from 1 car are not universal.

[delsolguy]

Once again, anyone care to tell me how we got these 9.5:1 pistons?

Because some 11.0:1 pistons would be nice. That way, we could:

AEM CAI
DC Sports JDM 4-1 header
Some sort of exhaust
CTR intake cam
ITR exhaust cam
Toda gears
V-AFC

And tuning. Seems like that'd work out okay .

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Sorry bro. They came with the engine. Like a package.