The King for under $40,000

[youngvr4]

can you show me an evo running over 235mph and still runing 9's? beside's the ? that you can't answer yes with, i'm not biased toward either car i love the evo-8 and the mr will be even better. its just when you said i'll bring up hks its like........ok bring them up, they can't acomplish 1/4th of what lingenflter has done with the corvette. don't take this as me jumping on you or flaming you, were just simply debating.

[3000ways]

Originally Posted by youngvr4

can you show me an evo running over 235mph and still runing 9's? beside's the ? that you can't answer yes with, i'm not biased toward either car i love the evo-8 and the mr will be even better. its just when you said i'll bring up hks its like........ok bring them up, they can't acomplish 1/4th of what lingenflter has done with the corvette. don't take this as me jumping on you or flaming you, were just simply debating.

Look are we comparing aftermarket companies to aftermarket companies?Like I said Lingenfenflter has nothing to do with the comparison, and what HKS does a lot more than straight line speed. Your right no EVO probably will ever do 235MPH, doesn't have the areo to do that, and you know, so what? Wow you can do 235MPH? Yet Norris Design EVO would run circles around Lingenfenlter Corvette. Look like I said this is not about HKS or Norris Design or Lingenfenflter.

[Mr Payne]

Originally Posted by 3000ways

The ZO6 brand new costs well over $40,000 to the EVO MR's under $35,000 price tag (when it comes out), I remember a day when ZO6 owners/fans use to argue with Viper owners/fans over who was better, it seemed that the ZO6 owners always pulled out the bang for the buck card, now it's being pulled out on them by, wow a boxy 4-Door Sedan and they don't know what to think. The fact is the two cars with the same HP and Same Weight, would mean a humiliating loss for the ZO6, in my book the better car is the EVO (Bang for your buck, remember that?). Still with that said let's face facts, the EVO doesn't have as much power as the ZO6, yet it still hangs and you know what I'll call it, will beat the ZO6 in a track race.

How does the EVO MR have a better bang for buck than the Z06? I've already PROVEN it costs less than the MR. Are we changing the parameters of the comparison?

[flylwsi]

norris would run circles around the lingenfelter?
i beg to differ...
it's quicker in the 1/4, has a higher top speed, and can still handle like no other.

the handling may be equal/close for these two cars, but the vette will be the overall winner.

when i look at a car, i look at the long term.
both cars have great potential.

if you want to look at them for the all out crazyiness you can have...
nothing compares to the zo6/c5.
sorry.

[3000ways]

Originally Posted by Mr Payne

How does the EVO MR have a better bang for buck than the Z06? I've already PROVEN it costs less than the MR. Are we changing the parameters of the comparison?

Changing parameters, ok yeah what ever with Lingenfelter, yeah that was part of the original thread. I beg to differ that the Lingenfelter would even come close to touching a Norris Design EVO, but I guess we will never know till the two cars get on a race track and battle it out. Besides and I must admit I'm partly to blame for this too, cuz I have kept discussing this also, but if you want a thread comparing Lingenfelter Corvette to Norris Design EVO or HKS EVO than create one, this thread is about the M3 vs. MR vs. ZO6. Flyhisky or what ever you name is, I say the EVO is better than C5s (from performance), and from what I have seen nothing has changed my mind. Especially when we are talking about a car that has how much less HP. Mr Payne the blue book says the 2001 ZO6 cost more than what a EVO MR will, you say it cost less, where I'm from it cost well over what the blue book says, so what exactly did you prove, not a damn thing. Are we gonna have this argument again, cuz if we are I'd be more than happy to prove you wrong again.

[flylwsi]

if the blue book for a zo6 is under 40k, it doesn't matter, does it?

why must you butcher my name?
it's right in front of you, i don't screw yours up.

keep in mind that blue book doesn't mean that's what the price is going to be. it could be higher/lower.

what argument are you proving us wrong on?
the fact that the zo6 can, and does, outperform the mr?
especially on a road course?
at the least, like i said before, it'd be a wash, with no clear winner.

[3000ways]

Originally Posted by flylwsi

if the blue book for a zo6 is under 40k, it doesn't matter, does it?

why must you butcher my name?
it's right in front of you, i don't screw yours up.

keep in mind that blue book doesn't mean that's what the price is going to be. it could be higher/lower.

what argument are you proving us wrong on?
the fact that the zo6 can, and does, outperform the mr?
especially on a road course?
at the least, like i said before, it'd be a wash, with no clear winner.

Proving wrong was meant for Mr. Payne and his blue book analogy. Your right, I can see us arguing for hours and days about this, they just need to get the two cars together for a race.

[youngvr4]

it would be lovely to see

[Mr Payne]

Originally Posted by 3000ways

Plus it's price is lower than the other two, leaving me with more than enough money to fix her up.

You said that in your 2nd post in this thread. That is incorrect. You put no qualifiers for location in that statement.

Originally Posted by 3000ways

Mr Payne the blue book says the 2001 ZO6 cost more than what a EVO MR will, you say it cost less, where I'm from it cost well over what the blue book says, so what exactly did you prove, not a damn thing. Are we gonna have this argument again, cuz if we are I'd be more than happy to prove you wrong again.

Here are my three arguments:

1) Z06s can be gotten for less than an EVO even with the travel expenses of going cross country. [ie: you flying to my area and buying one.]

2) You never put the qualifier "the Z06 costs more in my area" in your first post. [You're still wrong even if prove my other two points wrong because you never said "the Z06 price must be located within my area".]

3) I find it hard to believe that I found 5 Z06s under the EVO MR price in 30 seconds in my area (Southern California has a fair amount of price adjustment over the rest of the nation) and you found NONE. What is your zip code?

Please, prove me wrong, I need some comedy.

[3000ways]

Originally Posted by Mr Payne

You said that in your 2nd post in this thread. That is incorrect. You put no qualifiers for location in that statement.





Here are my three arguments:

1) Z06s can be gotten for less than an EVO even with the travel expenses of going cross country. [ie: you flying to my area and buying one.]

2) You never put the qualifier "the Z06 costs more in my area" in your first post. [You're still wrong even if prove my other two points wrong because you never said "the Z06 price must be located within my area".]

3) I find it hard to believe that I found 5 Z06s under the EVO MR price in 30 seconds in my area (Southern California has a fair amount of price adjustment over the rest of the nation) and you found NONE. What is your zip code?

Please, prove me wrong, I need some comedy.

You want comedy, then please re-read your post. I said blue book value, and if your willing to fly cross country for a car then that's your choice, but most people are not willing to go to such extreme. Like I said early, a Corvette ZO6 can be had for more or less of the blue book, you would have me just post the less and forget the more, I choose to use the medium which happends to be what the blue book uses, is all this too hard for you to understand, guess all human brains are not the same size after all. Also I left a link earlier for you to see what I was talking about, why you chose not to use it, is your fault.

[Joseph1082]

I'd don't even feel like arguing any more, but you jumped at me and now there are several people supporting what I originally said... both great cars, but one is superior to the other. Thank you.

[youngvr4]

The End.

[moslerporschefreak]

Sorry to be off topic but I choose the Lotus Elise (U.S. or Euro spec, doesn't really matter). It is under 40k and has been often heralded as the finest drivers car by many mag editors from evo, Car, R&T, etc. Sorry, just my two cents.

[Toyopower]

the lotus Elise, all fiberglass body, takes 70 degree corner at 75 mph, quad exaust sporty interior, 0 to 60 in 4.9 seconds and all at 39 K

[Janet Reno]

Funny how the heavier, way less powerful luxury four seating M3 is only .4 slower in the 0-60 than the Vette.