why do mustang guys hate import guys?

[Mendari]

Originally Posted by poison_ivey

i hope yall dont take that as a flame, but it pisses me off when ppl dont know what they talking about, and then they dont admit they are wrong.
if im wrong, tell me, prove it to me and ill say im sorry, my bad, ect.

I similarly cracked open my Texas Instruments ( TI 82 ) super geek calculator. Hmmm, 92 lb-ft of torque. That did seem like a ridiculously low number.

[Los]

Originally Posted by poison_ivey

ok, im on the scene, and its time to clean up this bull shit

ok

'my import can get to 200k+ miles on the engine and ur domestic will blow up after 3 miles'

Bullshit. I've run my 281 harder than most people do in a car's lifetime and it still runs great.

TRUE i agree 100%
BUT
IT DEPENDS ON HOW U DRIVE THE CAR. if you drive ur honda civic the way its ment to be driven- @ or slightly above speed limit, not reving the engine hard, ect., then yeah, it could happen. there are plenty of ford and gm trucks that ppl own that can get 200k+ ez.

read above.

'but wait, thats the trucks, im talking about cars!'

hold on stupid- most people who drive trucks dont race down the street, most of the trucks are owned my men, so they take care of there trucks. any mustang, camero or what ever the fuck u wanna throw out there can get 200k+ on the engie.
peroid.

finally someone with sense.

...holla... this limiting shit sucks.

[83_Z28]

poisen ivey i disagree w/ u in the fact of how imports are drove. now this is my dad's truck v. my 83 camaro (which was my grandma's till this year,and she never drove it hard).........my dad's truck,ran hard for the 170k miles he has on it, he puts his foot in the floor alot of the time to get out of an intersection w/ no stopsign or light. now my camaro on the otherhand was always drivin below 3k rpm, remember this is a 70 year old lady now, the engine was the 305, my grandad changed oil regularly same as spark plugs etc. but my camaro's engine gave out at 110k miles, my dad toyota pickup has been drivin hard, even been hit from the rear several times (3-5 ez) and only problems that have cost a decent price on it has been a clutch and now his steering stabilizer is bad. thats the difference between foreign and usa made engine's.....only really reliable engine that would out last quite a few imports is the old ford inline 6 they put in there old trucks, the ones that had no power, put ur foot in the floor at a dead stop and u cant even spin 1 tire. thats 1 domestic engine that id love to have in a truck, but when it comes to cars there better off bieng a sunday car

[HiFlow5 0]

You take any make car and look at the manufactured vehicles history, and you will find that every manufacture has vehicles last 200k+ miles, and some of their vehicles that last 15k miles. It goes both ways, with ANY company weather foreign or domestic.

Currently in my Possession;
94 G30 van, 350ci, 124k miles
93 Safari, 4.3L, 210k miles
89 Mustang, 2.3L, 128k miles
All have never had any major internal problems and still run great.

Past cars;
87 Mercury Lynx, 100k+ miles, body rusted out, motor ran great.
86 Cougar, 3.8L, 60k miles. Major internal problems
83 Regal, 2.8L, 88k miles. Motor seized
88 Astro, 4.3?, under 100K miles. Walked crankshaft.

[83_Z28]

some people have great luck with domestic vehicles, while others dont. my uncle has a mustang with 350k miles and it never had a major problem. but majority of the ones i see dont last much longer than 100k miles. glad u have had good luck i dont want any vehicle breaking down on any1

[Teak]

It all depends on how you treat the car.

[Carguy393]

I believe the basic problem here is that mustangs seem to be the bar of performance so that is what it is "cool" for imports to beat.

In reality you can get huge power gain with very little cash on a mustang. I dont hate imports, just the ones with the coffee can exhaust and the 2million stickers on their body kit. These guys always go flying thru traffic sitting so low in their seat that you cant see their head just trying to kill someone.

I do know that some are smart enough not to mess with a good mustang though, my buddies came up to a gathering of imports. They pulled up revving their engine as everyone gathered around. My friends couldnt get any of the imports to run, Just a 5.0 that supposedly had "$8,000" in it.

[lanevoMR]

you are right an F1 doesn't make 90ft-lbs peak torque it's more like double that at around 19 k... apparently it was not possible for you to infer the point of the arguement, allow me to enlighten you.. engines don't need to make a lot of torque for a car to be fast.. ..furthermore.. car weight, balance, and area under the torque curve is more important than just having 500 ft-lbs at 2000 rpm. The point of that particular statement was to illustrate that a car with a 3.0 liter engine can be faster than one with a 8 liter engine when all factors are taken into consideration. Now that you've made yourself feel better about completely missing my point why don't you address the other 6 or 7 question i asked?

Why was Honda the first to incorporate variable valve timing and lift into a production engine?

Why was Honda the first to bring a hydrogen cell vehicle to the market?
Why was Honda the first to break the 100 hp/liter barrier in a mass produced production NA engine?

Why was Honda the first to make engines that meet LEV/ULEV/SULEV and zero emissions standards?

Why was Honda, a car manufacturer with less money than GM or Ford, able to beat both of them out 90% of the tops spots in CART racing and now in the IRL?

Why did Honda win several consecutive F1 championships back in the early 90's and why has an American F1 manufacturer won none?

Of course i expected some of the responses regarding F1 and CART but in it's defense, much of the demographic that comprises F1 viewership is an elite, well educated and successful group. Compare that to NASCAR fans comprised mostly of uneducated high school dropouts and you'll get the idea. F1 cars accelerate faster, both centripetally and linearly than NASCAR. F1 cars are vastly more sophisticated than NASCAR, and enjoy a tremendously more educated fan base. Much of the technology and innovations in today's passenger cars have come from F1 racing technologies. I bet if a rigorous study were done following scientific protocols one F1 fan would havemore brainpower than 10 NASCAR fans. Note, that was something of a joke.

In response to some anecdotal stories of domestic brands lasting longer than Japanese; I'm sure that's true in a small percentage of instances, but the fact remains.. for the past 10 years in the vast majority of cases, Japanese cars have been built better, last longer, and are more efficient than any domestic brand has been. This can be seen by the reports issued yearly by Consumer Reports and JD Powers. In fact Consumer Reports did a 3 year study and found that on average there were 10-12 problems per 100 vehicles for Toyota and Honda while there was an average of 20-22 problems per 100 vehicles on Ford and GM's. Don't let me forget to mention the NSX, that won in the GT2 class at Le Mans in 1995, over the corvettes which has engines that were over 2 times larger, furthermore taking JD Powers most reliable car award over a period of 5 years. No we are not talking about best in initial quality award(what's the point if it works great for the first few weeks then breaks down a year later?) To receive that kind of praise it takes precision engineering, meticulous attention to design and detail, and countless hours of research and development.

There's more to come

[stang_racer20]

see BLU_CIVIC, this is what im talking about

[Los]

I bet if a rigorous study were done following scientific protocols one F1 fan would havemore brainpower than 10 NASCAR fans. Note, that was something of a joke.

I'd have to agree with you on that point.

[GTStang]

LaneVo your still a an idiot and you just don't get it. I could give 2 shits what a F1 car does.
Answer this question how much does a Honda Civic have to do with an F1 car as my Mustang has to do with John Force's Mustang Funny car.
The Answer not a fucking thing in hell!!!!!!!!


The title of this thread "Why do Mustang Guys hate Imports"
Look at your self in the mirror and you now know the answer to this thread so you don't need to post in it anymore.

[poison_ivey]

los sez:
"Originally Posted by poison_ivey
ok, im on the scene, and its time to clean up this bull shit

ok

'my import can get to 200k+ miles on the engine and ur domestic will blow up after 3 miles'

Bullshit. I've run my 281 harder than most people do in a car's lifetime and it still runs great. "

it sounds like u disagreeing w/ me. ???


i was making a general quote on what some of these import ppl are saying. thats why its in quotation marks ' ' <-- that thing

[03ZX3drew]

In response to lanevoMR, who was stating all the good aspects of Honda...

Do you know how Japanese car companies recieved the technology for the cars they build? Answer: America. In a simple and unindepth statement, we gave them our ideas and technology information as a form of apology for WWII. Indeed, they haved improved upon it. But their goals are different there than America. Most people dont understand it. Indeed, Hondas last longer than any Ford. But look at them. They look like crap. Like they fell from our atmosphere and right onto the assembly line. And, when someone buys a Mustang, Corvette, Viper, Camero, any american muscle car, they are going to drive it the way it needs to be driven. They are going to push it to its limits. The engines are built to last forever, but they are built for performance. Indeed, Japanese car companies do offer performance cars such as a 350 Z, Skyline, etc..., but its the classic American muscle sound we also want when we drive a car. So why do Mustang guys hate imports? Because they run their mouths about how great Japanese cars are. They are reliable, and they last forever, but who wants to drive a civic around for 15 years? Most Americans get a new car every 5. Mustangs just offer more bang for your buck than any honda.

Anyways, just my two cents.

[BigDanTheMan]

The NSX is virtually a race car; hardly a road car. It's vtec doens't kick in until 6000 revs, 90 mph in third gear, imagine how fast you have to be in fourth to get any use out of it. Totally illegal for street driving; not to say that anyone who would buy a car like that keeps it under the limit - but 90 mph in second is above and beyond the rational individual on the average american street. Aside from it being a race car, your claim regards to 1995. What is that... eight years ago? and only one title? if we're gong back in time, suck on the ford gt.

The corevette is much more logical for a person who would would like a smidge of utility out of their performance automobile. with more luggage room then the nsx which can hold about a laptop in the storage compartment. The vette also comes with heritage and an uncalculatable level of more bang for the buck.

In responce to your worship of the imports and their eco friendly nature you need to look back a few posts to where that issue was commented on. Honda is a very eco friendly company - but at the same time they must adhear to extreme standards of the european nations as well as the regulations within their own countrys. American auto makers often completely redesign their vehicles for export. I respect the lev, ulev and sulev - but you need to realize that if american companys were required to meet these standards within ameraca (and i think they should) they would. Also it has to do with marketing - the same people who buy apple computers go for levs and hybrid cars; for no other reason then to save the world. More power to them, and to honda for catoring to that consumer - there are more and more of them and it's a great market.

Japanese auto makers are not great inovators we are, but they are stupenouse producers. Our enginering is geared twards invention - theirs to effieincy. It's more a cultural difference then anything, but it makes for facinating study of economics. Just look at the microchip industry.

[Hypsi87]

Originally Posted by lanevoMR

you are right an F1 doesn't make 90ft-lbs peak torque it's more like double that at around 19 k... apparently it was not possible for you to infer the point of the arguement, allow me to enlighten you.. engines don't need to make a lot of torque for a car to be fast.. ..furthermore.. car weight, balance, and area under the torque curve is more important than just having 500 ft-lbs at 2000 rpm. The point of that particular statement was to illustrate that a car with a 3.0 liter engine can be faster than one with a 8 liter engine when all factors are taken into consideration. Now that you've made yourself feel better about completely missing my point why don't you address the other 6 or 7 question i asked?

Why was Honda the first to incorporate variable valve timing and lift into a production engine?

Why was Honda the first to bring a hydrogen cell vehicle to the market?
Why was Honda the first to break the 100 hp/liter barrier in a mass produced production NA engine?

Why was Honda the first to make engines that meet LEV/ULEV/SULEV and zero emissions standards?

Why was Honda, a car manufacturer with less money than GM or Ford, able to beat both of them out 90% of the tops spots in CART racing and now in the IRL?

Why did Honda win several consecutive F1 championships back in the early 90's and why has an American F1 manufacturer won none?

Of course i expected some of the responses regarding F1 and CART but in it's defense, much of the demographic that comprises F1 viewership is an elite, well educated and successful group. Compare that to NASCAR fans comprised mostly of uneducated high school dropouts and you'll get the idea. F1 cars accelerate faster, both centripetally and linearly than NASCAR. F1 cars are vastly more sophisticated than NASCAR, and enjoy a tremendously more educated fan base. Much of the technology and innovations in today's passenger cars have come from F1 racing technologies. I bet if a rigorous study were done following scientific protocols one F1 fan would havemore brainpower than 10 NASCAR fans. Note, that was something of a joke.

In response to some anecdotal stories of domestic brands lasting longer than Japanese; I'm sure that's true in a small percentage of instances, but the fact remains.. for the past 10 years in the vast majority of cases, Japanese cars have been built better, last longer, and are more efficient than any domestic brand has been. This can be seen by the reports issued yearly by Consumer Reports and JD Powers. In fact Consumer Reports did a 3 year study and found that on average there were 10-12 problems per 100 vehicles for Toyota and Honda while there was an average of 20-22 problems per 100 vehicles on Ford and GM's. Don't let me forget to mention the NSX, that won in the GT2 class at Le Mans in 1995, over the corvettes which has engines that were over 2 times larger, furthermore taking JD Powers most reliable car award over a period of 5 years. No we are not talking about best in initial quality award(what's the point if it works great for the first few weeks then breaks down a year later?) To receive that kind of praise it takes precision engineering, meticulous attention to design and detail, and countless hours of research and development.

There's more to come

Ok you jump around way to much, performance and all of these enviromentaly friendly facts don't mix at all.Performance and enviromental standards do not go together. Who cares if Honda makes a 100 hp per litre N/A engine. still is not winning too many races. That is in the type of car we are all talking about. The day that I can afford an F1 car ill give you a call. Honda makes a good engine, small engine,motorcycle,ect. I just don't beleve that Honda makes a good performance engine.