hung with a cobra

[76_cobra]

It's not unbelievable that he KEPT UP, not won, but kept up with the Cobra, at the track i've never seen one of the newer ones run better than 14 sec I usually see them run low 14's. Also if he was racing a newer Cobra, not a 2003, it is a good possibility that he would have been able to keep up because Ford recalled most of their newer Cobras I think it was the 2001 or 2000 Cobras that were recalled because they weren't producing the power that Ford had claimed, the heads, manifold, and exhausts were too restrictive. Ford had to recall them, now I don't know if he had that year that was recalled, but you never know.

[RoBoDEATH]

i bet if i had posted that i hung with him in my 71 cutlass it wouldn't be so damn hard to believe. i'm not being a smartass but i personally didn't post this here to see if anyone believed me or not.

[inferno]

I find it disturbing that whenever an import is said to have beaten or stayed close to any V8 powered domestic, that a lot of people instantly try to discount or discredit the story. While I agree, there are several instances where the post is a load of bull, that doesn't make it right to jump down everyone's throat who makes such a post. It could have been a GT with Cobra badging, or it could have been a true Cobra. Also, who knows the condition of the car that he raced? It could have had problems that the owner wasn't aware of which was causing it to make less power. It is pretty obvious that the car was NOT a 03 Cobra so there was no need to even bring that car into this discussion. Last thing, he said he hung with it, not beat it. I could understand being skeptical if he would have said he destroyed it, killed it, etc, etc but he said he kept up with it which isn't too much of a stretch.

[KrNxRaCer00]

Originally posted by inferno
There shouldn't be any interference problems with the JRSC even in a 4th gen Civic. The only cars that MIGHT have an interference problem is a 3rd gen...and even then, I don't think they have issues on the firewall side.

yea...his was a 91 h/b si.

[RoBoDEATH]

well i dont see a jrsc made for that car so i guess that means that it would have to be a custom job

[jamilrahman]

no i mean pictures of the supercharger that you have.....

also i sure hope you walk stock 5.0's after you spend a couple of thousand on your car.

[RoBoDEATH]

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t84749.html

look on page two

[KrNxRaCer00]

Originally posted by RoBoDEATH
well i dont see a jrsc made for that car so i guess that means that it would have to be a custom job

whoops...forgot to mention it was a JDM b16 (making room even less available). it was a project an a half to get the JRSC to fit...heard every word in the book on that one .

[pontiactrac]

Originally posted by inferno
I find it disturbing that whenever an import is said to have beaten or stayed close to any V8 powered domestic, that a lot of people instantly try to discount or discredit the story. While I agree, there are several instances where the post is a load of bull, that doesn't make it right to jump down everyone's throat who makes such a post. It could have been a GT with Cobra badging, or it could have been a true Cobra. Also, who knows the condition of the car that he raced? It could have had problems that the owner wasn't aware of which was causing it to make less power. It is pretty obvious that the car was NOT a 03 Cobra so there was no need to even bring that car into this discussion. Last thing, he said he hung with it, not beat it. I could understand being skeptical if he would have said he destroyed it, killed it, etc, etc but he said he kept up with it which isn't too much of a stretch.

Inferno, i disagree fully. I do not believe that any import that is mentioned to beat a V8 domistic is completely denied. My dad has an acura 3.2 type s that could beat the pants off my friend's mustang gt. And then we've got NSX's, Supras, Skylines... But you also have to put things into some perspective here, we are also talking about a HUGE price difference in cars (Civic and Cobra/GT ). Ill even give the benefit of the doubt to say the supercharger was 3grand+intalling, the GT or Cobra is still a lot more expensive. I know money doesn't mean everything and alot of people are going to say "i saw this one do this and that one do that." Im not denying that they can be made fast. But i would have to say that if it is hard to believe a v6 mustang hanging with a gt, it's even harder to believe a civic hanging with it a GT. Again... i could be wrong, he could be right, im just basing my sceptisicm on something.

[inferno]

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00


whoops...forgot to mention it was a JDM b16 (making room even less available). it was a project an a half to get the JRSC to fit...heard every word in the book on that one .

What mount kit did he use? If he used the Place Racing kit, I think he would have some clearance issues with the JRSC but with the HASport kit, it shouldn't be an issue.

[inferno]

Originally posted by pontiactrac


Inferno, i disagree fully. I do not believe that any import that is mentioned to beat a V8 domistic is completely denied. My dad has an acura 3.2 type s that could beat the pants off my friend's mustang gt. And then we've got NSX's, Supras, Skylines... But you also have to put things into some perspective here, we are also talking about a HUGE price difference in cars (Civic and Cobra/GT ). Ill even give the benefit of the doubt to say the supercharger was 3grand+intalling, the GT or Cobra is still a lot more expensive. I know money doesn't mean everything and alot of people are going to say "i saw this one do this and that one do that." Im not denying that they can be made fast. But i would have to say that if it is hard to believe a v6 mustang hanging with a gt, it's even harder to believe a civic hanging with it a GT. Again... i could be wrong, he could be right, im just basing my sceptisicm on something.

Price of the car means absolutely nothing. A 03 Cobra is about 10 grand cheaper than a base C5 vette, but it would beat it easily. On top of that, many people in here can name budget build ups that would be far less than half of the price of a Cobra(35,000), and build a car that would beat the Cobra in nearly every aspect of drivability. I don't want to be rude, but a lot of comments that you have made in this thread and in others don't really seem to be based on facts, but on your own personal opinion. Also, some of the "facts" that you have brought to different arguements have been wrong. There is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, and I understand that you are young, but please try to be more rational with some of the things that you say.

[Self]

Originally posted by inferno


Price of the car means absolutely nothing. A 03 Cobra is about 10 grand cheaper than a base C5 vette, but it would beat it easily. On top of that, many people in here can name budget build ups that would be far less than half of the price of a Cobra(35,000), and build a car that would beat the Cobra in nearly every aspect of drivability. I don't want to be rude, but a lot of comments that you have made in this thread and in others don't really seem to be based on facts, but on your own personal opinion. Also, some of the "facts" that you have brought to different arguements have been wrong. There is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, and I understand that you are young, but please try to be more rational with some of the things that you say.

Agreed wholeheartedly.
I'm also tired of everyone jumping on the bandwagon and trying to pick through the story and find every little possible way to make it untrue or something. Like he said, he didn't come on here to find out if people believe him or not. Granted, when someone posts something completely and obviously untrue(like a stock Civic HX smoking an IS300 in a highway race ) then of course, everyone is going to find ways to point to the contrary. But when the story is completely believable then who cares what you THINK happened? You weren't there, HE WAS. The fact that you post on a webboard means that you have to have a certain amount of faith in the other people who visit the site and post here. Because quite frankly there is no way in hell that you can disprove them. And trying to do so is just a waste of time and bandwith. I'm not saying to take every single thing you read here at face value. That would make the boards somewhat dull. I'm just saying that it's becoming extremely annoying when every single time someone posts a kill or a story where an import beats or keeps with a V8 domestic vehicle you have 25 people calling them liars and coming up with excuse after excuse as to why the import did as well as it did. If you have an opinion, state it, but remember that it's only that, an opinion. While what he is saying is FACT. HE KEPT UP WITH A MUSTANG COBRA.

[pontiactrac]

He said he'd hung with it, and with a better take off, would have taken it. That is a bit more than what you said. I realize that he was the only one there, and if he knows he won, than he can laugh at our skepticism, he shouldn't even care what we think anyway if he'd won. And Self, i respect your knowledge, but if you wanna say, "There is no replacement for displacement, not even a turbo." Well than you are somewhat saying the same thing i am... That you would need more than a supercharger to beat an the engine power of a cobra. So if you are tired of people getting on that bandwagon, maybe you should jump off and leave that quote behind. And also, im not trying to put anyone under a microscope, but why is the Civic HX vs. Lexus story supposed to be an obvious lie? But you accuse me of denying this story without being there, then why are u denying the Lexus story if YOU weren't there???

This post isn't offending anyone, these are just valid points

[carrrnuttt]

Originally posted by pontiactrac
He said he'd hung with it, and with a better take off, would have taken it. That is a bit more than what you said. I realize that he was the only one there, and if he knows he won, than he can laugh at our skepticism, he shouldn't even care what we think anyway if he'd won. And Self, i respect your knowledge, but if you wanna say, "There is no replacement for displacement, not even a turbo." Well than you are somewhat saying the same thing i am... That you would need more than a supercharger to beat an the engine power of a cobra. So if you are tired of people getting on that bandwagon, maybe you should jump off and leave that quote behind. And also, im not trying to put anyone under a microscope, but why is the Civic HX vs. Lexus story supposed to be an obvious lie? But you accuse me of denying this story without being there, then why are u denying the Lexus story if YOU weren't there???

This post isn't offending anyone, these are just valid points

Everybody repeat after me:
"ALL HAIL COBRA!"..."ALL HAIL!"..."THE WORD `COBRA' SHALLL BRING YOU DOWN TO YOUR KNEES AND MAKE YOU BEG...ALL OF YOU LOWLY CIVIC DRIVERS".

This reminds me of a time when me and a buddy with a Civic hatchback got challenged by a Yellow Cobra. We won by a hair. Guy's passenger yells at us asking how much my friend was spraying. He yells out "It's a stock Honda motor in there, buddy!"...which it was, technically, since it had never been opened up, and only had an intake. The knuckleheads almost ran us off the road trying to get us to pull over so he could check the engine, because he obviously didn't believe us.

This is the new millenium, guy. All things are possible nowadays. You have SUV's and mini-vans that'll outrun some of the vaunted "musclecars" of a couple decades ago. Why not an "economy car"?

Not trying to offend you but, SOHC Civics with the JRSC are capable of running mid 14's, which a Cobra with a mild take-off (c'mon, would YOU floor it if it were "just" a Civic trying to race you) is certainly going to do.

[Self]

Originally posted by pontiactrac
He said he'd hung with it, and with a better take off, would have taken it. That is a bit more than what you said. I realize that he was the only one there, and if he knows he won, than he can laugh at our skepticism, he shouldn't even care what we think anyway if he'd won. And Self, i respect your knowledge, but if you wanna say, "There is no replacement for displacement, not even a turbo." Well than you are somewhat saying the same thing i am... That you would need more than a supercharger to beat an the engine power of a cobra. So if you are tired of people getting on that bandwagon, maybe you should jump off and leave that quote behind. And also, im not trying to put anyone under a microscope, but why is the Civic HX vs. Lexus story supposed to be an obvious lie? But you accuse me of denying this story without being there, then why are u denying the Lexus story if YOU weren't there???

This post isn't offending anyone, these are just valid points

There is no replacement for displacement, no, NOT EVEN A TURBO OR SUPERCHARGER. That most certainly doesn't mean that a larger displacement vehicle can't lose to a smaller engine with forced induction. What the quote implies is that given a 1.8L engine, and a 5.7L engine, the V8 makes more power. Now turbo the smaller engine and we'll assume that they both now make the same amount of power or maybe the smaller engine even makes more...BUT THEN TURBO the larger engine and what happens? That 3.9L difference between the two comes right back up to haunt you. That's what that means. But if the smaller goes FI and the larger doesn't, the smaller has the potential to make quite a bit more power than the larger does in stock form.
The Civic HX story, isn't obviously untrue, that was a mistake on my part. There are obviously many reasons to SERIOUSLY DOUBT the story though. The first of which is the history of that member. There's another thread near the top of this forum that he's saying he won another VERY questionable race And you don't really need more than a supercharger to outrun a Cobra. Maybe to beat the engine power, but not to beat its times. Weight, that's a HUGE factor in the import vs domestic dispute. They(importers) insist on bringing it up over and over everytime a comparison between cars is mentioned.
And it's easy to say just laugh it off if you know what really happened, but that's only because you're not the person being called a liar by twenty people. I agree with you, he should just laugh it off, but I know damn well that if I post a kill story on here and 15 people are rushing to pick my story apart and call me a liar I would be extremely frustrated and upset. I think you would too. Anyone would, it's called pride, no one likes being doubted or called a liar