R35GTR-the suspense is over?

[VQuick]

Originally posted by DeViL
As much as people like it in America, why don't they sell it here? I would think there would be a market for it, unless they are forced to bring the price up to like 90,000. So many people drool over it, I must be missing a complication here.

For one thing, there may not have been enough people who could actually afford a new Skyline for Nissan to consider offering it here.

I know emissions was a factor. The R34 GT-R was discontinued because it wouldn't meet Japan's new emission standards, and theirs are not as strict than ours in the U.S. Same for the S15 Silvia.

Additionally, it may not have been worth Nissan's time to develop a lhd setup for the chassis. Allegedly, a lhd setup would interfere with the positioning of the turbos.

[Drkcloud]

Originally posted by VQuick
Allegedly, a lhd setup would interfere with the positioning of the turbos.

Actually there is a few R34's that have had the left hand drive conversion done, the idea that the turbo's would interfere was just a rumor. There were some photos on freshalloy.com's forum a while back of someone that had done it, if you do a search I'm sure you could come up with them. Also emissions aren’t that much of a factor, the conversions done to the RB26 by Motorex makes the GTR 100% smogable. People that own R34's converted by Motorex have to smog them every 2 years here in California just like everyone else. One could argue that means the RB26 could have been mass-produced to meet our tough smog requirements without missing out on any of the Hp figures or the tuneability. So technically if Nissan wanted to, we could have had the GTR's.

You have to remember they have never sold the skyline here, not bringing it over to America was more of a tradition then anything else. Plus if you remember the early 90's Japanese sports cars were dying. The 300z, Supra and 240sx's (aka Silvia) all got the chop because they weren’t selling well, I think that played the biggest factor in not giving it to us. If you were running Nissan and you just watched the Japanese sports car market die would you bring it over? There was just no reason to believe it would sell here.

At last though, we will get the new GTR so worry not. Good things are coming

[HellBent]

The assertion that the R34 never came stateside for smog reasons is ludicrous. The reason is Weak sales! Nissan hadn't crash tested, smog tested, or made a left hand drive model of this car early on, and were not going to do this late in the game on a car with dwindling appeal. (Sales figures were plumeting in Japan since the R34 was introduced. Probally due to the failing economy.)

Besides, for Nissan to make all these changes late in the R34 saga would have cost a fortune. How would they have avertised it here in the US? Like the NSX? "It costs a fortune folks and it's only got 275 Hp! Who will be the first person to plop down their $80,000?"

New R35 GT-R

As for the new R35 GT-R. I believe it's coming soon as a world car. It will esentially be the G35 coupe with all the goodies and some sheetmetal changes. I would not expect it for under $65,000. My guess would be closer to $80,000. There is not another AWD 440 HP car in the US for under $80,000.

It will have to price in at more than the Z06. As the Z06 is actually a realatively cheap car to build. The GT-R will be more complicated with it's AWD, twin turbos, and HICAS. Not to mention it will be imported from Japan. So import fees and tarriffs will put it higher than any domestic supercar. Just my 2 cents.

Damn is there gonna be a waiting list for this machine! Lucky bastards!

Al

[darkness]

Originally posted by Pick
Will all new skylines be twin turbo or what is the setup on that?

No No, The Skyline or Infiniti G35 for you yanks is non turbo.

The new GTR(no longer called a skyline) is the twin turbo model.

[flylwsi]

considering that the gentleman's agreement doesn't sit over here in the states...

they would be able to advertise the actual hp if they wanted... and everyone knows it would be higher than... cough... 280.

the agreement, from what i've heard, has been lifted. and it wasn't an hp limit... it was simply a statement that no company would list the hp over 280. we all know better in the real world...

smog is a big reason it never came. as well as the fact that it would have to be crash tested, etc. pricey.

it wouldn't be an 80k car over here either.

it's not an 80k car there. most of the "us" pricing is b/c of the testing and what not that is required to get it smog legal over here. and the motorex monopoly.

we are supposed to get a tt 400hp skyline gt-r though. everyone is supposed to, b/c, as stated, the "280 limit" has been dropped

[Gonthrax]

Originally posted by flylwsi

the agreement, from what i've heard, has been lifted. and it wasn't an hp limit... it was simply a statement that no company would list the hp over 280. we all know better in the real world...

Right O', I think the agreement was that the manufacturers wouldn't "advertise" their cars as having more then 280 hp. It's kind of funny when you think about it. All the competitive Japanese cars just "happen" to be advertised at almost exactialy 280 hp :hehehe: GTRs, Supras, 22Bs ect ect.

It's even funnier when you actually put these cars on a dyno

[SledgehammerVette]

While a rumor I think this is very true. A while back I read that the RB26DETT will be gone (due to money problems) and a VQ30DETT will go in it's place, that is being tuned by Cosworth while the suspension is being tuned by Lotus.

[Strider Negro]

I, like many of you, was jumping out of my chair and doing backflips when I heard that they will bring the GTR over to the US. Then I began to think, what will the pricing be? After reading many of the replies here on this thread it got to my attention that if Nissan price the car around $80,000 who the hell is going to buy it? That is WAAAAAYYYY above the income I have, it's supposed to be a sports car? What kind of crap is that? That price is more near the bentley or ferrari but a Nissan?
Don't get me wrong I love Nissan, I own a Maxima and love every aspect that is the company. But 80,000? No way, if I had that money I would be smart about it and buy myself an Infinit G35 or Nissan 350 Z and with like the 40 or 50 thousand left just pump it up with NOS and it will easily reach the 400 hp that the GTR has.

Let me repeat again so that no one misunderstands what I am saying and they begin to kick my ass.
All I am saying is that it's a little to pricey for the majority of the people in the middle class. You would have to be slightly rich or have stock in wall street in order to get that kind of cash.
I love Nissan, their engines and especially their cars. My family has had a number of their cars and they have never failed on us(the engine I mean), but I personally don't like the price of the car, even if it does have 400 hp.

[HellBent]

If the current R34 GT-R sold for close to $60k in Japan, then it is reasonable to believe that the new one will be slightly more expensive. The GT-R will be competeing for market share in a very small market! Nissan/Infiniti won't be able to sell very much volume, because it is a niche market car (read expensive and powerful) so that will also drive up the price. If it is evrything that it is rumored to be then there surely there won't be anything similar to it for under $80k. Only the Porsche Carrera 4 turbo will come close. This is certainly not a car aimed at the masses! Hell even the 400hp Mustang Cobra is up over $35,000 for a McPherson strutted, old style Ford platform.

[Whitebread]

What did the R34 GT-R V-SPEC II go for in Japan new off the lot, in US dollars?

[R33]

From what I know, a new R34 sells for about 5 million yen which is about USD 4Ok or thereabout. The news is, although the R35 has new engine etc, it wud be priced jsut about the same with the R34. So hopefully it is not gonna be that expensive in the US.

Right O', I think the agreement was that the manufacturers wouldn't "advertise" their cars as having more then 280 hp. It's kind of funny when you think about it. All the competitive Japanese cars just "happen" to be advertised at almost exactialy 280 hp GTRs, Supras, 22Bs ect ect.

It's even funnier when you actually put these cars on a dyno

Yeah Gonthz...tell me about it! It is even funnier around the Nur!

and a VQ30DETT will go in it's place, that is being tuned by Cosworth while the suspension is being tuned by Lotus

Ermmmmmmm........

[Whitebread]

R33, I say 10K US to the price of the R34 GT-R V-SPEC II and you have the price of the R35. NO way I could afford that car for a while, unless I saved up, starting now (I'm just about 16). Even then it would take a good 10 years maybe for me to work up that much cash money. O well, I can test drive.

[Neutrino]

Ok one thing to remember is that the decisions about any Nissan cars are made by a french guy from renault.They own nissan and got it out of banckrupcy. Also IMO i like the cars that they are pushing trough nissan. For one thing the french totally suported the introduction of the 350Z and the G35 and look at the response. Also it seems that they are pushing the new GTR(or skyline or whatever name doesn't mater). So even if the japanse never wanted to bring their skylines here they pretty much have no saying.So go renault for bringing it here.


BTW i say lets not call the G35 as skylines cuz that would cause confusion.


Also i expect the new R35 to be in the mid 40k $ in vette teritory instead of the 80k which is where exotics start.

[Drkcloud]

Originally posted by Neutrino
i expect the new R35 to be in the mid 40k $ in vette teritory instead of the 80k which is where exotics start.

I'm more or less with you, my guess is 50k'ish. I deffinatly don't think it's going to be an 80k car.

[R33]

Ok one thing to remember is that the decisions about any Nissan cars are made by a french guy from renault

Yeah...the name is Carlos Ghosn, who wants the GTR to be a worldwide car.

I'm more or less with you, my guess is 50k'ish

I think so too.