BMWs are BETTER

[crayzayjay]

Originally posted by AstonMartin
Yes thats completely true! Merc are for the over 50 club who can live with the shody workmanship and niggling problems that are Merc traits!

However, BMW are for the low life! Scum and all that is bad in the world!

Take the BMW 3 series, what a boring over priced sales reps car! I really find it hard to put it in the executive car market because its used by people erning around 15K per year sales reps or even telesales persons! The Audi A4 is more of a executive car as it's drivers are more suited to that status (As a hole). Everytime a person cuts you up or you see someone being a really stupid prat, the person seems always to be in a BMW!

So to your question, yes BMW is better than merc and that goes without saying, but I would not shout about owning a BMW though (the shame would eat me alive, unless it was an X5)

Aston Man
:sun:

I dont want to see another stupid, unreasoned post such as the one above. This guy stereotypes and criticises the mentalities of BMW drivers when his ability to spell is somewhat lacking. FYI, Aston man, it's "as a whole", and not "as a hole". They mean entirely different things. By your reasoning i would have to come to the conclusion that Aston drivers are uneducated.

A little more reasoning from now on. Thanks

[kaoru-tochiro]

Mercedes Benzes are the best engineered cars. Even the screws that hold the license plates are precision machine screws, not wood thread screws like most other cars. Now, imagine the craftsmanship that is implemented on the rest of the Benz.
I've worked on these machines and I've driven them.
You realize which cars are crap and which cars are great if you've worked on them. Although I am impressed with the craftsmanship and ride, I feel like i'm not mature enough to own one.


PS: I love the "alumminum immitation" plastic steering wheel of the new Aston Martin Vanquish, that must be Fords inspiration?

[Self]

Haven't had the pleasure of driving too many BMWs. Driven my friend Joel's Z3...A 323 I think it was? And an M3 for a short time. All nice cars for sure, just not really as good of an experience as when I have driven Mercedes. My parents own two of them, a CLK320(one in my sig), and an S55AMG, and both of those cars are a wonder to drive(especially the AMG). As it is I've had much more experience with the Mercedes and just prefer them much more than any BMW I've driven or seen. But I love the looks of the M3, one of the nicest looking cars out there if you ask me. Again though, the way I feel about it is, BMW is the poor man's Mercedes

[crayzayjay]

Oh come on... BMW is far from the poor man's Mercedes.

Merc has the upper edge on prestige but cant claim to make better cars. In fact they have some cars which shamelessly wear the Merc logo whilst in reality, they dont deserve it, or at least the price tag that comes with it. The V-class is a cheap POS van and the price MB charges for it is outrageous, a downright crime. I pity the fools who buy that "car". And dont get me started on the Vaneo. The C-Class is a very good car but doesnt match the 3-series all-round, and is way overpriced. This might be acceptable if the interior was a good, old-fashioned bomb-proof Merc interior, but its not. Far from it. Ditto for the E-Class. The about to be replaced 5-series was executive car of the year 6 years in a row and was deemed by most road tests to be a better drive than even the new E when it came out, which again is more expensive and I felt it had a cheap feeling interior. We own the previous generation E and the interior is several notches ahead of the new one, no joke. CLK's are nice but dont handle like they ought to. The lower end of the engine range is also ridiculous. My neighbour has a CLK 200 and i swear my 1.6 Golf is the faster (and better sounding!!) car. Thats simply not acceptable. The M-class isnt a patch on the X5. The Sport Coupe, or whatever its called, is an expensive, under-engineered joke. This is from first-hand experience. In fact the only two Mercedes Benz cars that beat their BMW equivalents are the S-Class (though again, not as dynamically accomplished), and the SL, which is the only Merc that is truly dynamically superior to its BMW rival, the Z8. As for AMG vs BMW's M division, that really is a one-sided argument. Only one of those specialists makes sports cars, and it sure aint AMG. Dont get me wrong, Merc make some great cars, otherwise we wouldnt own one, but they're getting complacent and cant claim to make cars that drive better than their Bavarian rivals. The simple fact is BM make great sports saloons and Merc make great cruisers. And its sad some of the shit that comes with owning a BMW when the reality is many people buy an Audi just not to own a BMW. Now that's sad. The simple truth is - and this is from my father's friend who works in the motor industry - that people go to BMW dealerships and say "i dont care which model, just put me in a BMW".... now go ahead and tell me that this reaction doesnt come down to BMW making great cars. I dare ya

[Self]

Originally posted by crayzayjay
Oh come on... BMW is far from the poor man's Mercedes.

Merc has the upper edge on prestige but cant claim to make better cars. In fact they have some cars which shamelessly wear the Merc logo whilst in reality, they dont deserve it, or at least the price tag that comes with it. The V-class is a cheap POS van and the price MB charges for it is outrageous, a downright crime. I pity the fools who buy that "car". And dont get me started on the Vaneo. The C-Class is a very good car but doesnt match the 3-series all-round, and is way overpriced. This might be acceptable if the interior was a good, old-fashioned bomb-proof Merc interior, but its not. Far from it. Ditto for the E-Class. The about to be replaced 5-series was executive car of the year 6 years in a row and was deemed by most road tests to be a better drive than even the new E when it came out, which again is more expensive and I felt it had a cheap feeling interior. We own the previous generation E and the interior is several notches ahead of the new one, no joke. CLK's are nice but dont handle like they ought to. The lower end of the engine range is also ridiculous. My neighbour has a CLK 200 and i swear my 1.6 Golf is the faster (and better sounding!!) car. Thats simply not acceptable. The M-class isnt a patch on the X5. The Sport Coupe, or whatever its called, is an expensive, under-engineered joke. This is from first-hand experience. In fact the only two Mercedes Benz cars that beat their BMW equivalents are the S-Class (though again, not as dynamically accomplished), and the SL, which is the only Merc that is truly dynamically superior to its BMW rival, the Z8. As for AMG vs BMW's M division, that really is a one-sided argument. Only one of those specialists makes sports cars, and it sure aint AMG. Dont get me wrong, Merc make some great cars, otherwise we wouldnt own one, but they're getting complacent and cant claim to make cars that drive better than their Bavarian rivals. The simple fact is BM make great sports saloons and Merc make great cruisers. And its sad some of the shit that comes with owning a BMW when the reality is many people buy an Audi just not to own a BMW. Now that's sad. The simple truth is - and this is from my father's friend who works in the motor industry - that people go to BMW dealerships and say "i dont care which model, just put me in a BMW".... now go ahead and tell me that this reaction doesnt come down to BMW making great cars. I dare ya

Don't really disagree with too much there, about the vehicle comparisons, as I don't really know. Don't know about the handling of the CLK, as I'm not "allowed" to put the car through its paces, hehe. And definitely don't know how the S55AMG goes around things either. But the CL55AMG isn't a sports car? And the SL55AMG isn't a sports car? And the SLK32AMG isn't a sports car? I think that AMG makes sports cars just as well as BMWs M Division. And even if you somehow don't consider them sports cars, how does that make the argument about which is better one-sided? They don't have to make sports cars, that's not what AMG necessarily means. Some people, like myself, wouldn't even really want a Mercedes sports car, I leave that to my Z28 As for the Audi thing...That's ludicrious. I know exactly what you're talking about and I think it's outrageous. BMW is far superior to Audi in my opinion. I just don't think it's so with Mercedes. I understand very clearly what status and prestige are. A lot of people don't. And they don't understand that those two items are very, VERY expensive. I don't think that the vehicles are overpriced considering the S&P(nice abbreviation huh) that comes along with them. Like you said about people buying Audi's just so they don't have to be in a BMW, you don't have to deal with that when you're talking about a Mercedes Benz. And that costs a lot of money.

[crayzayjay]

The fact that i dont consider AMG's sports cars doesnt mean the argument is one-sided. It just means that Merc loses out on which cars handle/drive better.

This guy i know - i wont call him a friend, he's somewhat of an a-hole - has an AMG SLK and it really doesnt handle the way it should - flops all over the place, a Z3M would leave it for dead - no comparo. Whilst ive never had the pleasure of driving an E55AMG, my cousin has (previous gen), and he came back with the conclusion that it was a fast car that was nothing special around the turns, if anything it was quite disappointing and dangerously uncommunicative when pushed hard. He went on to buy an M5, which he is still thrilled with several years after first buying it. AMG and M make cars for different people. You cant get an M5 with an automatic gearbox. That should tell you something. AMG's are fast saloons, but theyre not intended to make your hair stand on end, that simply wouldnt appeal to the traditional Merc customer.

Again, it comes down to two companies with two slightly different focuses... or should that be focii

[ImPoRtHaTer]

BMWs Blow Out The Ass....You Say THe The Best In Speed....Lets See Theres A Dodge Viper That Raced A JET And Lost By .1 Of A Second And It Lost Bc The Jet Went Of The Ground At The Very End Or Else It Possibly Could Have Won..And Its Funny How You Would Think A BMW Could Do That...They Stand No Chance Against American Muscle. DONT BE A FOOL PAL. And I'm Sure If Some One Wanted To Try and Look For A Car That Can Beat It In In Handling And Stuff They Could Find One

[Jimster]

Originally posted by ImPoRtHaTer
BMWs Blow Out The Ass....You Say THe The Best In Speed....Lets See Theres A Dodge Viper That Raced A JET And Lost By .1 Of A Second And It Lost Bc The Jet Went Of The Ground At The Very End Or Else It Possibly Could Have Won..And Its Funny How You Would Think A BMW Could Do That...They Stand No Chance Against American Muscle. DONT BE A FOOL PAL. And I'm Sure If Some One Wanted To Try and Look For A Car That Can Beat It In In Handling And Stuff They Could Find One

Wow this is smart y'all don't yee have a NASCAR race or a rodeo to attend hick-boy????


I never said that BMW's were the best in speed- we said they were better than Mercedes Benz cars in speed- Of course a Viper can go faster than an M3 I mean and 8.0 litre V10 versus a 3.2 I6- geez not hard- BUT the M3 manages a quarter mile only 1 second slower than a Viper- a car with more than twice the engine size!

As for handling- I can't name a stock American sports car that can out handle an M5- yet alone a luxury saloon

[Menu dei Motori]

Originally posted by ImPoRtHaTer
BMWs Blow Out The Ass....You Say THe The Best In Speed....Lets See Theres A Dodge Viper That Raced A JET And Lost By .1 Of A Second And It Lost Bc The Jet Went Of The Ground At The Very End Or Else It Possibly Could Have Won..And Its Funny How You Would Think A BMW Could Do That...They Stand No Chance Against American Muscle. DONT BE A FOOL PAL. And I'm Sure If Some One Wanted To Try and Look For A Car That Can Beat It In In Handling And Stuff They Could Find One

you´re still at AF?

[TexasF355F1]

Originally posted by ImPoRtHaTer
BMWs Blow Out The Ass....You Say THe The Best In Speed....Lets See Theres A Dodge Viper That Raced A JET And Lost By .1 Of A Second And It Lost Bc The Jet Went Of The Ground At The Very End Or Else It Possibly Could Have Won..And Its Funny How You Would Think A BMW Could Do That...They Stand No Chance Against American Muscle. DONT BE A FOOL PAL. And I'm Sure If Some One Wanted To Try and Look For A Car That Can Beat It In In Handling And Stuff They Could Find One

You do realize that that Viper was not stock right? American cars suck. Yes I drive a Chevy and I love my truck but it still sucks. The quality is horrible, so much shit sounds loose. I hear it in my friends Fords, Dodges, etc. Even though i'll own another chevy in the future, it will be after I buy my 330ci in 2 years. American cars suck, they quality sucks, the engineering sucks.

[AC_A340-500]

I like both BMW and Mercedes-Benz, but for what it's worth: over here in Germany, the resale value of Mercedes cars between 3 and 15 years of age is significantly higher than those of comparable BMW models. I'm not sure why, but it probably has something to do with the more "timeless" designs of the Benz models. Again, I have no probelms with BMWs.

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by TexasF355F1

You do realize that that Viper was not stock right? American cars suck. Yes I drive a Chevy and I love my truck but it still sucks. The quality is horrible, so much shit sounds loose. I hear it in my friends Fords, Dodges, etc. Even though i'll own another chevy in the future, it will be after I buy my 330ci in 2 years. American cars suck, they quality sucks, the engineering sucks.

ok so american cars suck

that means mercedes, mazda, subaru, mitsubishi, jaguar, saab, volvo etc.....suk too since they are owned or affiliated with american cars manufacturers.....

also all the cossie WRC cars suck, F1 jaguar teams sucks, former F1 benetton ford, lemans cr5 and gts-r all those cars suck majorly since they are owned by american manufacturers.....yes you must be right......all those races when they won were probably fixed.....since stupid american engineers suck

[Jimster]

Originally posted by Neutrino



ok so american cars suck

that means mercedes, mazda, subaru, mitsubishi, jaguar, saab, volvo etc.....suk too since they are owned or affiliated with american cars manufacturers.....

also all the cossie WRC cars suck, F1 jaguar teams sucks, former F1 benetton ford, lemans cr5 and gts-r all those cars suck majorly since they are owned by american manufacturers.....yes you must be right......all those races when they won were probably fixed.....since stupid american engineers suck

Well the Jaguar F1 team does sort of suck...............

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by Jimster


Well the Jaguar F1 team does sort of suck...............

yeah they are not the best right now......but a few years ago bennetton ford was doing awesome....heck they discovered Schumacher too.....


and they are probably not doing their best because they are too intimidated by Ferrari.....cuz Ferrari o3nz J00 alll

[SilverDC5Terp]

Well, here's my opinion on the matter...BMW and MB both make very high quality cars. MB is a car for the more status-oriented person, as their cars have a higher prestige value than Bimmers. However, BMW is more of a pure drivers car than MB, evidenced by their better handling and sportier feel. MB needs to have a 3rd pedal on their cars for me to take them seriously as a performance car company, but their stubborn affection with slushboxes causes me to not even consider their cars if I wanted a performance car.

If I want to ride in luxury and style...MB
If I want a blend of performance/luxury with a sporty feel...BMW

Side note...anyone seen anything about the new M5? 500+hp N/A...what a beast!